Maryland: State's Right Supercedes Parent's Rights

[calamity jane]

Those who are concerned about the homosexuality subject matter being taught here in our counties need to contact the local BOE and see when it is being put on their curriculum.
If a poll were to be taken here in Calvert Co., I do not think 91% would be in favor, not if they understood the contents of the program of study.

 

[bcp]

The reason it was found not to be illegal was because to do so, at least under my reasons, would force religion on to the table.
Not so much because its a religious matter, its not. but because it would force the state board of ed to awknowledge religion and base a finding on that basis.
to do this would in some peoples eyes be a violation of the 1st amendment and therefore would be unconstitutional in its own rights.
However, as I mentioned above, the simple disregard for religious belief is also a violation.
so if they want to teach that homosexuality is acceptable, then they must also open up the floor for discussion on the part of those that do not agree.
the final outcome would be for the student to decide for themselves where they stand on the issue.
with the current plan, dissent will not be allowed, or tolerated.

 

[bcp]

Those who are concerned about the homosexuality subject matter being taught here in our counties need to contact the local BOE and see when it is being put on their curriculum.
If a poll were to be taken here in Calvert Co., I do not think 91% would be in favor, not if they understood the contents of the program of study.

and thats the same with MOCO.
the 91% number comes from the number of students that were allowed to take part in the experimental course.
however, it was never outlined in the first place that this would be the meat of the subject.
after the course, many of those parents complained. but that was not taken into account.
they stuck with the 91% number and used it to push their agenda through, even though it was well known that those same 91% did not approve once they found out the real story.

 

[kmw1123]

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Murder and homosexuality are both deviant behavior and unacceptable to normal society.

Fine, you're right, I'm wrong. Let's hunt them all down and throw them in jail for life, maybe even sentence them to death since they are both similar crimes against society. I dont know which is worse, being shot or having a gay man redecorate my house. Heaven forbid.

 

[bcp]

Fine, you're right, I'm wrong. Let's hunt them all down and throw them in jail for life, maybe even sentence them to death since they are both similar crimes against society. I dont know which is worse, being shot or having a gay man redecorate my house. Heaven forbid.

how about having your constitutional rights disregarded, would that be a bad thing for you?

since you are in such favor of denying the constitutional rights of what is most likely the majority of your students, I suggest you continue your conversation in this matter on the Democraticunderground. they will agree with you there.

in the meantime, Might I suggest you move to other portions of this forum and just get to know people, joke around with them etc.. you might find that you are well accepted by most of them.

 

[kmw1123]

Its not that I want homosexuality taught in schools against the wishes of the parents. Thats not my issue and if its against the constitution, then it shouldnt be taught. Im not passing my opinions off to my students and I'm not trying to teach them morals and religious values. All I ask is that if parents teach their kids that its wrong to be gay, please make sure that they are tolerant of others despite those beliefs. As educators, we have so many more important things to worry about and so many different things to teach so that your children can pass the MSAs. We should not have to deal with the interuptions in the classroom due to students bringing the hatred and indifference that they learn at home to school with them along with their incomplete homework.

 

[bcp]

kids are going to call other kids gay, fags whatever. sometimes, that name calling is going to be directed at someone that is gay. intentional or not.

now, my daughter is being taught that homosexuality is a sin, it is vile and it is wrong.
she would still be in deep doo doo at home if I ever got a call that she was instigating disruptive behaviour in school. and she knows that.

however, just as I will not tolerate her calling someone names based on their preference, or their parents preference, I will not encourage her to be friends with them, she will never be allowed to visit any home that this type of lifestyle is practiced in, and I will NOT tolerate any teacher or school official forcing an attitude that it is not morally correct and acceptable.

the harder they fight to become normal in the eyes of society, the harder we must fight to keep the truth in the front.

 

[2ndAmendment]

If you go back to the link in this post you'll see the legal arguments made by both sides. Granted, it wasn't a court of law, it was the write-up from the state board of education's lawyers based upon petitioning to the state board from Mont Co and the parents group. While I disagree with their findings, like I stated, I'm not a lawyer. A lot of case law seemed referenced.

I am not a lawyer, but from the viewpoint of the intent that the law of the United States was supposed to be able to be read by a person in one day and be understandable by the person of average intelligence, I think there must be lots of case law that is very flawed.

 

[This_person]

I am not a lawyer, but from the viewpoint of the intent that the law of the United States was supposed to be able to be read by a person in one day and be understandable by the person of average intelligence, I think there must be lots of case law that is very flawed.

I'd have to agree with you!

 

[2ndAmendment]

kids are going to call other kids gay, fags whatever. sometimes, that name calling is going to be directed at someone that is gay. intentional or not.

now, my daughter is being taught that homosexuality is a sin, it is vile and it is wrong.
she would still be in deep doo doo at home if I ever got a call that she was instigating disruptive behaviour in school. and she knows that.

however, just as I will not tolerate her calling someone names based on their preference, or their parents preference, I will not encourage her to be friends with them, she will never be allowed to visit any home that this type of lifestyle is practiced in, and I will NOT tolerate any teacher or school official forcing an attitude that it is morally correct and acceptable.

the harder they fight to become normal in the eyes of society, the harder we must fight to keep the truth in the front.

One of my son's friends is a homosexual cross dresser. I was not aware until he came out dressed in a pink and white sun dress with white stockings. I told my son that his friend was not welcome in our home if he was going to dress deviantly and it was not for Halloween.

 

[ItalianScallion]

Great comments from you folks on the side of righteousness. We didn't have any of these problems when God was allowed in schools. Thanks Madelyn Murray O'hare. Thanks to everyone who was silent when God was removed from schools. The only problems I remembered in school in the 60' & 70's was talking in class, chewing gum, not doing homework. That's why 2A, bcp, This person and a few others are right. We need to let parents teach morals & values to their kids. If they don't, then it's on the parents. Schools need to be required to teach only the truth. What if they taught that 1+1=3? What if you were a Christian and your child was taught muslim beliefs? IF the question comes up about homosexual lifestyles, the teacher should either tell the truth (that it's wrong) or say that you need to ask your parents. NEVER tell them it is OK and that they must tolerate it! They should NOT ridicule gay people, but they should not condone their "CHOICE" either by saying that it is ok for them to live that way. Remember this: Jesus healed all the sick who came to Him. If homosexuality was something they were born with, Jesus would have healed it too. But He didn't, because He already said it's a choice and a sin in God's eyes. Therefore, NO ONE IS BORN GAY but they should not be bashed or ridiculed by anyone. They are people. Emotionally sick, but still people that God cares about and many have come out of it.

 

[kmw1123]

IF the question comes up about homosexual lifestyles, the teacher should either tell the truth (that it's wrong) or say that you need to ask your parents.

Your truth is not THE truth. Your beliefs are not the ONLY beliefs. It is up to parents to teach the kids morals, so I will direct kids to ask their parents. I do not nor do I plan to share my opinions on this subject with students, but do not expect me to lie to them. And while you are busy teaching your kids about how wrong it is to be gay, why don't you also make sure that your kids are doing their homework, studying for tests, bringing materials to class, and generally becoming a productive member of society. You yourself might make sure your children are doing what they are supposed to in school, but there are too many parents who don't, and that's what is really threatening society.

 

[awpitt]

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Thanks to everyone who was silent when God was removed from schools. The only problems I remembered in school in the 60' & 70's was talking in class, chewing gum, not doing homework.

Prayer left school in ’62 (I think). The problems didn’t start then. The problems started when real discipline left the schools. Up until the early eighties, school principals were allowed to administer corporal punishment. Now they get to hand out demerits and pink slips or whatever and they send the kids home. If the parents so much as spank the kid, they end up in jail for child abuse. That’s when the problems started, not when prayer left schools. Religious teaching belongs at home along with moral teachings, not in the public schools. If anyone wants to live in a theocracy, they can move to Iran. It’s working so well there.[/font]

 

[awpitt]

You yourself might make sure your children are doing what they are supposed to in school, but there are too many parents who don't, and that's what is really threatening society.

Excellent point! My wife and I are always involved with our kids’ school. We’ve been told on many occasions by the teachers that they shouldn’t be able to remember us but they can because there are so few parents who are actually involved so the few parents who are involved are practically on a first name basis with the teachers. One difference between public and private schools is that private schools often require a certain level of parental involvement as a condition of enrollment.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><o></o>

 

[kmw1123]

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Prayer left school in ’62 (I think). The problems didn’t start then. The problems started when real discipline left the schools. Up until the early eighties, school principals were allowed to administer corporal punishment. Now they get to hand out demerits and pink slips or whatever and they send the kids home. If the parents so much as spank the kid, they end up in jail for child abuse. That’s when the problems started, not when prayer left schools. Religious teaching belongs at home along with moral teachings, not in the public schools. If anyone wants to live in a theocracy, they can move to Iran. It’s working so well there.[/font]

You bring up an awesome point!

 

[kmw1123]

Excellent point! My wife and I are always involved with our kids’ school. We’ve been told on many occasions by the teachers that they shouldn’t be able to remember us but they can because there are so few parents who are actually involved so the few parents who are involved are practically on a first name basis with the teachers. One difference between public and private schools is that private schools often require a certain level of parental involvement by parents as a condition of enrollment.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><o></o>

I can't tell you how grateful I am to the parents who actually take part in their children's education. I love getting emails and phone calls from parents who just want to check up on their child and make sure they are getting everything turned in on time. Too many parents make excuses for their children and do not hold them accountable for their actions. It's hard to enforce rules at school when they are not enforced at home. Growing up, I knew that if I brought home a bad grade on my report card, I wouldn't be watching tv or even seeing the light of day until I brought the grade up.

 

[ItalianScallion]

Your truth is not THE truth. Your beliefs are not the ONLY beliefs. It is up to parents to teach the kids morals, so I will direct kids to ask their parents. I do not nor do I plan to share my opinions on this subject with students, but do not expect me to lie to them. And while you are busy teaching your kids about how wrong it is to be gay, why don't you also make sure that your kids are doing their homework, studying for tests, bringing materials to class, and generally becoming a productive member of society. You yourself might make sure your children are doing what they are supposed to in school, but there are too many parents who don't, and that's what is really threatening society.

I agree with everything you just said except your first statement. My truth is God's truth straight from the Bible and that makes it the absolute truth by which all will be judged someday. And, in fact, I tell hundreds of kids every week about morals & manners, to study hard in school, don't waste time on a career that won't pay the bills and to do something that will help people, not just make you money. I agree that many parents don't do this. I know because I am responsible for their kids every friday night and they tell me this.

 

[ItalianScallion]

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Prayer left school in ’62 (I think). The problems didn’t start then. The problems started when real discipline left the schools. Up until the early eighties, school principals were allowed to administer corporal punishment. Now they get to hand out demerits and pink slips or whatever and they send the kids home. If the parents so much as spank the kid, they end up in jail for child abuse. That’s when the problems started, not when prayer left schools. Religious teaching belongs at home along with moral teachings, not in the public schools. If anyone wants to live in a theocracy, they can move to Iran. It’s working so well there.[/font]

For society to function morally & legally, biblical principles must be adhered to and taught to kids when they are young. Removing prayer & the 10 commandments was the beginning of the downfall in the schools. It took a while but it lead to the liberal movement that removed corporal punishment and parental discipline. In all the years of prayer in schools, there was never the kind of crimes that have been committed recently. Seeing "Thou shall not kill, steal, lie, etc., every day in school embedded morality in my mind. Today, without kids seeing that in school then watching what's on tv, what do you think they will retain? Don't be fooled! No God=rampant anarchy.

 

[This_person]

I agree with everything you just said except your first statement. My truth is God's truth straight from the Bible and that makes it the absolute truth by which all will be judged someday. And, in fact, I tell hundreds of kids every week about morals & manners, to study hard in school, don't waste time on a career that won't pay the bills and to do something that will help people, not just make you money. I agree that many parents don't do this. I know because I am responsible for their kids every friday night and they tell me this.

The first statement was your truth is not THE truth. That is true, unfortunately. We Christians have to, by law, recognize that this is not a theocracy, and our truth is not the only truth out there for people. We BELIEVE it is THE truth, but it's not THE truth for everybody. I think that was the point.

Most religions have very, very similar morals. Manners are needed to be taught, just as common courtesy - having nothing to do with truth or religion. I, personally, tell my kids to find a career they love doing, then set their bills to what they can afford on that income - money matters far less than happiness in what you're doing. Drive a cheap car and love what you're doing, you'll love the cheap car. Work at something you hate to get the big house and car and all you'll end up doing is hating/resenting the house and car more.

Either way, we have to allow everyone to have their own beliefs. The problem is, as it seems it always has been, that they also have to allow us to have ours. Just because we're the vast majority of Americans doesn't mean we have to NOT have our beliefs so others can have theirs. It means that everyone has to let everyone believe what they believe.

 

[awpitt]

Seeing "Thou shall not kill, steal, lie, etc., every day in school embedded morality in my mind.

As a Christian, I’d like to see the 10 commandments displayed in the schools but it doesn’t take the 10 commandments to teach right form wrong and displays and teachings from my Bible shouldn’t prevail over the beliefs of others. With or without the 10 commandments things like killing, assault, stealing, lying, etc. are already against the rules at school. At least they are at my kid’s school. I’ve just seen 14 pages of this thread saying how morals should be taught at home. Well, people can’t say that and then moan about religion being taken out of the schools.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><o></o>