Looking for Boxer breeder in area

[nomoney]

Nope. Just cause you are stupid and lazy I guess. It's all your fault.



So I guess I can't be entitled to my opinions, and must suffer people like you putting words in my mouth. So be it. What part of "I think" and "IMHO" did you not get?

I didn't put words in your mouth? I simply said I'm glad that mine are toned down.

I mean could you imagine how much money it would cost me to have Oscar de la Hoya come to my house to train my Boxer if he was a working one? And all the bull carcases I'd have to dispose of if my bulldog was the real deal? Man.

So pull your panty liners out of your hole and quit being so moody. Geesh

 

[TurboK9]

I do not provide blood for my bloodhound nor do I let my sheep dogs herd sheep. I am such a lazy pet owner!

You probably wouldn't even feed a Chesepeake Bay Retreiver the Chesepeake Bay!! You are so cruel!


Of course, in hindsight, I'd then have nowhere to put my boat.....

 

[PrepH4U]

You probably wouldn't even feed a Chesepeake Bay Retreiver the Chesepeake Bay!! You are so cruel!


Of course, in hindsight, I'd then have nowhere to put my boat.....

Yep do you know how many yellow spots would be in the yard?

 

[TurboK9]

I didn't put words in your mouth? I simply said I'm glad that mine are toned down.

I mean could you imagine how much money it would cost me to have Oscar de la Hoya come to my house to train my Boxer if he was a working one? And all the bull carcases I'd have to dispose of if my bulldog was the real deal? Man.

So pull your panty liners out of your hole and quit being so moody. Geesh

Oh so your sarcastic "stupid and lazy" comment was put there in pure innocence? It wasn't meant to be inflammatory? Nice job trying to use humor to cover your caustic comment above. Not.


Methinks I am not the one with my panties in a bunch.

 

[nomoney]

Oh so your sarcastic "stupid and lazy" comment was put there in pure innocence? It wasn't meant to be inflammatory? Nice job trying to use humor to cover your caustic comment above. Not.


Methinks I am not the one with my panties in a bunch.

note to self: Don't be sarcastic to TurboK9....he's a cry baby.

 

[TurboK9]

They don't need a movie for that to happen. Boxers are extremely popular and the breed has suffered greatly because of irresponsible breeding. They have numerous health issues, notably cardiomyopathy and subaortic stenoisis, and are very prone to cancer.

Last I knew SS was actually more common in the Euro stock. Has that changed? And what IS the deal with cardomyopathy anyway? It seems dang near every breed has a high incidence.... Has it skyrocketed like it did for the Dobe? (that and VwB)

It's been several years since I've really spent any time w/ Boxer breeders. I know a lot can change quick... especially as you say the popularity is up.

Sad to hear that.

 

[TurboK9]

note to self: Don't be sarcastic to TurboK9....he's a cry baby.

Have a nice day!!

 

[nomoney]

Have a nice day!!

You as well!!

 

[TurboK9]

Yep do you know how many yellow spots would be in the yard?

If it's all yellow, is it still a spot?



One.

 

[happyappygirl]

Even though I personally have shown Rotts for many years in both the European and American rings, in my experience, showing the breeding stock is not important to most people in the market.

I've always said our breed NEEDS more caring knowledgable breeders who "first do no harm" and health clear parents with the express intent of providing healthy, well socialized, family friendly PET puppies. That is a huge market. Puppy mills flourish and rescues are filled with genetic disasters because there simply aren't enough caring people breeding specifically for healthy pets. My answering machine holds at least 2 calls every day from people looking for a healthy pet with a great temperament, not show or working dogs.

Someone mentioned there is no such thing as "German vs American". I agree...to a point. A Rott is a Rott or a boxer is a boxer. The true difference is born in Germany or born in America, and correct by breed standard or not. Breed standard = "German" type to most people which is an incorrect assumption, at least in my breed.

Most German bred dogs are working dogs, and as such may not be "beautiful" by conformation standards because those breeders focus on working temperament, and don't care if the dog has a good head, correct coat, color or bone strength. Germany has tried to offset that trend and bring the dogs back to the breed standard by linking conformation titles to working titles. Health clearances have always been required in Europe for working titles and breeding.

A dog can't reach the highest conformation title (Seiger or Seigren) without a working title (Sch B which is the obedience portion of the working title) in addition to the hip clearance.

This is why we are we are looking at various European males for our 2010 litter and have purchased all european young stock to add to our existing lines which have combined european/american pedigrees.

Sorry so long, just another bit in info which might help someone make a decision.

 

[TurboK9]

Even though I personally have shown Rotts for many years in both the European and American rings, in my experience, showing the breeding stock is not important to most people in the market.

I've always said our breed NEEDS more caring knowledgable breeders who "first do no harm" and health clear parents with the express intent of providing healthy, well socialized, family friendly PET puppies. That is a huge market. Puppy mills flourish and rescues are filled with genetic disasters because there simply aren't enough caring people breeding specifically for healthy pets. My answering machine holds at least 2 calls every day from people looking for a healthy pet with a great temperament, not show or working dogs.

Someone mentioned there is no such thing as "German vs American". I agree...to a point. A Rott is a Rott or a boxer is a boxer. The true difference is born in Germany or born in America, and correct by breed standard or not. Breed standard = "German" type to most people which is an incorrect assumption, at least in my breed.

Most German bred dogs are working dogs, and as such may not be "beautiful" by conformation standards because those breeders focus on working temperament, and don't care if the dog has a good head, correct coat, color or bone strength. Germany has tried to offset that trend and bring the dogs back to the breed standard by linking conformation titles to working titles. Health clearances have always been required in Europe for working titles and breeding.

A dog can't reach the highest conformation title (Seiger or Seigren) without a working title (Sch B which is the obedience portion of the working title) in addition to the hip clearance.

This is why we are we are looking at various European males for our 2010 litter and have purchased all european young stock to add to our existing lines which have combined european/american pedigrees.

Sorry so long, just another bit in info which might help someone make a decision.

I may not agree with the definition of 'beauty' that a show breeder hangs onto, to me the beauty in a dog lies in performance and personality, but I do appreciate the Euro FCI's effort to incorporate work and conformation. People have this idea that working dogs w/ working temperament make bad pets... au contraire mon frair or whatever.. LOL... Not so. Yes, they demand more activity and training typically, but otherwise do awesome with the family.

On the opposite end, another school pushes the erroneous idea that 'show dogs' are incapable of work and far less healthy. Not true either. Working breeders TENDs to put out SLIGHTLY more healthy lines, with some exceptions (GSD's are NOT supposed to look like they are going uphill / thus extreme hip issues the last couple decades) It isn't major to a layperson or casual owners eyes, same with differences in appearance. Heck I have people out there that think Dobermanns are black APBT's or Rottweillers, seriously. WTF?

Anyway, I think it's AWESOME you are considering this. I think it is great that the UKC and even the AKC are considering (and considering and considering but not yet deciding LOL) implementing similar for ceratin breeds, or at least encouraging such...

It can't hurt, and can DEFINITELY help, and may just have the effect of weeding out those that don't want to put effort into their breeding programs, in which case, they need to go anyway.

You are awesome!

 

[cattitude]

That is a huge market. Puppy mills flourish and rescues are filled with genetic disasters because there simply aren't enough caring people breeding specifically for healthy pets.

And people keep buying from them.

 

[PrepH4U]

And people keep buying from them.

I can't believe that people around here even buy from the local puppy mills.

 

[ICit]

I can't believe that people around here even buy from the local puppy mills.

I hear ya... but I see the pups they produce... every weekend... :sigh:

I also see people talk about breeding their dogs because ...ooohhhh its a pure "bread" (LOL) Lab.... and I want her to have a litter of pups .... before I get her SPAYED ... yep... (as the pup already looks like a hot mess!!)

god I hate people!!!

 

[nomoney]

god I hate people!!!

Thats a little extreme don't ya think? I mean animals are our friends and all that jazz but they sure as hell won't drive you to the airport or help you move. I'm just sayin'.

 

[Christy]

I love these threads, they never disappoint.

 

[PrepH4U]

I hear ya... but I see the pups they produce... every weekend... :sigh:

I also see people talk about breeding their dogs because ...ooohhhh its a pure "bread" (LOL) Lab.... and I want her to have a litter of pups .... before I get her SPAYED ... yep... (as the pup already looks like a hot mess!!)

god I hate people!!!

Years ago I was going to breed my two OES because I could not find any local, but, my male exhibited some personality traits that I did not want passed on. I could not be sure if it was a non bonding/socializing issue or something genetic. I almost became a backyard breeder :whew: So snip snip and he is now a proud non-producer!

 

[TurboK9]

Thats a little extreme don't ya think? I mean animals are our friends and all that jazz but they sure as hell won't drive you to the airport or help you move. I'm just sayin'.

Right. And they also do a lot less intentionally stupid stuff. At least with animals you can honestly say "they didn't know any better". With people, you just sort of have to suck up their raw stupidity and selfishness.

PEOPLE!!! RUN!!!

 

[cattitude]

I love these threads, they never disappoint.

How so? How is this one of the "nutty" threads?

 

[ICit]

Thats a little extreme don't ya think? I mean animals are our friends and all that jazz but they sure as hell won't drive you to the airport or help you move. I'm just sayin'.

Really?.... there is a good chance "the" people Im talking about... dont even know where the airport is... and there was a road out of the county :shrug:


Plus… you took that way serious