WingsOfGold
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Sorry assshole, they aren't "minorities" they're ILLEGALS that don't belong here.
Maryland Government to give free health care to illegal immigrants
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frequentflier
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I've had it on IGNORE for awhile now.
Try it. You'll like it!
I would NOT know the conversation, but people keep quoting the gutter trash
frequentflier
happy to be living
I don't see it's comments unless I hit "show ignored content". There are several others on IGNORE and has improved my enjoyment of the forums tremendously!
Sneakers
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StmarysCity79
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To answer 1: Yes, that's generally how it works. But as I indicated in the post (#20) just before my response to you, what this new Maryland law would do is allow people who aren't - by federal law - eligible for those subsidies to purchase coverage through the Maryland exchanges. So they wouldn't be getting the subsidies that many others are eligible for. Washington state did something similar, though after a quick glance it looks like Washington made the new people who could buy through their exchanges eligible to receive small state level subsidies which were available to others. But even with the federal waiver they aren't eligible to receive the larger federal subsidies.
To respond to 2: Sure, the uptake on this probably won't be large. IIRC they did some kind of study meant to estimate what the uptake would be and it suggested a low rate. But some would use the exchanges. Various groups of people - to include, e.g., illegal aliens - aren't monoliths. In many ways their circumstances vary. And for some it might make sense to have coverage instead of, e.g., needing to use ERs for things they might be able to see regular doctors or specialists for. There are numerous advantages to that - e.g., lost time, quality/continuity of service, cost. Yes, plenty of people can avoid paying for ER services, buy they aren't free per se and there are consequences for not paying for such services.
That said, yeah, I wouldn't expect the impact of this new law to be huge. Used car price inflation reversed a while ago and now new car price inflation has started to
SamSpade
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EVERY TIME I go to an emergency room, especially in larger cities - the place is packed to the gills. When I needed my gall bladder out in the middle of the night (obviously they scheduled for later, but they treated me because I had no idea what was happening), there was a family next to me - and their little girl - had the flu. They took her to the ER. When I took my youngest to children's in DC - barely standing room only. They were there because - it was "free".
Lived in many cities up and down the east coast. THAT is how it works. Oddly enough, when we were in Ethiopia, we had to take our daughter to a clinic - not free, but extremely cheap. PACKED. People waiting in the halls. People waiting WITH YOU when you see the doctor. When we later took her to a more expensive facility - much more like the United States. And of course, they solved the problem within a very short time.
For many people - the ER is the doctor, and if the wait is long, that's how it works - kind of like the MVA. You get used to it.
OccamsRazor
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Maybe THIS will help you understand what EVERYONE is trying to point out to you but, you seem to fail to understand....
Why aren't you a Premo Member on this site?
Is it because you can post FOR FREE and NOT pay for the Premo plan? Well... same for illegals and ER healthcare! Why are they going to sign up and pay for a plan when they can get their medical needs met for FREE? (or... on the tax payer's dime of course)
Hijinx
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The Emergency room is often packed because Primary Doctors will not see them.
Call your primary . What is the first thing you hear?
If this is an emergency go to the ER.
What they don't say is this. I will see you in 2 weeks after you get well.
America's health care sucks. It is super expensive. Doctors are now 9 to 5 workers. None of them ar general Practitioners any more they just send you from one Doctor to another. You have a rash? Your Doctor doesn't give you skin cream they send you to a Dermatologist, your arm hurt. Orthopedic Doctor. Stomach.? An internist. You think you want your dick cut off so you can be a woman? A surgeon.
Call your primary . What is the first thing you hear?
If this is an emergency go to the ER.
What they don't say is this. I will see you in 2 weeks after you get well.
America's health care sucks. It is super expensive. Doctors are now 9 to 5 workers. None of them ar general Practitioners any more they just send you from one Doctor to another. You have a rash? Your Doctor doesn't give you skin cream they send you to a Dermatologist, your arm hurt. Orthopedic Doctor. Stomach.? An internist. You think you want your dick cut off so you can be a woman? A surgeon.
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Sure. That's the basic ER experience I've heard described over and over and I believe it's generally true - crowded and extremely long wait times. And, yes, often it ends up effectively being free. But many people who use the ER actually pay for their services or have the costs covered somehow. Again, people's circumstances differ. I'd agree that the people who don't intend to (or can't) pay for their ER services would tend to be the people who wouldn't purchase coverage through an exchange. But some people would purchase such coverage and, again, IIRC the estimates for uptake on this were pretty low. I wouldn't think many people believe that half the newly-eligible people would buy coverage.
As a side note: My own experience with going to the ER (as a patient) is quite different from what I've heard from most people. Only once in my life, as an adult anyway, was I in bad enough shape to allow myself to be taken to the ER. And when I did I was either lucky or my natural charm paid dividends as I was taken back and attended to quite quickly. I'd actually describe the experience as pleasant.
Sneakers
Just sneakin' around....
That's been my experience as well. Quick triage and seen quickly by a nurse or doctor by ERs here (L'Town), NY and Virginia.
Is it possible that your insurance is reviewed and that has something to do with being seen quickly? I, and assuming most of us, have a decent insurance vs walk-ins with no insurance. It may be "free" to them, but costs them in wait times?
SamSpade
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YMMV. I do admit, it does have a bit to do with WHEN you go to the ER. With the responsbility of several elderly in the extended family, myself and others have found a rush to the hospital. Even right here in St Mary's County, IF a relative has an urgent need to go to the ER - such as last fall when upon leaving the doctor's office, the staff said to rush her to the ER - we arrived midday and she waited until evening. Wife had an emergeny this past January, and we were there until midnight. Some days, I could see a crowd waiting in the hallway, because there's no space to sit in the ER waiting area.
BUT - other times - rare ones - we sailed right in. Probably about a fourth of the time, but MOSTLY - because emergencies pop up late in the day.