Mall shooting in Nebraska

[AK-74me]

I heard it took six minutes for the police response to arrive.

Me too, which is a pretty quick response IMHO. The one reporter on CNN said 6 minutes like it was a long time and couldn't understand why police couldn't do more to stop this. Typical sheep. The only way there could of been a faster response would to be if a cop just happen to be at the mall but it still takes some time to get the info. respond and then end it. OR if a CCW holder was near by and could of taken him out while he was trying to engage others.

 

[vegmom]

Nebraska is far from being a liberal state, so I doubt the mall was devoid of any gun owners. There just wasn't anyone who was actually carrying who had a good shot at this guy.

My question- did the mother and stepdad notice the gun missing, how long was it gone, and did they report it to the police?

 

[AK-74me]

Nebraska is far from being a liberal state, so I doubt the mall was devoid of any gun owners. There just wasn't anyone who was actually carrying who had a good shot at this guy.

My question- did the mother and stepdad notice the gun missing, how long was it gone, and did they report it to the police?

"Gun free zone"

Been a shall issue state for less than a year, I bet noone in the whole place had a gun except maybe an off-duty LEO.

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

I heard it took six minutes for the police response to arrive.

6 minutes is a long time, anywhere.

I mean, the closest cop would've been like 2 minutes away. I've seen cops be in the middle of writing someone a ticket and have to let them off on a warning because they got an emergency call and had to go RIGHT NOW.

That just seems like a long time to me. Waldorf and Charles Countyt Police would've had the situation contained in 6 minutes.

But I don't know about Omaha.

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

"Gun free zone"

Been a shall issue state for less than a year, I bet noone in the whole place had a gun except maybe an off-duty LEO.

Look at Virginia Tech.

I heard on the news that not even campus police had guns at VT.

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

Me too, which is a pretty quick response IMHO. The one reporter on CNN said 6 minutes like it was a long time and couldn't understand why police couldn't do more to stop this. Typical sheep. The only way there could of been a faster response would to be if a cop just happen to be at the mall but it still takes some time to get the info. respond and then end it. OR if a CCW holder was near by and could of taken him out while he was trying to engage others.

You're right. I'm sorry.

6 minutes. The only way the response could've been faster is if somebody called 911 sooner or if someone would've noticed the rifle BEFORE the massacre.

Disregard post 44. I didn't think about AK74's points.

 

[vegmom]

"Gun free zone"

Been a shall issue state for less than a year, I bet noone in the whole place had a gun except maybe an off-duty LEO.

Explain "shall issue state" to the non-gun owner here.

I'm still wondering if the stepdad reported or even noticed the gun missing.

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

Explain "shall issue state" to the non-gun owner here.

I'm still wondering if the stepdad reported or even noticed the gun missing.

I wouldn't have noticed it missing. I mean, does he go through his gun collectino everyday?

And if he would've reported it, they'd look for a reason to go after him (at least Maryland would). So, he would've gone to jail and this massacre would've still happened.

 

[AK-74me]

Explain "shall issue state" to the non-gun owner here.

I'm still wondering if the stepdad reported or even noticed the gun missing.

Shall issue means that as long as you are not a felon or have a history of mental illness you can get a concealed carry permit, some states require a firearms course to go with this, some don't.

Maryland for example is not a shall issue state which makes it virtually impossible to get a gun permit, unless you are connected politically or have like 3 documented threats on your life or carry large sums of money back and forth for business reasons. Then it is still not a gaurntee, the State Police still have the final say on whether or not you have the right to defend yourself.

Nebraska has been "shall issue" since 1/1/2007

As far as I know this is pretty accurate.Shall-issue - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[vegmom]

I wouldn't have noticed it missing. I mean, does he go through his gun collectino everyday?

And if he would've reported it, they'd look for a reason to go after him (at least Maryland would). So, he would've gone to jail and this massacre would've still happened.

Would depend on how many guns he had and where they were kept. If I had hunting rifles and a mentally off-kilter stepson I'd keep close tabs on my guns, but that's just me.

Why would you think he'd be put in jail if he reported the gun missing? I had a boyfriend back in the day who had a semi-auto handgun stolen and he reported it to the MSP in case it was used in a crime. No probs other than multiple phone calls.

 

[vegmom]

Shall issue means that as long as you are not a felon or have a history of mental illness you can get a concealed carry permit, some states require a firearms course to go with this, some don't.

Maryland for example is not a shall issue state which makes it virtually impossible to get a gun permit, unless you are connected politically or have like 3 documented threats on your life or carry large sums of money back and forth for business reasons. Then it is still not a gaurntee, the State Police still have the final say on whether or not you have the right to defend yourself.

Nebraska has been "shall issue" since 1/1/2007

As far as I know this is pretty accurate.Shall-issue - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That's what I thought it meant. Even if the mall was a "gun free zone" I find it hard to believe that not a single person with a concealed carry permit had their gun with them anyway. Really- what trouble would they have gotten in is no one saw it? Maybe they felt no reason to carry in that particular (relativly safe) area?

I have friends and relatives from NE and KS and like I said, it's as far from being liberal as you can get.

 

[AK-74me]

That's what I thought it meant. Even if the mall was a "gun free zone" I find it hard to believe that not a single person with a concealed carry permit had their gun with them anyway. Really- what trouble would they have gotten in is no one saw it? Maybe they felt no reason to carry in that particular (relativly safe) area?

I have friends and relatives from NE and KS and like I said, it's as far from being liberal as you can get.

Yeah that is the unknown, how many people care about defending their lives more than some stupid "law" made up by the mall. I would hope some would, who knows though.

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

Would depend on how many guns he had and where they were kept. If I had hunting rifles and a mentally off-kilter stepson I'd keep close tabs on my guns, but that's just me.

Why would you think he'd be put in jail if he reported the gun missing? I had a boyfriend back in the day who had a semi-auto handgun stolen and he reported it to the MSP in case it was used in a crime. No probs other than multiple phone calls.

I wouldn't shoot someone over being fired myself.

But he was fired over $17 because his register came up $17 shortand

Managers steal money to excuse firing employees they don't like all the time. I mean, unless they actually saw his steal the money, I don't know.

I know when I worked at Checkers, my manager complained at me because my register was $20 short. The next day, the GM told me the money had in fact been accounted for. She skipped a 20$ bill while counting.

 

[vegmom]

I wouldn't shoot someone over being fired myself.

But he was fired over $17 because his register came up $17 shortand

Managers steal money to excuse firing employees they don't like all the time. I mean, unless they actually saw his steal the money, I don't know.

I know when I worked at Checkers, my manager complained at me because my register was $20 short. The next day, the GM told me the money had in fact been accounted for. She skipped a 20$ bill while counting.

Yeah, but this guy was obviously not all there. Why do they keep saying "history of depression" on the news? If he had been unsucessfully treated for depression for several years and had behavior issues he probably had undiagnosed bipolar disorder. Depression does not make you kill other people. When depressed you wouldn't have the energy. An untreated mixed state or manic bipolar episode would.

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

Mall shooting in Nebraska 12-06-2007 08:07 AM Just wondering if you've noticed nobody ####ing cares about what you have to say about news coverage.



Mall shooting in Nebraska 12-05-2007 05:39 PM fox is always horrible

Yeah, well, apparently "nobody" is inaccurate because someone apparently does care enough, so

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

Yeah, but this guy was obviously not all there. Why do they keep saying "history of depression" on the news? If he had been unsucessfully treated for depression for several years and had behavior issues he probably had undiagnosed bipolar disorder. Depression does not make you kill other people. When depressed you wouldn't have the energy. An untreated mixed state or manic bipolar episode would.

So what do you propose. He's depressed. Lock him up for being depressed?

Yeah he had a history of behavior problems, but he also has a right to due process.

 

[godsbutterfly]

Yeah, but this guy was obviously not all there. Why do they keep saying "history of depression" on the news? If he had been unsucessfully treated for depression for several years and had behavior issues he probably had undiagnosed bipolar disorder. Depression does not make you kill other people. When depressed you wouldn't have the energy. An untreated mixed state or manic bipolar episode would.

The report said he lost his job and his girlfriend so if he had this history of the ups and downs mood swings and behavior problems he really was a walking time bomb. I'm not trying to justify what he did by any means but it really is sad to me that he couldn't be helped or refused to be helped before it ended up like this.

 

[Novus Collectus]

That's what I thought it meant. Even if the mall was a "gun free zone" I find it hard to believe that not a single person with a concealed carry permit had their gun with them anyway. Really- what trouble would they have gotten in is no one saw it? Maybe they felt no reason to carry in that particular (relativly safe) area?

I have friends and relatives from NE and KS and like I said, it's as far from being liberal as you can get.

People with carry permits are more law abiding statistically than any other segment of the populace. They are not likely to do something to break the law like carry in gun free zones..
Besides, even though it may save your life or others by carrying illegally, as soon as you need to use it, you are exposed as breaking the law. Also you never know if you may get hurt in an accident and they find the gun on you when the paramedics arrive (kinda like how we were told by our mothers to always wear clean underwear).

 

[vegmom]

So what do you propose. He's depressed. Lock him up for being depressed?

Yeah he had a history of behavior problems, but he also has a right to due process.

Read the actual content of my post.

I am saying he did not recieve proper treatment in the first place.

From the nuggets of information we have I think he was actually bipolar, not just depressed. If he was treated for depression alone those meds would have made him worse, not better. Depression DOES NOT cause you to act violently towards others or experience any type of psychosis. A bad, untreated case of Biopolar I would.

 

[Novus Collectus]

Would depend on how many guns he had and where they were kept. If I had hunting rifles and a mentally off-kilter stepson I'd keep close tabs on my guns, but that's just me.
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If the stepson still lived in the house, then you might have a point, but no one really expects their house to be broken into and checks their assets on a daily basis.

Also, this is assuming he was even around to check. He may have been in the hospital, out of town or working overtime for a few days.