jlabsher
Sorry about that chief.
Have been to France several times, on my Uncle's tab. Didn't like it as I said before, people were arrogant. The point of the post was that France's main gripe seems to be with W, not the US. They loved Clinton, probably because of his use of "French" ideas in the Whitehouse.
I remember being there when Reagan was reelected and being asked how I liked our "cowboy American president" in a crowded public place. All eyes turned to me and I said "je suis un bete Americain." (I'm just a stupid American) They all stopped chorteling and moved away.
So, no love lost between me and them, but they have their opinions and so do we. Just stirring the pot a bit...
I remember being there when Reagan was reelected and being asked how I liked our "cowboy American president" in a crowded public place. All eyes turned to me and I said "je suis un bete Americain." (I'm just a stupid American) They all stopped chorteling and moved away.
So, no love lost between me and them, but they have their opinions and so do we. Just stirring the pot a bit...
Penn
Dancing Up A Storm
I have no disagreement with what you say, but let me theorize a little here:
France wants to delay conflict with Iraq indefinitely; they're actually in favor of using the UN Inspectors as a containment force, sort of like "peace keepers". Why?
Because, as it's been reported in all the major news centers, btw,
that France has somewhere between 50 and 60 Billion Dollars invested in Iraqi oil. Serious moola here!
Because they are deathly afraid if we and other coalitition allies invade and take over Bagdhad, it will become evident just how much they have supplied Iraq with Chemical and Nuclear technology. Documents with French fingerprints all over them, as I've mentioned in another thread. Very embarrassing in the worlds' eye if they were ever to be exposed.
Have they got a reason or two for taking the stance they're on?
Um, yeah, I would say so.
Just as many of our news outlets - TV news/newspapers - here in the US are influenced by politics, do you not think the French administration would try to sway public opinion at home to reflect their view?
penn
Goodbye "frog" hello "worm"
PARIS (Reuters) - The Sun has opened a new front in a war of words with France over Iraq by attacking Jacques Chirac on his own turf in an edition handed out free in Paris that depicted the president as a giant worm.
"Chirac Est Un Ver" (Chirac Is A Worm) blared the paper's special front-page headline in French above a photomontage of an earthworm bearing his head and crawling out of a map of France.
"We think your president, Jacques Chirac, is a disgrace to Europe by constantly threatening to veto military action to enforce the will of the United Nations in Iraq," the Sun said on the front page of the Paris version, written in French.
Chirac is resisting U.S. and British pressure for a war on Baghdad, irritating U.S. President George W. Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair but winning strong support from the overwhelming majority of his own electorate in France.
A government minister called the Sun's tone contemptuous, aggressive and vulgar. Another said he was more sad than angry.
Many French broadcasters adopted a tone of bemused familiarity with the "frog-bashing" antics of the British press. One called it a cheap publicity stunt, noting that the special edition was not actually for sale in the French capital.
Echoing a line used last week by U.S. tabloid the New York Post, also owned by media tycoon Rupert Murdoch, the Sun recalled the sacrifices British and American soldiers made for France in two world wars. The Post made waves in France with a front-page photograph of American war graves in Normandy.
"British people feel Mr Chirac...is arrogantly strutting about trying to make France seem more important in the world than it really is. Are you not ashamed of your president?" the Sun asked, calling Chirac a hypocrite because in the end, it speculated, he would back down and support military action.
"When Saddam Hussein has gone, people in Britain and the rest of Europe will look at France and ask themselves whether France is much of an ally any more. People will ask themselves why anyone should bother with what France and its leader say."
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And why bother to help them anymore, either. Like the saying goes, with friends like these, who needs enemies?
PARIS (Reuters) - The Sun has opened a new front in a war of words with France over Iraq by attacking Jacques Chirac on his own turf in an edition handed out free in Paris that depicted the president as a giant worm.
"Chirac Est Un Ver" (Chirac Is A Worm) blared the paper's special front-page headline in French above a photomontage of an earthworm bearing his head and crawling out of a map of France.
"We think your president, Jacques Chirac, is a disgrace to Europe by constantly threatening to veto military action to enforce the will of the United Nations in Iraq," the Sun said on the front page of the Paris version, written in French.
Chirac is resisting U.S. and British pressure for a war on Baghdad, irritating U.S. President George W. Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair but winning strong support from the overwhelming majority of his own electorate in France.
A government minister called the Sun's tone contemptuous, aggressive and vulgar. Another said he was more sad than angry.
Many French broadcasters adopted a tone of bemused familiarity with the "frog-bashing" antics of the British press. One called it a cheap publicity stunt, noting that the special edition was not actually for sale in the French capital.
Echoing a line used last week by U.S. tabloid the New York Post, also owned by media tycoon Rupert Murdoch, the Sun recalled the sacrifices British and American soldiers made for France in two world wars. The Post made waves in France with a front-page photograph of American war graves in Normandy.
"British people feel Mr Chirac...is arrogantly strutting about trying to make France seem more important in the world than it really is. Are you not ashamed of your president?" the Sun asked, calling Chirac a hypocrite because in the end, it speculated, he would back down and support military action.
"When Saddam Hussein has gone, people in Britain and the rest of Europe will look at France and ask themselves whether France is much of an ally any more. People will ask themselves why anyone should bother with what France and its leader say."
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And why bother to help them anymore, either. Like the saying goes, with friends like these, who needs enemies?
No you're not
That was a legitimate question, not a shot at you. Do you really think Bush is lying about the threat Iraq poses? And do you believe Saddam when he says they don't have nukes and chemicals?
Penn
Dancing Up A Storm
Re: Re: Re: Re: Items that nobody uses anyway?
Yes we do make ourselves reliant on fossil fuels. The big oil companies like it that way, and we as consumers apparently do not have a big enough voice in congress to effect some changes in energy use.
Research needs to done in alternate fuels technologies. There is a study underway for using hydrogen as a fuel for automotive vehicles, but for some reason, it doesn't get the attention or backing it should.
I don't guess any of us wouldn't say we need to get away from the exclusive use of gasoline for fuel.
penn
If you are talking about the "explosion" in the consumption of oil petroleum products, yes, the gasoline engine probably is responsible for the greatest bulk of it. If you are refering to another issue, I'm not sure what you are getting at.
Yes we do make ourselves reliant on fossil fuels. The big oil companies like it that way, and we as consumers apparently do not have a big enough voice in congress to effect some changes in energy use.
Research needs to done in alternate fuels technologies. There is a study underway for using hydrogen as a fuel for automotive vehicles, but for some reason, it doesn't get the attention or backing it should.
I don't guess any of us wouldn't say we need to get away from the exclusive use of gasoline for fuel.
penn
Frank
Chairman of the Board
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Items that nobody uses anyway?
I don't see how hydrogen could be used to permanently replace oil or gasoline. It has to be *created* - it's not as though we just pump it out of the ground, like we do with oil. We have to expend energy to create the hydrogen. What means do we use to do that? Electricity? Most of the electricity in the US is made burning fossil fuels.
I don't see how hydrogen could be used to permanently replace oil or gasoline. It has to be *created* - it's not as though we just pump it out of the ground, like we do with oil. We have to expend energy to create the hydrogen. What means do we use to do that? Electricity? Most of the electricity in the US is made burning fossil fuels.
