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Margaret Brent School Out of Control?
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itsbob
I bowl overhand
I'd call it Gilligan's
dixiepeach
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My son attends there, and it is OUT OF CONTROL. The principle brushes everything under the rug to make her look good. Teachers are leaving, my neighbor's daughter has had 5 English teachers this year. OUT OF CONTROL.
awpitt
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Misfit
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Not if you do the Math.
OldHillcrestGuy
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Yes it is. I started this thread after numerous incidents that involved my youngest grandson. Since I first wrote the bullying has continued. I have become quite proud of the grandson, the other day the classroom bully was harassing a girl, he said to him why do you have to be like that, the kid stood up and put him in a headlock while he was sitting at his desk. He got out of it and proceeded to defend himself and the bully took a bunch to the face and ended up on the floor with a bloodied lip and crying. They both ended up in the office and after speaking with all involved and witnesses the bully ended up with detention, grandson got nothing, other then a thank you from the girl that was being harassing.
*groan*
LightRoasted
If I may ...
If I may ...
And there's not a damn thing you, or anyone, can do about it. I mean really, there's is not a damn thing that an be done about it. Nothing. It is a public school ran by teacher's unions. And by principles being paid over $110-150,000 per year, plus benefits, plus a very generous pension. Do you really think they care about your kids? Do you really think they care about some bullying going on? But go ahead, (public in general), and make excuses for the teachers. Oh woe for the poor downtrodden teachers. If any person, in the position as a teacher, that sees any bulling, and does nothing about it, are just as bad as the bully. They hide behind "policies", and the principle and the union instead. Instead of "leaving", those teachers, if they truly cared, would make a stand, and make a stink, and stand with the parents and kids, until changes were made. But that will never happen. Why? Because all parents are brainwashed into supporting, blindly, a failed public school system. And the parents that do make a stand are immediately shut down, marginalized, ridiculed. "Don't you know that teachers and administrators work extremely hard to teach?" They say. Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Typical BS teacher support propaganda. Facts are never given. Only emotional innuendos, overtones and intimations that teachers really really care as well as administrators, and the system too, and are just trying to work through hard times.
Wake up people. You have been lied to for so long you think it is the truth.
And there's not a damn thing you, or anyone, can do about it. I mean really, there's is not a damn thing that an be done about it. Nothing. It is a public school ran by teacher's unions. And by principles being paid over $110-150,000 per year, plus benefits, plus a very generous pension. Do you really think they care about your kids? Do you really think they care about some bullying going on? But go ahead, (public in general), and make excuses for the teachers. Oh woe for the poor downtrodden teachers. If any person, in the position as a teacher, that sees any bulling, and does nothing about it, are just as bad as the bully. They hide behind "policies", and the principle and the union instead. Instead of "leaving", those teachers, if they truly cared, would make a stand, and make a stink, and stand with the parents and kids, until changes were made. But that will never happen. Why? Because all parents are brainwashed into supporting, blindly, a failed public school system. And the parents that do make a stand are immediately shut down, marginalized, ridiculed. "Don't you know that teachers and administrators work extremely hard to teach?" They say. Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Typical BS teacher support propaganda. Facts are never given. Only emotional innuendos, overtones and intimations that teachers really really care as well as administrators, and the system too, and are just trying to work through hard times.
Wake up people. You have been lied to for so long you think it is the truth.
This bears repeating.
Don't wait for the school to handle it. Chances are, they won't. Don't even give them a chance to give you the runaround. If your child is attacked at school, call the police immediately and file a complaint.
Bullying is one thing, but the second they put their hands on your kid, now it's assault. By letting it go you just green light them to keep beating on your child. It's up to parents to protect their child - the school is not going to do that.
black dog
Free America
I agree, a kid that rode the same bus as my son pulled his dick out and showed it to two sisters one morning. And it was on film.. The Sheriff's Dept had no knowledge of it until I went down to Leonardtown that afternoon.. The Detective told me they were just in a meeting with school administrations the day before about not being notified when criminal behavior happens in the schools. This was at Dent about 8 years ago..
awpitt
Main Streeter
Just curious.... Do you, or have you ever, had kids in school? Were you an involved parent? Or did you just send your kids to school and hope for the best. I ask because your post here seems to be of someone who likes to stand on the sidelines criticizing everyone else instead of being involved and being part of the solution. I was on PTSAs during all levels of my kids' education. Did Booster organizations as well. Chaperoned too many trips to count. Even overnight trips. Developed good working relationships, and even friendships, with several of my kids' teachers. Still keep in touch with them. Hell, my Mom was a teacher for 45 years. Your description regarding teachers is way way off.
LightRoasted
If I may ...
If I may ...
Yup, I sure did. Then I woke the hell up and transfered them to a private school. Regarding public teachers, way off? Don't think so. Just like there are good cops, sure there are good, (albeit naive) public teachers, but they are tainted by standing silent on all the bad ones, as well as remaining silent on bullying. Did you know that in most private schools, K-12, teacher pay is about 55% of a school budget? And yet in a public school it is over 80%? Where in private schools there is money for needed supplies that actually go into the classrooms rather than teacher's pockets via strong armed unions? You can believe that you made a difference, but in fact, you did nothing to change the corruption and slough. It was just a waste of time. But hey, you felt good doing it ... right?
Yup, I sure did. Then I woke the hell up and transfered them to a private school. Regarding public teachers, way off? Don't think so. Just like there are good cops, sure there are good, (albeit naive) public teachers, but they are tainted by standing silent on all the bad ones, as well as remaining silent on bullying. Did you know that in most private schools, K-12, teacher pay is about 55% of a school budget? And yet in a public school it is over 80%? Where in private schools there is money for needed supplies that actually go into the classrooms rather than teacher's pockets via strong armed unions? You can believe that you made a difference, but in fact, you did nothing to change the corruption and slough. It was just a waste of time. But hey, you felt good doing it ... right?
Not sure what your experience is based on but this couldn't be further from accurate based on mine. My mother was a teacher for 35 +/- years between PG and Charles County (just recently retired). I have numerous close friends who are teachers in Charles and Calvert Counties. I can tell you that each year, more and more administrative responsibility is pushed down on teachers who are now forced to endure problem children without much support from up above. I have three kids in elementary school in Calvert and I've been involved over the years in various classroom activities. Teachers must focus much of their efforts and attention on kids who should not be included in the normal learning group at the detriment of well behaved children. Just last week, I spent about an hour with my oldest as part of a "Coffee House Poetry" event where kids all stood up to read their poems. As a parent, I wanted to scold two of the children who refused to sit quietly or even sit at all. The poor teacher was exhausted and embarrassed.
Teachers do care. They certainly don't get into this profession for the money and more of the money they earned is being directed into funding their own coursework. It's pathetic. When they do look to address problem kids, the admins do little other than (maybe) call a conference to which point the teacher is put on trial and the parents gets carte blanche when it comes to blaming the teacher. Don't mind that little Johnny hasn't done homework in 6 weeks or can't follow basic instructions ........
Teachers are stuck between a rock and a hard place. Don't be so foolish to think that teachers see all. Kids, especially as they get older, are sneaky and know exactly when and when not to do things. Even kids in elementary school know to push, shove, punch when a teacher has turned their head/back or while tucked away behind a wall. And when a student "tattles", it quickly becomes a "he said / she said" thing and there is no support. Their hands are tied to a large extent even when they catch Johnny red handed.
But the big reality here with all this bullying crap is mom and dad. Two things usually happen: 1) Mom and Dad honestly didn't realize that little Johnny can't keep his hands to himself. 2) Mom and Dad don't see the problem with it. In either scenario, the best course of action is the response of another Mom and Dad.
With #1, a friendly conversation with the parents, in private, usually solves the issue. It's potentially an embarrassing conversation but necessary. It can be handled politely and appropriately. And often, if they are decent parents, they will apologize and commit to following up with little Johnny. With #2, these people are just POS and unfortunately share the air with us. And if you inform them of the issue and they blow you off - you give them the heads up that the next time your kid comes home crying because little Johnny put his hands where they didn't belong, you are going to put your hands on little Johnny's daddy and drag his face across the front porch.
awpitt
Main Streeter
That is so incorrect. Very simple.
awpitt
Main Streeter
Very good points. I teacher friend of mine just told me that, after ten years, they're leaving the teaching profession. Many reasons stated were what you described with some additional ones. I always hear about how great private schools are yet they get to pick and choose which students get to attend. Get one challenging kids and they get booted. Public schools don't get to do that.
I dislike sticking up for LR because normally I want to punch his face for him, but he is correct. School administrators, by and large, do not give a single #### about your kid. They don't even give a fart. They care very much about their "success rate" and school image so they can keep their cushy job, bennies, and pensions, but they do not care about the kids at all.
I have known some amazing teachers in my time, but there are a good number of them who don't give a ####, either. I used to practically live at school when my kids were young, I was down there so often. It got worse after 9/11 and my kids would come home and tell me what their psycho teachers were spouting in class. I wanted to be involved in PTA, but the dragons that ran it kept it with just their little clique and "forgot" to notify parents when there was a meeting or something happening. But you better believe they were right there with their hand out come fundraiser time. Complaints were ignored. Complain more vigorously and your kid got targeted.
His description isn't 100%, but it's not way off at all. Several of my friends are teachers and it was amazing reading their FB posts after the 2016 election. Most of them literally should have been forced into a psychiatric facility and definitely NOT lording over a classroom of children. It was disturbing to watch.
This is a fat load on a couple of different levels. Teachers do indeed know who the troublemakers are in their classrooms, they just don't want to deal with it. I've actually seen a teacher take the side of the class bitch and join in the bullying of her target.
Also note that teachers strike all the time for better pay and more time off, etc etc....when was the last time you saw a teacher's strike for more support as far as dealing with problem students and their parents? Do they ever strike because the psycho kids are threatening them and other students, and curtailing the education process?
There is a lot teachers can do to improve their lot and promote a better learning environment for students. They just don't do it.
Granted, upper management is a problem, but teachers are absolutely part of the problem. And again, I've known some really terrific teachers, but there are at least an equal number who are mental and lazy and cowardly, and shouldn't be in a classroom.
I don't disagree. However, LR lumped administrators in with the teachers and that isn't a fair grouping. Many teachers don't care for their administrators because they are forced to work under different agendas and priorities.
There are good and bad in any profession but the blankets statements above teachers simply isn't true. However, the longer we continue down the path of handcuffing them, forcing more on them (unrelated to teaching) and continue to dig into their pockets, the more and more less skilled candidates we're going to see. For teachers, it was never about seeking out a big paycheck, but when compensation is minimal, responsibilities are being increased and the ability to actually teach is being stripped from them - many simply aren't interested anymore. The hard working folks who are in it for the cause can no longer justify the headache and find other career paths. The longer this trend goes on, the more "crap" teachers will find homes simply out of necessity.
See above. I have a MIL who is a elementary teacher and also a Facebook ranter who leans heavily to one side in her political views. Her page is a constant update of political memes (largely unvetted and inaccurate). I've cautioned her about this several times as Facebook allows the merging of one's professional and personal lives. People build perceptions - sometimes accurately - and that can influence your career. This doesn't mean she's a bad teacher (quite the contrary in my opinion). However, her political views and personal life shouldn't be made so open and available for scrutiny. That is true of any profession.
It wasn't their political views that disturbed me, it was their manner of expressing them, coupled with the hysterical mental breakdown and sobbing about "how am I going to tell my students that America is over and we now have a President who wants to kill everyone who isn't white and male????"
And no, I am not exaggerating. That is a direct quote. Another not direct quote, but a paraphrase, was, "I feel like I should assassinate him (Trump) in order to protect my kids!"
We wouldn't have these problems if we just spent more money on public education.
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