Maryland: State's Right Supercedes Parent's Rights

[RadioPatrol]

Thanks for the bold. I'm not blind Sorry I skimmed through the article and didn't clearly read that sentence. Don't take your anger out on me.

not angry dear ........... lol I just wanted to make sure in all the discourse the original point was not missed .............

 

[czygvtwkr]

Oh give me one good reason not based on religion that gay couples can't have equal protection under the law.

The whole sexual deviant thing is based on religion. I'm a heterosexual, married, mother of three. There is no way any other couple getting married devalues my marriage in anyway. Divorce does more damage to marriages than homosexuals ever could.

Why do couples have to be married? Why cant I move in with a new chick each week and both of us get all the same benefits of married people such as insurance etc?

 

[RadioPatrol]

Why do couples have to be married? Why cant I move in with a new chick each week and both of us get all the same benefits of married people such as insurance etc?

because insurance compnaiesa are cheap and would be constantly paying out for your 'ho of the week to get something done ............

 

[Dork]

when something like this surfaces, you can expect that people will respond with hatefull speach out of pure anger.

The state has no right to control how a child looks at moral issues, that is up to the parents to teach.

the argument for not allowing the mention of religion in schools is that it is an indoctrination into religion. It has been stated that any religious belief should come from the home, not the school.

This is no different. The article claims that it will be taught as an acceptable lifestye, and then goes on to say that no comments that would be considered against homosexuality will be allowed.

The state is overstepping its rights to your children in this issue, and it needs to be stopped before they can go any farther.

Schools should be teaching the basics, math, science, english, art, music. To include a political view is not in the scope of what the school should be doing.

as a parent, it is my job to teach my child family values, not the states.
I refuse to allow my daughter to be coherced by a liberal leaning agenda to accept those things that we know are wrong. all this has done is forced me to teach her that homosexuality is a vile sin, and I can no longer sit back and wait for her to make her own decision. She must have both sides of the issue in order to make an informed decision, and the school is not willing to do that.

 

[Mikeinsmd]

I'm a heterosexual, married, mother of three. There is no way any other couple getting married devalues my marriage in anyway. Divorce does more damage to marriages than homosexuals ever could.

Before I read this far, I really wanted to be mean (cuz I'm good at it) and ask you when as a male you realized you were a fayg and became a tranny.

Now that I read the entire thread and saw your ridiculous comments about the constitution, I've concluded that you're just another clueless liberal.

Then again, you could be a married tranny with 3 adopted kids (poor things).

BTW, divorce doesn't damage marriage, it ends it. That's all.

 

[Lenny]

What exactly is the "gay lifestyle"? Do they have parties? Is cake served?

Not too much cake but lots of cream pie.

 

[Dork]

Before I read this far, I really wanted to be mean (cuz I'm good at it) and ask you when as a male you realized you were a fayg and became a tranny.

Now that I read the entire thread and saw your ridiculous comments about the constitution, I've concluded that you're just another clueless liberal.

Then again, you could be a married tranny with 3 adopted kids (poor things).

BTW, divorce doesn't damage marriage, it ends it. That's all.

I'm with you Mike. I don't think anyone is that impressed with Gwenny. Just another brain dead liberal.

 

[kmw1123]

Ok, when I first started reading this thread, I didn't have any intention on responding, but now I just can't help it.

As a teacher in the Maryland public school system, I must first say that you are blowing this way out of proportion. School systems are in no way planning to show your children gay porn or anything of that nature. It is simply a plan to show children that there are different ways of living and that being gay is nothing to be ashamed of. You have to admit that it has become a huge part of today's society. Just turn on the TV or go to the movies and its there. And for those of you who watch "adult" videos, especially the ones targeted for straight men, you know you like a little girl on girl action, so don't act like you are too disgusted by homosexuality.

Secondly, and most importantly, its about teaching children TOLERANCE. Do we not remember what happened at Columbine, Virginia Tech, and the many other acts of violence that seem to keep repeating themselves in our schools? Too many children are not being taught tolerance, whether it be religion, sexual preference, race, nationality, rich or poor, or any other reason that we may be considered different in society. As a teacher, I see this all the time and I do not encourage the teasing and bullying that occur because of those differences. Would you rather your children be taught to hate those who were different?

And before anyone says anything stupid, no I am not a lesbian, tranny, or any thing of that nature. I am just someone who does not want to see any child hurt or teased because of their differences.

 

[Lenny]

I'm with you Mike. I don't think anyone is that impressed with Gwenny. Just another brain dead liberal.

I think she's TRuby's MPD.

 

[MMDad]

I think she's TRuby's MPD.

I have the perfect test to find out. She won't be able to resist!

Hey Gwendolyn! Global Warming is fake!

 

[T.Rally]

Ok, when I first started reading this thread, I didn't have any intention on responding, but now I just can't help it.

As a teacher in the Maryland public school system, I must first say that you are blowing this way out of proportion. School systems are in no way planning to show your children gay porn or anything of that nature. It is simply a plan to show children that there are different ways of living and that being gay is nothing to be ashamed of. You have to admit that it has become a huge part of today's society. Just turn on the TV or go to the movies and its there. And for those of you who watch "adult" videos, especially the ones targeted for straight men, you know you like a little girl on girl action, so don't act like you are too disgusted by homosexuality.

Secondly, and most importantly, its about teaching children TOLERANCE. Do we not remember what happened at Columbine, Virginia Tech, and the many other acts of violence that seem to keep repeating themselves in our schools? Too many children are not being taught tolerance, whether it be religion, sexual preference, race, nationality, rich or poor, or any other reason that we may be considered different in society. As a teacher, I see this all the time and I do not encourage the teasing and bullying that occur because of those differences. Would you rather your children be taught to hate those who were different?

And before anyone says anything stupid, no I am not a lesbian, tranny, or any thing of that nature. I am just someone who does not want to see any child hurt or teased because of their differences.

You're making the assumption that a person is born gay, and while that may be true, the jury is really still out on that. No one can say for sure , that a gay gene exists. Its never been proven.

Whatever happened to the adage of "sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me"? We're becoming a nation of softies that get offended by the littlest things.

Self esteem is overrated.

 

[This_person]

...It is simply a plan to show children that there are different ways of living and that being gay is nothing to be ashamed of.
Secondly, and most importantly, its about teaching children TOLERANCE.

As a teacher, I'm sure you realize there is a difference between "tolerance" and "acceptance". When you say that something is "simply a plan", many people don't think the plan is all that minor. Many people (let's call them the majority) think that acting on homosexuality IS something to be ashamed of. Call it a birth defect. "But, they were born that way" is a common reason to "accept" homosexuality. Well, I know someone who was born a cleptomaniac. She doesn't WANT to be a cleptomaniac, she was born that way. Should she be exempt from the laws? Should she be accepted for what she is? Nope, I don't think so. And, I don't want the schools to come up with "simply a plan to show (MY) children that there are different ways" of being.

You have to admit that it has become a huge part of today's society. Just turn on the TV or go to the movies and its there.

I see an incredible amount of premarital sex, a a cornicopia of drugs being used, selfishness, crudeness, sleaziness, rudeness..... all of these things being demonstrated by the TV shows and movies and popular music. I don't accept those things, either. I tolerate that our society is slipping into a moral abyss, because I can't change it. But, I'm not a lemming, and I don't raise lemmings. My children know right from wrong whether their teacher, the TV shows, or the movie they're watching calls it right or wrong or not.

And for those of you who watch "adult" videos, especially the ones targeted for straight men, you know you like a little girl on girl action, so don't act like you are too disgusted by homosexuality.

Realize, people's anger here isn't that they don't tolerate certain things, it's that they don't want the state of Maryland determining the moralities their children are being taught. I'm not sure what you do with your free time, but "adult" videos that you're describing are not tolerated nor accepted in most households, especially not for my children. As a teacher, I hope you don't think that society has that in it like you see homosexuality in in society, because you may see it okay to teach kids the videos, too. After all, if your argument for homosexuality is that it's in the movies, and you see the adult movies as a norm........

Do we not remember what happened at Columbine, Virginia Tech, and the many other acts of violence that seem to keep repeating themselves in our schools?

Those instances of which you speak, and so many others like them out there, don't demonstrate to me a lack of homosexual teaching, or even a lack of tolerance. They demonstrate to me a lack of parental supervision, and a lack of moral standards being strictly enforced. Those children believed too much in society's standards, and not enough in standards taught from home.

Too many children are not being taught tolerance, whether it be religion, sexual preference, race, nationality, rich or poor, or any other reason that we may be considered different in society. As a teacher, I see this all the time and I do not encourage the teasing and bullying that occur because of those differences. Would you rather your children be taught to hate those who were different?

Hate, no. Accept everything about everyone, NO. Look up tolerance, then look up acceptance. Realize what you are asking, by teaching homosexuality as just a societal norm, is to teach acceptance, not tolerance.

And before anyone says anything stupid, no I am not a lesbian, tranny, or any thing of that nature. I am just someone who does not want to see any child hurt or teased because of their differences.

Then, when they reach real life, and their mom and dad and teacher are not there anymore, and they don't measure up in some way to someone, how are they going to know how to handle such a situation if they've never experienced it? If Jimmy can't throw a football, and you don't want him teased for his differences, so you make him the quarterback of your team, how does he know later how to handle it when the Steelers won't hire him? How does he know how to handle it when a coworker gets promoted first, because they're better at the job, or just because they've been there longer and are more experienced? People are different, and even children need to learn to embrace those differences where they are good, and shun those differences where they are not good. My cleptomaniac friend, not a good difference. I don't throw her away as a friend, though, because I'm tolerant. But I don't teach that her "lifestyle" and "difference" is something to be accepted.

 

[kmw1123]

You're making the assumption that a person is born gay, and while that may be true, the jury is really still out on that. No one can say for sure , that a gay gene exists. Its never been proven.

Whatever happened to the adage of "sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me"? We're becoming a nation of softies that get offended by the littlest things.

Self esteem is overrated.

It would be nice if it was only "names", but too often than not these incidents are resulting in physical violence. It doesnt matter if there is a gay gene or not. There are many different choices that people make that affect the way we live that arent genetic, but that doesnt make it right to look down upon them.

 

[Sharon]

There are many different choices that people make that affect the way we live that arent genetic, but that doesnt make it right to look down upon them.

:kumbuyah:



Many people don't want to be told how to make that choice for their family.

 

[kmw1123]

As a teacher, I'm sure you realize there is a difference between "tolerance" and "acceptance". When you say that something is "simply a plan", many people don't think the plan is all that minor. Many people (let's call them the majority) think that acting on homosexuality IS something to be ashamed of. Call it a birth defect. "But, they were born that way" is a common reason to "accept" homosexuality. Well, I know someone who was born a cleptomaniac. She doesn't WANT to be a cleptomaniac, she was born that way. Should she be exempt from the laws? Should she be accepted for what she is? Nope, I don't think so.

Last time I checked, stealing was a crime. Loving someone, whether straight or gay, is not a crime. This is not about giving someone false hope like making them the quarterback when they suck at football just to make them feel better. Its about teaching kids that its ok to be different and its nothing to be ashamed of. In a perfect world, schools wouldnt have to take on the undertaking of teaching kids morals, but in reality teachers spend more time with kids than alot of parents. There are alot of parents that dont talk to their kids about anything, including sex, homework, or even how their day went. You dont have to teach your kids all about gays and lesbians and promote their way of living, but you also dont have to teach them that they are bad people and deserve to be ridiculed. I doubt very seriously that kids are going to be shown how to have gay sex in their sex ed classes. If you do not want your kids to learn about homosexuality in school, simply sign the form and keep your kids out of the class. Its that simple.

 

[Nanny Pam]

After reading this I told my wife that we needed to leave Maryland and move back to America.
Might start looking in Virginia up by front royal. I think God is still allowed up there.

of course, thinking of the mountains brings back that deleverance thing.....
wonder how Ned is doing these days.

You are on a roll!

 

[Sharon]

Its about teaching kids that its ok to be different and its nothing to be ashamed of.

You still don't get it.

Opposition groups argued that the new lessons violate free-speech rights of students by expressing only one viewpoint on homosexuality, wholly favorable, and that they restrict religious expression by suppressing the view that homosexuality is a sin. They said the lessons violate the constitutional right of equal protection by excluding the perspective of former homosexuals and also the fundamental right of a parent to control the upbringing of a child.

 

[Sharon]

And the worst part...

And although a parent does have a right to control the upbringing of a child, "that right is not absolute. It must bend to the State's duty to educate its citizens," the state board wrote.

...which is totally unacceptable to many parents. Keep the curriculum to reading, writing, math, science, etc...

 

[This_person]

Last time I checked, stealing was a crime. Loving someone, whether straight or gay, is not a crime.

Let's say that we were going to teach how to eat a pork chop to a group of students, including the Muslim one. Would that be okay, just teaching the Muslim that it's a different way of life, and they need to tolerate it? Or, would that be morally repugnant to the Muslim? And, that's just FOOD.

True, it's not a crime (unless you act on that love. Sodomy is still a crime in most states). But, it's morally repugnant to a large group of the population.

This is not about giving someone false hope like making them the quarterback when they suck at football just to make them feel better. Its about teaching kids that its ok to be different and its nothing to be ashamed of.

Some differences do need a bit of social conditioning as an assist to a child. A rude child isn't just living a different lifestyle, they need to be corrected. A selfish child needs corrected. Often (at least, it's worked this way for hundreds of years), peer pressure is what provides the POSITIVE feedback.

However, none of this is germaine to what we're discussing. The idea here is that many people don't want the schools deciding what's morally acceptable by teaching that something they find morally UNacceptable is just a difference that should be treated as a norm. A> It's not a norm. Real scientific studies have shown it to be about 1.5% of the human population. That's not a norm, that's a statistical anomoly. B> It is not in the interest of society. It's a condition that over and over again has proved to be a de-stabilizing force in society. C> Whether it's a birth defect or a "choice" is actually still out for debate, but I opt for birth defect personally. Regardless, acting on it is not something I want taught as an acceptable norm.

In a perfect world, schools wouldnt have to take on the undertaking of teaching kids morals, but in reality teachers spend more time with kids than alot of parents. There are alot of parents that dont talk to their kids about anything, including sex and,homework, or even how their day went.

Are you saying here that you, as a teacher, believe that you DO have to take on the teaching of morals? Because, in your view, you spend more time with some of the kids? No offence, but that's an incredible gall you have. Let me make it clear to you - YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE ON TEACHING MORALS. At least not in your curriculum. As a teacher, it's expected you uphold your community standards, but not TEACH morals.

You dont have to teach your kids all about gays and lesbians and promote their way of living, but you also dont have to teach them that they are bad people and deserve to be ridiculed.

You're right, I don't HAVE to teach either of those things. What I choose, as their parent, to teach about homosexuality is MY choice, not the State of Maryland's. I'm glad you recognize that. Kind of makes the whole point outside of that statement moot, doesn't it?

I doubt very seriously that kids are going to be shown how to have gay sex in their sex ed classes. If you do not want your kids to learn about homosexuality in school, simply sign the form and keep your kids out of the class. Its that simple.

It's not that simple. I, too, doubt that the kids will be shown HOW to have gay sex. I do think they'll be taught that it's an acceptable thing, though, and I disagree with that.

But, it's not as simple as signing a form and keeping my kids out of that class. As a responsible citizen, if I think the school is doing something wrong, I have an obligation to DO something about it. I find your social apathy about how to deal with a situation tolerable, because it's your choice, but unacceptable for how I would act or raise my chidlren to act. I hope this little example you've provided helps clear up the difference.

 

[T.Rally]

It would be nice if it was only "names", but too often than not these incidents are resulting in physical violence. It doesnt matter if there is a gay gene or not. There are many different choices that people make that affect the way we live that arent genetic, but that doesnt make it right to look down upon them.

And we all wonder why we raised a generation of children who believe it's all about them. I have come to belive that the 80s teenagers were the last segment of a generation that believed that world didn't revolve around them. Their problems, no matter how serious, were nothing in compared to the problems of the rest of world. We went to school when teachers would paddle your ass if you looked at them wrong. And you sure as hell weren't going to go home and tell your folks about it because then you'd get it again. Despite all your best efforts to the contrary, the schools were going to educate you. They didn't care if they flunked your dumbass three times over, you either learned or you dropped out, self esteem be damned.

School and life in general is a competition, awards shouldn't be given for coming in last. We didn't cry about it and we sure as hell weren't going to shoot up the school over it either. You didn't like something, you got over it. You see, we had problems but so did the whole effing world. Hell, our schools still had bomb fall out shelters, we thought the USSR was going to nuke our asses and destroy the world thirty times over, we thought we could get AIDS from a handshake, we just knew the ozone layer would be depleted and we all die of skin cancer and we would have to move south to avoid the ice age that would cover half of North America in ice.