Mary had a little lamb..........

[Midnightrider]

Let me try to understand: Are you saying that you, of all people, know what is best for this country? Maybe you should run for a political office, so we can knock you off your pretentious, high horse.

we must be soul mates or something

 

[forever jewel]

we must be soul mates or something

...or something

 

[2ndAmendment]

Let me try to understand: Are you saying that you, of all people, know what is best for this country? Maybe you should run for a political office, so we can knock you off your pretentious, high horse.

Never said that. I posted that where the country is now is not what the Founders had envisioned.

 

[Midnightrider]

Never said that. I posted that where the country is now is not what the Founders had envisioned.

In your opinion.

Too bad for you that the majority of the country, including the congress and the supreme court disagree with you

 

[Nanny Pam]

Thanks for sharing, rack'm.

I printed it and I have it hanging on the bullitin board.

 

[2ndAmendment]

In your opinion.

Too bad for you that the majority of the country, including the congress and the supreme court disagree with you

If you would bother to read history, you would find that Adams, Jefferson, Madison, and other founders expressed that the people even in the First Congress were disregarding the Constitution and subverting the intentions for the republic. Those that do not study history are doomed to repeat it. Republics typically last 200 to 300 years and then collapse under their own weight. The U.S. is at the end of the life cycle.

 

[JumpinJack]

If you would bother to read history, you would find that Adams, Jefferson, Madison, and other founders expressed that the people even in the First Congress were disregarding the Constitution and subverting the intentions for the republic. Those that do not study history are doomed to repeat it. Republics typically last 200 to 300 years and then collapse under their own weight. The U.S. is at the end of the life cycle.

I agree. lets smoke weed til the end

 

[forever jewel]

If you would bother to read history, you would find that Adams, Jefferson, Madison, and other founders expressed that the people even in the First Congress were disregarding the Constitution and subverting the intentions for the republic. Those that do not study history are doomed to repeat it. Republics typically last 200 to 300 years and then collapse under their own weight. The U.S. is at the end of the life cycle.

Did God tell you this in your sleep?

 

[Midnightrider]

If you would bother to read history, you would find that Adams, Jefferson, Madison, and other founders expressed that the people even in the First Congress were disregarding the Constitution and subverting the intentions for the republic. Those that do not study history are doomed to repeat it. Republics typically last 200 to 300 years and then collapse under their own weight. The U.S. is at the end of the life cycle.

go on johnny false prophet

Its no surprise that when more of the country was involved in the process the agenda changed slightly. I'm pretty sure that's why the constitution was created as a living document and not as a static one. even so, i never read anything suggesting that the founders wanted prayer in public schools

 

[tirdun]

Same argument, new gushing first post. Same facts:

The violent crime rate in the United States has been on the decline in the last twenty years in every category (US DoJ). Property crime is half of what it was in 1970, firearm crime is one third. The ONLY statistic that keeps going up steadily is drug arrests.

There have been a number of violent crimes inside churches, where one assumes people pray quite a bit.

There is no law forbidding prayer in school, only teacher led prayer. Students may pray, form prayer clubs, etc and have done so all over the country. In Matthew 6:5, Jesus suggests you pray quietly to yourself in private anyway.

A number of republic governments have lasted longer than a few centuries. Venice lasted for almost a millenia. All forms of government have luminary examples and the Democrats taking the house is not some portent of doom.

 

[2ndAmendment]

Did God tell you this in your sleep?

No. Read about the "life time of republics" in a history book.

go on johnny false prophet

Its no surprise that when more of the country was involved in the process the agenda changed slightly. I'm pretty sure that's why the constitution was created as a living document and not as a static one. even so, i never read anything suggesting that the founders wanted prayer in public schools

Then you need to read more history. As states were added, one of the criteria for consideration was a public school system that included proper Christian education. It has only been since the 1960s that the ACLU and those of their ilk have thrown God out of the public schools.

The Constitution is not a "living document" in your sense. It has a method for properly amending it. That process has not been followed, so we have many, many laws and interpretations that are not true to the Constitution.

Call me a false prophet if you must, but it is not me you will have to contend with in the end and in the end, there will be no contention - God wins.

 

[Midnightrider]

No. Read about the "life time of republics" in a history book.

Then you need to read more history. As states were added, one of the criteria for consideration was a public school system that included proper Christian education. It has only been since the 1960s that the ACLU and those of their ilk have thrown God out of the public schools.

The Constitution is not a "living document" in your sense. It has a method for properly amending it. That process has not been followed, so we have many, many laws and interpretations that are not true to the Constitution.

Call me a false prophet if you must, but it is not me you will have to contend with in the end and in the end, there will be no contention - God wins.

again we have a case of 2ndA knows all and the rest of the country is full of idiots who cant read or understand history. blahblahblah

the constitution IS a living document, in that it was intended to be ammeded, and to "grow" with the needs of the country. The process for ammeding the constitution is clear, and just becasue you dont like the ammedments, doesn't mean that they were'nt properly added.

now please keep YOUR religion out or OUR government, thanks

 

[forever jewel]

Just out of curiousity, 2A, what religion do you follow?

 

[2ndAmendment]

again we have a case of 2ndA knows all and the rest of the country is full of idiots who cant read or understand history. blahblahblah

the constitution IS a living document, in that it was intended to be ammeded, and to "grow" with the needs of the country. The process for ammeding the constitution is clear, and just becasue you dont like the ammedments, doesn't mean that they were'nt properly added.

now please keep YOUR religion out or OUR government, thanks

Didn't say I didn't like the amendments. I said I don't like the activist court's poor interpretation of the amendments. You really ought to calm down. I don't really care if you disagree. But if you want to look at who is lacking in knowledge, check your spelling in your quote above.

 

[2ndAmendment]

Just out of curiousity, 2A, what religion do you follow?

Christianity. It is a way of life not a religion. Religion is man made rules to get to God. Christianity is God's method of salvation provided for men to reach God. Religion is man reaching for God by man's rules. Christianity is God reaching to man by His way.

 

[Midnightrider]

Didn't say I didn't like the amendments. I said I don't like the activist court's poor interpretation of the amendments. You really ought to calm down. I don't really care if you disagree. But if you want to look at who is lacking in knowledge, check your spelling in your quote above.

The last grasp of someone with no point is to attack the spelling and grammer of the person with a valid point.
I may have made a mistake in spelling, but i am certainly not lacking in knowledge, at least not about constitutional law....

 

[Gwydion]

There is no law forbidding prayer in school, only teacher led prayer. Students may pray, form prayer clubs, etc and have done so all over the country. In Matthew 6:5, Jesus suggests you pray quietly to yourself in private anyway.

Precisely. In high school we were not allowed to pray. A group of students created a prayer group that met every morning at the flag pole to stand in a circle and pray together. In college there was the student groups "Muslims of America" "Prayer Group"(any religion), "Bible Study", "Jewish Society", etc.

Just because there is not led prayer does not mean prayer does not exist in schools. I personally would NEVER want ANY prayer to be mandatory in schools. If it was to God it would offend somebody, if it was to Allah it would offend somebody, if it was to Zeus....well we would laugh. But you get the point. Religion should not be placed anywhere in schools nor anywhere in gov't.

Our country as a whole is a mixing pot of different religions. When our Forefathers came over, there was agnostic and SOME form of christianity. They realized there were other religions in the world and (due to their own prosecution) were intelligent enough to make sure that didnt happen to their own country.

Quotes from famous people don't mean crap. Its what they write and do.

 

[Gwydion]

The last grasp of someone with no point is to attack the spelling and grammer of the person with a valid point.

Grammer? Learn to spell!!

 

[Midnightrider]

Grammer? Learn to spell!!

you know what they say about people in glass houses..... (check your previous post)

 

[Gwydion]

you know what they say about people in glass houses..... (check your previous post)

Learn to capitalize!