Marine Puppy Toss

[LordStanley]

You're overlooking the fact that these are American Marines, not Korean or Chinese. In our culture, dogs have a status something close to humans... the fact that some Marine would kill a dog in such a sadistic manner - reveals a lot about the lack of respect that particular Marine has for our societal beliefs and/or life in general.

yet, its ok for this same marine to kill humans.

 

[Bruzilla]

If it in necessary to kill a defenseless animal, you can do it without being a dick about it :shrug:

That's very true, but when did it become a violation of the UCMJ to be a dick? I mean, we don't go looking for spineless animal rights activists to be Marines. We look for guys who are nutty enough to go wading into deadly situations and risk getting themselves killed while they do things that most people would never do like blowing people up, shooting them, stabbing them, etc. So we punish them and discharge them because they killed a puppy???

I mean, I know some have said that this can make the Marines look like monsters to some people, but think about the other side of that coin. How does it make the Marines look like to their enemies? How afraid of intimidated can you really be of a military service that throws guys out for killing a puppy? When I was in Korea, I watched a junior enlisted guy get stood up against a wall and his face punched until you couldn't recognize him anymore just because he told a guy I was with that "14 years old is a good age for a wife in Korea" after the guy told him how old his daughter was and the Koreans thought we had been offended (I guess the Koreans have never heard of Alabama, West Virginia, St. Mary's County, etc.) The next day that kid showed up for work even though he could barely see. The Korean Marines lose guys every year when they get killed during hand-to-hand combat training! Do we really want a bunch of wimps going up against guys like these?

 

[jetmonkey]

yet, its ok for this same marine to kill humans.

Humans that are trying to kill them back, yes

 

[Bruzilla]

You're overlooking the fact that these are American Marines, not Korean or Chinese. In our culture, dogs have a status something close to humans... the fact that some Marine would kill a dog in such a sadistic manner - reveals a lot about the lack of respect that particular Marine has for our societal beliefs and/or life in general. So yeah, the guy is sick - and not USMC caliber.

Replace dog with chicken and see how much sense your argument makes. Our Marines aren't expected to fight Americans, they're expected to fight guys who don't share our special little cultural connection with puppies. Do you really want these guys looking at our Marines as guys who can't even deal with killing a puppy?

 

[jetmonkey]

That's very true, but when did it become a violation of the UCMJ to be a dick? I mean, we don't go looking for spineless animal rights activists to be Marines. We look for guys who are nutty enough to go wading into deadly situations and risk getting themselves killed while they do things that most people would never do like blowing people up, shooting them, stabbing them, etc. So we punish them and discharge them because they killed a puppy???

I mean, I know some have said that this can make the Marines look like monsters to some people, but think about the other side of that coin. How does it make the Marines look like to their enemies? How afraid of intimidated can you really be of a military service that throws guys out for killing a puppy? When I was in Korea, I watched a junior enlisted guy get stood up against a wall and his face punched until you couldn't recognize him anymore just because he told a guy I was with that "14 years old is a good age for a wife in Korea" after the guy told him how old his daughter was and the Koreans thought we had been offended (I guess the Koreans have never heard of Alabama, West Virginia, St. Mary's County, etc.) The next day that kid showed up for work even though he could barely see. The Korean Marines lose guys every year when they get killed during hand-to-hand combat training! Do we really want a bunch of wimps going up against guys like these?

What does throwing a defenseless puppy off a cliff have to do with manhood?

 

[jetmonkey]

And seriously, when is the military going to take the cameras away? I agree with Patten Oswald - "Perhaps the new symbol of America should be an eagle getting hit in the balls while a bear films it."

 

[Bruzilla]

AMERICANS AND EUROPEANS!!!!!

Many that think that we don't belong there in the first place and that are military is full of cruel heartless people. Like I said, personally, I don't give a flying F. Kill em all! Carpet bomb Iraqi puppy rescues. (Tongue in cheek by the way, since you are having such a hard time understanding)

The point is people back here and in many "civilized" countries flew off the handle because we got some German Sheppards a little too close to prisoners. WTF did these guys expect after filming this?

Last I checked our guys aren't fighting Americans and Europeans. They are fighting guys who get their kicks out of beheading bound people and blowing themselves up. Do you really think they are going to see Americans less favorably if they kill a puppy??? I'm sure it's all the rage at the al Qaeda recruiting centers though... "Look at this fellow believers! I know you hear how tough the Americans are, but check this out: they are discharging men for killing a puppy. Yes... a puppy I poop you not! So, how tough can they really be?"

As for the anti-war/hate the military crowd, Americans and Europeans, they've been hollering for months about stealing oil, murdering civilians, torturing, abductions and renditions... why should we discharge three highly-trained Marines so they won't add puppy killers to their list of complaints? Seems a bit foolish to me, expeically goven we don't hire these guys to be nice.

 

[Lugnut]

What does throwing a defenseless puppy off a cliff have to do with manhood?

Manly competition. Bragging rights for distance thrown?

 

[Bruzilla]

Manly competition. Bragging rights for distance thrown?

Extra points for number of bounces after initial impact?

 

[vegmom]

Just like killing someone in combat is not the same as shooting someone just walking down the street, this is not the same as killing an animal for food or protection.

Anyone who passed PSYCH 101 in college can tell you that torturing animals is a sign of sociopathy. If a kid was caught doing that they'd be on probation and have court ordered counseling. "Tortures animals" is part of many a serial killer's profile. Would you want to go into combat with someone who was that f-ed up in the head?

 

[Lugnut]

Extra points for number of bounces after initial impact?

 

[AK-74me]

Last I checked our guys aren't fighting Americans and Europeans. They are fighting guys who get their kicks out of beheading bound people and blowing themselves up. Do you really think they are going to see Americans less favorably if they kill a puppy??? I'm sure it's all the rage at the al Qaeda recruiting centers though... "Look at this fellow believers! I know you hear how tough the Americans are, but check this out: they are discharging men for killing a puppy. Yes... a puppy I poop you not! So, how tough can they really be?"

As for the anti-war/hate the military crowd, Americans and Europeans, they've been hollering for months about stealing oil, murdering civilians, torturing, abductions and renditions... why should we discharge three highly-trained Marines so they won't add puppy killers to their list of complaints? Seems a bit foolish to me, expeically goven we don't hire these guys to be nice.

Dude, all I am saying is that it is not surprising that the military came down on them with a punishment, considering what we have become as a country. I think they are dumb for filming it and not thinking that it eventually would get them in trouble.

 

[migtig]

Just like killing someone in combat is not the same as shooting someone just walking down the street, this is not the same as killing an animal for food or protection.

Anyone who passed PSYCH 101 in college can tell you that torturing animals is a sign of sociopathy. If a kid was caught doing that they'd be on probation and have court ordered counseling. "Tortures animals" is part of many a serial killer's profile. Would you want to go into combat with someone who was that f-ed up in the head?

Yes I would choose him anyday over an animal rights activist who has never seen a day of military duty or served their country. BTW, we want our Marines to be "pschyopaths". We as a nation have encouraged it since the USMC's creation. Look up their history. They didn't earn the nickname "devil dogs" because they were sweet and petable. One of their many mottos is "let me win your heart and minds or I'll burn your damn hut down". They have been called insane fanatics, rabid dogs and worse by their enemies and they are proud of it. So tell me why, someone that has been encouraged to be a "psychopath", to kill and to kill well, should be punished over some dog that didn't mean anything to anybody but to bleeding hearts who are thousands of miles away and wouldn't be able to defend themselves if their lives depended upon it? Should these Marines have been punished and kicked out because of "political" ramifications in the US? No, they shouldn't have.

 

[Inkpen]

The Marines got NJP for going "public" with a real/staged video..that they knew would bring them a lot of attention..

Perhaps it was a prank, or a result of stress..or just being really stupid...who really knows...

The fact is is that the video went public and brought disgrace upon the USMC, and all the USMC is about...loyality, honor, courage.....etc.

Ever wonder how much crap is done and not made public and is taken care of within the boundry of the Corps?

They never stated the video was real.....and a sound track can be added.
The puppy whining is not proof that is a real video.

We all have different views on cute little puppies and how they should be cared for and treated.
Some folks will go out of their way to run over an animal in the road and others will swerve to miss it.

If the guys were wearing civies and not a uniform would you have reacted the same?

If the guys were civilians...how would we react?

I believe the Corps is reacting to public outcry and using this to "set an example" that this kind of behavior will not be tolerated in the USMC.

And the guys were just plain fricking stupid to video it....but they did and got famous because of it.

If you sat next to one of them in a bar, would you recognize him?
I doubt it......and I doubt you would care.

 

[theArtistFormerlyKnownAs]

I have no complaints at all with these people being discharged.

Not only do I feel this is a completely sick thing to do, if it is real, I would NEVER want someone covering my back that made such a bad judgement error in videotaping this and expecting not to have reprecussions. Anyone who willingly does that on video is just...retarded.

 

[jetmonkey]

Yeah, we'd be laughing right along with them had they been civilians. How soon can you guys set up the somd.com/forums puppy cliff toss so we can all prove how big our cocks are?

 

[Lugnut]

I would NEVER want someone covering my back that made such a bad judgement error in videotaping this and expecting not to have reprecussions. Anyone who willingly does that on video is just...retarded.

"Tortures animals" is part of many a serial killer's profile. Would you want to go into combat with someone who was that f-ed up in the head?

And just how many combat tours do you two have???

 

[theArtistFormerlyKnownAs]

And just how many combat tours do you two have???

Ok, that may be a fair argument with VM, but c'mon...you would REALLY want someone covering your 6 that thought it would be a good idea to let himself be videotaped doing something that would offend the MAJORITY of the nation he is serving to protect?

I won't deny that the act offends me, greatly, and I wouldn't hesitated to kick someone's ass if I was there when it happened (generally, not just this situation)...but that is besides the point of my arguement of why these soldiers shouldn't be serving

 

[Cowgirl]

Yes I would choose him anyday over an animal rights activist who has never seen a day of military duty or served their country. BTW, we want our Marines to be "pschyopaths". We as a nation have encouraged it since the USMC's creation. Look up their history. They didn't earn the nickname "devil dogs" because they were sweet and petable. One of their many mottos is "let me win your heart and minds or I'll burn your damn hut down". They have been called insane fanatics, rabid dogs and worse by their enemies and they are proud of it. So tell me why, someone that has been encouraged to be a "psychopath", to kill and to kill well, should be punished over some dog that didn't mean anything to anybody but to bleeding hearts who are thousands of miles away and wouldn't be able to defend themselves if their lives depended upon it? Should these Marines have been punished and kicked out because of "political" ramifications in the US? No, they shouldn't have.

That's a big assumption.

 

[Cowgirl]

Seriously, what happened to the rule of thumb being to kill all dogs in the AO because they can give your position away? Don't get me wrong, I have wonderful pets that I adore, but in a combat arena, the rules are different and Fluffy isn't just Fluffy - it's an animal that can attack, cause diseases and infections, and even distract from the matter at hand which is combat. Irregardless, it's a dog in the AO, and sorry to say, it's not worth a moments concern to anybody, and should never be worth all the bleeding heart comments and liberal attention.

Did you see the video? The marines surely didn't look like they were in combat. They were laughing and joking and having a grand old time. And did you see the size of the puppy? I'm sorry, but I have a hard time believing that little puppy would somehow give away their position. It looked like it was maybe 8 weeks old and maybe 5 lbs.