Maryland: State's Right Supercedes Parent's Rights

[2ndAmendment]

....'sexual preference' ring any bells?

There always has been and always will be some homosexuals; people whose desires are stronger for their gender than the opposite one. That is throughout all history, throughout all cultures, religions and creeds.

FWIW, I am not for any sort of preferential treatment for anyone, gay, straight, black, white, female, male or any group. Preferential treatment is blatantly unconstitutional.

The anger, hostility and outright ugliness that comes from my side on this issue is one of the driving forces behind pushing for preference. It is NORMAL for politics to feature cries of maltreatment, be it taxes, zoning, schooling, whatever. It is NORMAL to fight tooth and nail for your view.

It is NORMAL to fight back. Just spare me the dehumanizing. It makes us sound like a bunch of Nazi's, the truly lowest form of life on this planet, ever.

And I know you are not religious, but so lets couch this in the biological reason for sexual relations. Sex, pleasurable or not (a male black widow or praying mantis may not find it so pleasurable since most of the time they are killed by the female), is supposed to be the means of procreation. There is no way sex between two men or two women can lead to procreation. Therefore homosexual sex is abnormal.

 

[bohman]

You might not like it, you might not think its right, you might not even allow your child to be friends with someone like that, and thats fine with me, but please do not encourage them to be openly hateful and violent. Thats all I ask.

And that's just fine. I actually agree with you, 100%. But you haven't addressed the point of this thread, which Bob summed up pretty nicely:

Now the government body as in the State Board of Education, is telling us "This is what we are going to teach your kids about morality, like it or not" and according to what I read there will be no form to sign to keep your kids out of the class, because they said they know better than any parent and the kids MUST learn this.

I remember my time in school, and how hateful kids can be to one another, and how much damage that can do to a person. So I understand your feelings, but the point here is that the state decided that parents' views don't matter, and won't be taken into consideration. It's a godawful shame that in this case, resistance to the school's agenda is so closely tied to religious justifications: It gives supporters of the agenda the opportunity to say, "we're a public institution, can't teach religion, so your views are invalid". The religious ties to this issue are moot - the point is that the school is ignoring parents, regardless of why the parents are complaining.

 

[2ndAmendment]

...parents do NOT have an absolute right to raise their children as they see fit. To argue otherwise is to not consider what that actually means.

As long as the parents are not abusing their children, they do.

 

[ylexot]

Actually, I'm quasi-serious. I'm sure that the kids would actually pay attention. Of course, it's rated TV-MA and I'm sure there are some offensive things in there.

 

[2ndAmendment]

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I think gay is odd as all hell but I do not think it is to be feared. A bit of education may not be so bad. If anyone disagrees, feel free, fight back, march on the schools. Grab pitch forks and torches. By any means necessary.

When the fire and brimstone start, you might not want to be in the general vicinity of a homosexual population.

I do not like that the word "gay" has been hijacked. Fred, Barney, Wilma, and Betty were not homosexual but they did have a "gay ol' time." Gay is happy, homosexual is queer.

 

[Geek]

And I know you are not religious, but so lets couch this in the biological reason for sexual relations. Sex, pleasurable or not (a male black widow or praying mantis may not find it so pleasurable since most of the time they are killed by the female), is supposed to be the means of procreation. There is no way sex between two men or two women can lead to procreation. Therefore homosexual sex is abnormal.

So a man with a vasectomy should not have sex? It is abnormal?

 

[awpitt]

When the fire and brimstone start, you might not want to be in the general vicinity of a homosexual population.

I do not like that the word "gay" has been hijacked. Fred, Barney, Wilma, and Betty were not homosexual but they did have a "gay ol' time." Gay is happy, homosexual is queer.

Actually, queer is another word that’s been hijacked. It originally meant strange.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queer

 

[Midnightrider]

So a man with a vasectomy should not have sex? It is abnormal?

and dont forget that sex at any time one knows a child cannot be concieved is abnormal too. you know like 90% of the month......
therefore, 90% of hetero sex is abnormal or immoral

 

[2ndAmendment]

So a man with a vasectomy should not have sex? It is abnormal?

Humans, to my knowledge, are the only species to practice birth control. As I understand it, Catholics don't approve of any kind of birth control, so in that sense, I guess that would be true.

Make up your own mind. I have my moral set and homosexual behavior is deviant in that set. I have the right to teach my kids that homosexual behavior is deviant behavior. All questions will be answered when we pass from this life and then we will know perfectly. In my universe view, there will be lots of people going "But you don't exist."

 

[Larry Gude]

Yep...

And I know you are not religious, but so lets couch this in the biological reason for sexual relations. Sex, pleasurable or not (a male black widow or praying mantis may not find it so pleasurable since most of the time they are killed by the female), is supposed to be the means of procreation. There is no way sex between two men or two women can lead to procreation. Therefore homosexual sex is abnormal.

...and it happens in nature, sex for pleasure, what we'd call gang rape, homosexual behavior, snuff sex as you mentioned, frequently. So, now what? The other animals don't freak out about it. They're animals. It's meaningless to them. So, why don't we just keep it in the human rhealm and give it a societal context?

Adam and Eve didn't say 'let's procreate'. They did the same thing we all do at some point; flat out follow our passions. Is it abnormal to have sex for pleasure?

 

[Larry Gude]

And it is...

Make up your own mind. I have my moral set and homosexual behavior is deviant in that set. I have the right to teach my kids that homosexual behavior is deviant behavior.

...deviant. I just don't set it apart as some sort of super-sin. You told me in your faith all sin is equal. There's all sorts of sin people don't repent, right?

As far as me and religion, I think of myself as agnostic; I'm not a person of faith BUT I don't know the truth as a matter of fact as it is a matter of faith and I won't know until I'm dead. That much I do know.

No one can no know for sure or it wouldn't be faith anymore.

 

[Larry Gude]

And who...

As long as the parents are not abusing their children, they do.

...gets to define what abuse is?


That's right.

 

[ImnoMensa]

Its insane. How could anyone in their right mind pass anything like this?

I dont care who appointed these people they need to be replaced en masse by people who have a semblance of morality, normality,spirituality,and "straight" personality.

 

[Larry Gude]

I'm dead...

Actually, I'm quasi-serious. I'm sure that the kids would actually pay attention. Of course, it's rated TV-MA and I'm sure there are some offensive things in there.

...serious; South Park is some of the best social commentary and analysis there is on TV.

They do a fantastic job of presenting issues as they are, not as people try to spin them.

 

[Larry Gude]

There are not...

Its insane. How could anyone in their right mind pass anything like this?

I dont care who appointed these people they need to be replaced en masse by people who have a semblance of morality, normality,spirituality,and "straight" personality.

...enough people who think it is insane to do anything about it.

At least at this point.

 

[T.Rally]

And I know you are not religious, but so lets couch this in the biological reason for sexual relations. Sex, pleasurable or not (a male black widow or praying mantis may not find it so pleasurable since most of the time they are killed by the female), is supposed to be the means of procreation. There is no way sex between two men or two women can lead to procreation. Therefore homosexual sex is abnormal.

I think it goes something like this;

The purpose of sex is to reproduce, the purpose of the pleasure involved is to bond, the purpose of the bond is to create a mutual co-existance between the man and woman so that their children are given good nurturing- nurturing required by both parents of both genders.

 

[T.Rally]

...enough people who think it is insane to do anything about it.

At least at this point.

Yes there are, we just send our kids to private school.

 

[bcp]

Originally Posted by kmw1123
You might not like it, you might not think its right, you might not even allow your child to be friends with someone like that, and thats fine with me, but please do not encourage them to be openly hateful and violent. Thats all I ask.

However it is perfectly ok for the school to teach the children that their parents, and their religious beliefs are totally wrong, hateful and immoral?

I dont think so.

if greater hate arises from this whole thing, it will be on the shoulders of a gay loving school board, not the parents.

homosexuality is an immoral lifestyle, and as such, my child will be taught that it is. She will understand the reason behind this foolish class is to try and discredit religion, and to try and force the morals of this country to fall even lower.

I wonder how those that agree with this whole issue would feel if the schools suddenly were to start teaching that Christianity is not only normal, but acceptable and something to be embraced.

 

[This_person]

To clarify my statement: The state has said that it's rights to our children's minds overrides ours as parents. The Board said: the "right (of parents) is not absolute. It must bend to the State's duty to educate its citizens."
I, as a law abiding, tax paying, responsible citizen, have the right to raise my child as I see fit. I have the right to teach my child what is moral or immoral behavior. The states duty is to educate our children, not expose them or promote to them, unhealthy, immoral sexual lifestyles.

Let's make sure we're putting the blame where it belongs. That state of Maryland didn't say this. They quoted the United States Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit (opinion written by Williams, C.J., August 10, 2005). The decision in Myers v Loudoun County basically said: you have the right to raise your child any way you see fit (with obvious limits of abuse, etc). If you don't like what the state provides in "free" education, you have many other options. It's not that you don't have the right to have your child not hear it, you do have that right. If your beliefs are outside of the school boards, go somewhere else. What Maryland's state Board of Ed didn't do was say "well, that's dumb, let's keep it out of the curriculum of Montgomery County until more information can be obtained".

 

[2ndAmendment]

Adam and Eve didn't say 'let's procreate'. They did the same thing we all do at some point; flat out follow our passions. Is it abnormal to have sex for pleasure?

Didn't say that. I said that the biological reason for sex is procreation.