Mall shooting in Nebraska

[vegmom]

The report said he lost his job and his girlfriend so if he had this history of the ups and downs mood swings and behavior problems he really was a walking time bomb. I'm not trying to justify what he did by any means but it really is sad to me that he couldn't be helped or refused to be helped before it ended up like this.

Sort of like Cho at VA Tech and that kid who shot up the Fairfax police station. Both were unable to obtain the help they needed before they went off the deep end. The latter swiped his parents' guns too.

Two things I take from these incidents: our mental health system needs improvement, and if you have a child with a history mental issues for God's sake keep close tabs on your guns!

 

[vegmom]

If the stepson still lived in the house, then you might have a point, but no one really expects their house to be broken into and checks their assets on a daily basis.

Also, this is assuming he was even around to check. He may have been in the hospital, out of town or working overtime for a few days.

Well, the news accounts say he was kicked out fairly recently, so he could have stolen it before then and not necessarily broke in. Could have still had a key too. You'd hope someone with a mentally unstable relative would have a secure gun safe just to be on the safe side.

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

Read the actual content of my post.

I am saying he did not recieve proper treatment in the first place.

From the nuggets of information we have I think he was actually bipolar, not just depressed. If he was treated for depression alone those meds would have made him worse, not better. Depression DOES NOT cause you to act violently towards others or experience any type of psychosis. A bad, untreated case of Biopolar I would.

But you're not a doctor.

Nobody did anything wrong here, except this kid.

So people like forestool and other elements out there need to quit trying to blame everyone else and change the system. The system did it's job.

I'm sick of the media trying to blame everyone else for some serial killer going out and killing a bunch of people instead of, gee, blaming the suspect.

 

[Novus Collectus]

Well, the news accounts say he was kicked out fairly recently, so he could have stolen it before then and not necessarily broke in. Could have still had a key too. You'd hope someone with a mentally unstable relative would have a secure gun safe just to be on the safe side.

He was kicked out a year ago according to reports.

 

[godsbutterfly]

But you're not a doctor.

Nobody did anything wrong here, except this kid.

So people like forestool and other elements out there need to quit trying to blame everyone else and change the system. The system did it's job.

I'm sick of the media trying to blame everyone else for some serial killer going out and killing a bunch of people instead of, gee, blaming the suspect.

I am blaming the suspect. I just hate to see young people feel they have no reason to go on with life so the heck with it they'll kill themselves and take others with them. One of my daughters is coming up on 20 and I can't imagine her ever thinking that. Of course she is not unstable like this guy was either!

 

[vegmom]

But you're not a doctor.

Nobody did anything wrong here, except this kid.

So people like forestool and other elements out there need to quit trying to blame everyone else and change the system. The system did it's job.

I'm sick of the media trying to blame everyone else for some serial killer going out and killing a bunch of people instead of, gee, blaming the suspect.

Are you saying this guy was NORMAL?

What normal, mentally stable person does that sort of thing?

Not arguing he's accountable for his actions. Even if he lived and went to trial the insanity defense would not apply because he understood what he was doing was wrong. But his illness was the biggest factor at play here.

 

[AK-74me]

FOXNews.com - Media Coverage of Mall Shooting Fails to Reveal Mall's Gun-Free-Zone Status - Opinion

This is the first time I've seen an article like this from the MSM, best one written so far on this event by far.

 

[AK-74me]

Here is another one that is right on the money!

From the Heartland: Westroads Mall a safe working environment for Wackos

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

Are you saying this guy was NORMAL?

What normal, mentally stable person does that sort of thing?

Not arguing he's accountable for his actions. Even if he lived and went to trial the insanity defense would not apply because he understood what he was doing was wrong. But his illness was the biggest factor at play here.

No, I'm not saying he's normal.

Of course no mentally stable person does anything like this.

But you don't know this kid and you're not his doctor. You don't know that he was manic. He probably was, but we don't know that.

 

[vegmom]

No, I'm not saying he's normal.

Of course no mentally stable person does anything like this.

But you don't know this kid and you're not his doctor. You don't know that he was manic. He probably was, but we don't know that.

That is why I said "he was LIKELY" bipolar. I'm pretty well versed in that subject , although the worst my (hypo) manic episodes result in is a spending spree at the mall.

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

Sort of like Cho at VA Tech and that kid who shot up the Fairfax police station. Both were unable to obtain the help they needed before they went off the deep end. The latter swiped his parents' guns too.

Two things I take from these incidents: our mental health system needs improvement, and if you have a child with a history mental issues for God's sake keep close tabs on your guns!

The Democrats need to quit screwing over the American youth.

It's harder than ever to pay for college. We've got BILLS TO PAY, we need FOOD and anybody who actually does employ college students is afraid to give them insurance.

The insurance companies (understandably) jack rates up on teenage drivers.

NOBODY takes into consideration that we have responsibilities too. It costs $200/month just to put gas in my car.

It's college aged people in general. The government (just like most other people) don't give two chits about us because we don't make up their core voting base. All politicians care about is the same that the TV stations do: 25+.

Based on apartment prices and all that, if I was in college 5-6 years ago, I'd have no problems. But now, the economy is just too bad.

And the Democrats don't give an eff about the long term implication of their actions. It's us younger folks who are going to pay dearly in the long run for this Congress' mistakes.

The cost of living is what, some number multiplied vs. 5-10 years ago.

And, for the record, I voted for Michael Steele. I am regretting voting for O'Malley.

 

[vegmom]

The Democrats need to quit screwing over the American youth.

It's harder than ever to pay for college. We've got BILLS TO PAY, we need FOOD and anybody who actually does employ college students is afraid to give them insurance.

Hon, go back to 1995 and that would be the exact same gripes me and my Gen-Xer college age friends had. The only differences are we were complaining about the Newt led congress, we all had slow dialup modems, and the closest Starbucks was DC or Annapolis.

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

Hon, go back to 1995 and that would be the exact same gripes me and my Gen-Xer college age friends had. The only differences are we were complaining about the Newt led congress, we all had slow dialup modems, and the closest Starbucks was DC or Annapolis.

Yet the general pay scales for people my age is about the same as it was in 1995 (give or take a few hundred or a few thousand a year). The cost of living and the cost of tuition has multiplied.

The economy is worse right now than it's ever been in my life. And I'll admit it and backtrack previous statements, the economy seems to be crumbling under the Democratically controlled Congress.

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

Hon, go back to 1995 and that would be the exact same gripes me and my Gen-Xer college age friends had. The only differences are we were complaining about the Newt led congress, we all had slow dialup modems, and the closest Starbucks was DC or Annapolis.

I will say I'm really stressed right now, far more stressed than I've ever been in my life. All chit piles up on you all at once.

But I'm not going to go kill myself or kill someone else.

 

[vegmom]

Yet the general pay scales for people my age is about the same as it was in 1995 (give or take a few hundred or a few thousand a year). The cost of living and the cost of tuition has multiplied.

The economy is worse right now than it's ever been in my life. And I'll admit it and backtrack previous statements, the economy seems to be crumbling under the Democratically controlled Congress.

You obviously don't remember Bush Sr.

 

[Chain729]

Read the actual content of my post.

I am saying he did not recieve proper treatment in the first place.

From the nuggets of information we have I think he was actually bipolar, not just depressed. If he was treated for depression alone those meds would have made him worse, not better. Depression DOES NOT cause you to act violently towards others or experience any type of psychosis. A bad, untreated case of Biopolar I would.

Ummm... Actually, yes it can cause psychosis if severe enough. And yes, depression can make you violent. The second is more prone in men than women, but yes, depression CAN make you extremely irratable and lead to violence. Look it up.

You're welcome.

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

You obviously don't remember Bush Sr.

Uh...

George Herbert Walker Bush (born June 12, 1924), was the forty-first President of the United States, serving from 1989 to 1993. Before his presidency, Bush was the forty-third vice president of the United States in the administration of Ronald Reagan. He has also served as the member of the United States House of Representatives for the 7th district of Texas (1967–1971), the United States Ambassador to the United Nations (1971–1973), chairman of the Republican National Committee (1973–1974), Chief of the United States Liaison Office in the People's Republic of China (1974–1976), and Director of the Central Intelligence Agency (1976–1977).

Yeah, uh, no I don't remember Bush 41.

 

[Fishn Guy]

Ummm... Actually, yes it can cause psychosis if severe enough. And yes, depression can make you violent. The second is more prone in men than women, but yes, depression CAN make you extremely irratable and lead to violence. Look it up.

You're welcome.

Clinical depression is also linked to being a skinny little non-sexual bastard wich would explain half of your posts I too wouldn't it?

Just a stab in the dark

 

[vegmom]

Uh...



Yeah, uh, no I don't remember Bush 41.

But that WAS during your lifetime, and the economy was far worse than it is now. I got to graduate from HS in the middle of that recession.

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

But that WAS during your lifetime, and the economy was far worse than it is now. I got to graduate from HS in the middle of that recession.

And we're headed into another recession. All the ecnonomists are saying it. CNBC (left), Fox Biz (right), CNN money, they're all saying it's going to happen again.