Maryland: State's Right Supercedes Parent's Rights

[kmw1123]

Stealing is a crime. I am alot more concerned about someone stealing my car or purse than someone being gay. Sodomy may be against the law in some places, but it doesnt just apply to anal sex between two men. Sodomy also includes oral sex between members of the opposite sex. So I'm guessing any man who's ever enjoyed a good blow job should also be condemned to an eternity of fire and brimstone.

 

[This_person]

Stealing is a crime. I am alot more concerned about someone stealing my car or purse than someone being gay. Sodomy may be against the law in some places, but it doesnt just apply to anal sex between two men. Sodomy also includes oral sex between members of the opposite sex. So I'm guessing any man who's ever enjoyed a good blow job should also be condemned to an eternity of fire and brimstone.

Stealing is a crime and sodomy is a crime. If we're keeping religion out of this, what's the difference from a legal standpoint? Why would the state-run schools say "acting on this is a crime, but you should respect and empathize with those who do it" for one act and not the other? Because of people's fear of one over the other?

Besides, if you ever meet someone who has had something other than a "good" heterosexual blowjob, I'd be surprised!

 

[Midnightrider]

Stealing is a crime and sodomy is a crime. If we're keeping religion out of this, what's the difference from a legal standpoint? Why would the state-run schools say "acting on this is a crime, but you should respect and empathize with those who do it" for one act and not the other? Because of people's fear of one over the other?

Besides, if you ever meet someone who has had something other than a "good" heterosexual blowjob, I'd be surprised!

Ever hear of victimless crime?

lets be honest, the only reason sodomy is a crime is because of fear and hate.
Its a good way to judge people and make them lesser citizens.

as for the "paying to have them taught the opposite in school" argument. I am willing to bet that happens now. For instance, you seem like a religious person, but if your children go to public school they are being taught evolution. If you dont agree withit, you tell your kids why and raise them the way you want.
I know there are certain things taught at the school i disagree with, but i make sure my kid knows my values and understands why i feel the way i do. I also know i have a bigger influence over their morals than teachers do.

 

[kmw1123]

Actually, I was wrong. According to the US Supreme Court in the case of Lawrence vs Texas in 2003, anti-homosexual laws involving sodomy were invalidated in all 50 states, Washington DC, and Puerto Rico. Therefore, being gay and having gay sex is no longer a crime punishable by a court of law.

 

[This_person]

Ever hear of victimless crime?

lets be honest, the only reason sodomy is a crime is because of fear and hate.
Its a good way to judge people and make them lesser citizens.

So, what you're saying is, the reason we can't teach them the same is that one isn't really a crime, it's just on the books that way. The reason behind the crime being a crime makes it not a crime. So, we can pick and choose which laws we want to follow, and which ones we don't, based upon our perception of the reason of the crime being a crime?

as for the "paying to have them taught the opposite in school" argument. I am willing to bet that happens now. For instance, you seem like a religious person, but if your children go to public school they are being taught evolution. If you dont agree withit, you tell your kids why and raise them the way you want.
I know there are certain things taught at the school i disagree with, but i make sure my kid knows my values and understands why i feel the way i do. I also know i have a bigger influence over their morals than teachers do.

I feel I am fairly religious, and I have no problem with evolution being taught as a theory. That's all it is, and I give it the full weight of being a plausible theory. It would just be dumb to not listen to people's theories. I read "Inherit the Wind", and really agree with it as a way of reconciling evolution with creation. Hey, God only told us what we NEED to know via the writings of people into the Bible, not everything we WANT to know.

I also agree that I have more effect on my kids than school so far as morals go. But, why make it harder by putting things in the schools that go against the community standards? That go against the communities laws? Why not teach not to discriminate, instead of teaching the positive effects of respect towards something that the community doesn't respect?

 

[This_person]

Actually, I was wrong. According to the US Supreme Court in the case of Lawrence vs Texas in 2003, anti-homosexual laws involving sodomy were invalidated in all 50 states, Washington DC, and Puerto Rico. Therefore, being gay and having gay sex is no longer a crime punishable by a court of law.

by your font size, I'm guessing you're pretty happy about that!

 

[ItalianScallion]

I've read this statement a half dozen times and for some reason Taliban fruitcake keeps coming to mind.

The difference is that Biblical truth has been proven correct by things that you might not want to believe. You WILL see someday.

 

[kmw1123]

by your font size, I'm guessing you're pretty happy about that!

I was just really suprised by it. I had no idea that this decision was ever made. This could be why school systems now want to teach tolerance for homosexuality because it is no longer considered a crime and more and more people are feeling free to come out.

 

[Midnightrider]

So, what you're saying is, the reason we can't teach them the same is that one isn't really a crime, it's just on the books that way. The reason behind the crime being a crime makes it not a crime. So, we can pick and choose which laws we want to follow, and which ones we don't, based upon our perception of the reason of the crime being a crime?

we pick and choose everyday which of the laws we want to break and follow. people speed all the time. Some people smoke in places it is illegal. Some people smoke things that are illegal. Some people feel that the laws against plural marraige are wrong and therefore break them....
I say we are free to choose what laws we want to break, we just have to pay the consquences when we get caught.
and yes, the reason behind a crime being a crime does make a difference. If a law is enacted with the purpose of discrimination, then i think it should rightly be ignored.

I also agree that I have more effect on my kids than school so far as morals go. But, why make it harder by putting things in the schools that go against the community standards? That go against the communities laws? Why not teach not to discriminate, instead of teaching the positive effects of respect towards something that the community doesn't respect?

I think the community as a group has decided that it does respect gay people and their choice or condiction, however you want to charecterize it.
That is why it is being taught in the schools, gayness, or heteroness are equally legal in the eyes of the community.

 

[Merlin99]

The difference is that Biblical truth has been proven correct by things that you might not want to believe. You WILL see someday.

And the radical muslims say exactly the same thing, I have exactly the same amount of respect for their opinions.

 

[Midnightrider]

The difference is that Biblical truth has been proven correct by things that you might not want to believe. You WILL see someday.

WOW, call the taliban and they answer

 

[This_person]

I was just really suprised by it. I had no idea that this decision was ever made. This could be why school systems now want to teach tolerance for homosexuality because it is no longer considered a crime and more and more people are feeling free to come out.

I am surprised, also, I knew nothing of it. I'll rescind that one of my arguments.

 

[Larry Gude]

Well...

Huh?

...you wrote;

If homosexual behavior is promulgated as being normal to the children and more and more people become homosexual and heterosexual sex becomes the abnormal in the eyes of society (fat used to be pretty and trim ugly on women) and the society passes laws against heterosexual behavior. How long does the species last? One generation? Two if there is lots of illegal heterosexual activity going on?

...by 'promulgate' I presumed you were referring to schools telling kids being gay is OK. Therefore, I am presuming that, to you, school teaching that being gay is OK is going to motivate kids, in numbers large enough to doom us all, to have only gay sex.

Also, I missed the part where they are teaching that straight sex is abnormal.

And who is advocating laws to ban heterosexual contact?

I gathered that your thought is what the school board is up to is powerful enough to 'make' people gay.

 

[ItalianScallion]

However it is perfectly ok for the school to teach the children that their parents, and their religious beliefs are totally wrong, hateful and immoral?
homosexuality is an immoral lifestyle, and as such, my child will be taught that it is. She will understand the reason behind this foolish class is to try and discredit religion, and to try and force the morals of this country to fall even lower.
I wonder how those that agree with this whole issue would feel if the schools suddenly were to start teaching that Christianity is not only normal, but acceptable and something to be embraced.

And there it is! Most people don't see that the devil is slow & deliberate. He knew that, by taking prayer, Bible reading & the 10 out of schools, the door would soon be opened to the acceptance of immorality. Kick God out and anything goes! Now who's to say, WITHOUT GOD'S MORAL RULES, what's right or wrong? Hedonism is where it's at. The only thing is that God is still in charge and there will be a judgement day coming to a neighborhood near you VERY SOON! Tolerance of homosexuality, means that we understand what it is but that it's wrong. We don't have to like or accept it, but we shouldn't teach kids to hate THEM. Hate what they do, but NEVER condone it. You really don't know what your kid might hear in their "tolerance" class so it might be best to opt them out and tell them yourselves.

 

[Larry Gude]

Ok...

...serious; South Park is some of the best social commentary and analysis there is on TV.

They do a fantastic job of presenting issues as they are, not as people try to spin them.

Red karma;

This post explains SO much...~PJ

South Park never made you laugh and go; That's funny because it's so true!?

If you actually watched South Park and, knowing how you feel about gays, you wouldn't be giving red, you'd be giving green.

You see, in several episodes, SP makes great fun of illustrating societies overboard hyper sensitivity to homosexuals and...never mind. You didn't watch.

 

[Midnightrider]

And there it is! Most people don't see that the devil is slow & deliberate. He knew that, by taking prayer, Bible reading & the 10 out of schools, the door would soon be opened to the acceptance of immorality. Kick God out and anything goes! Now who's to say, WITHOUT GOD'S MORAL RULES, what's right or wrong? Hedonism is where it's at. The only thing is that God is still in charge and there will be a judgement day coming to a neighborhood near you VERY SOON! Tolerance of homosexuality, means that we understand what it is but that it's wrong. We don't have to like or accept it, but we shouldn't teach kids to hate THEM. Hate what they do, but NEVER condone it. You really don't know what your kid might hear in their "tolerance" class so it might be best to opt them out and tell them yourselves.

your kid might just hear that the lifestyle you have pushed him into with your hate is OK.

 

[ItalianScallion]

WOW, call the taliban and they answer

You're another one that is condemning yourself with your words. You have the right to your opinion but every word is bringing you closer to judgement. You know little about the Bible but say much; very dangerous my friend.

 

[Midnightrider]

You're another one that is condemning yourself with your words. You have the right to your opinion but every word is bringing you closer to judgement. You know little about the Bible but say much; very dangerous my friend.

better than misrepresenting your own hate as god's

 

[This_person]

we pick and choose everyday which of the laws we want to break and follow. people speed all the time. Some people smoke in places it is illegal. Some people smoke things that are illegal. Some people feel that the laws against plural marraige are wrong and therefore break them....
I say we are free to choose what laws we want to break, we just have to pay the consquences when we get caught.
and yes, the reason behind a crime being a crime does make a difference. If a law is enacted with the purpose of discrimination, then i think it should rightly be ignored.

No doubt, we adults pick and choose those things we want to follow. But, do we teach in our schools the positive aspects of respect and empathy for the law breakers? KMW has shown that the law for sodomy is no longer in effect, but the concept still holds. Anti-discrimination against homosexuals is one thing, and I'm all for that. Respect for, and empathy with the homosexuals, while teaching that disagreement is a negative stereotype is merely discrimination against the other side of the discussion. It is also wrong.

I think the community as a group has decided that it does respect gay people and their choice or condiction, however you want to charecterize it.
That is why it is being taught in the schools, gayness, or heteroness are equally legal in the eyes of the community.

They're still not equally legal until the legal dictionary changes what the definition of a wife and husband are. But, activists are working on that, too, against the mainstream American. BUT, the good news for those activists is that if the next generation is taught to respect and empathize with the homosexuals, and that not accepting homosexuality as a norm (like 1.5% of the population is a "norm"?) is merely negative stereotyping, then the next generation will have been socially conditioned to have their moral standards altered such that the legal dictionary definition will be easier to change!

 

[Midnightrider]

They're still not equally legal until the legal dictionary changes what the definition of a wife and husband are. But, activists are working on that, too, against the mainstream American. BUT, the good news for those activists is that if the next generation is taught to respect and empathize with the homosexuals, and that not accepting homosexuality as a norm (like 1.5% of the population is a "norm"?) is merely negative stereotyping, then the next generation will have been socially conditioned to have their moral standards altered such that the legal dictionary definition will be easier to change!

see thats a marriage question, not a gay/straight one.
I am all for gay marriage as long as they have gay divorces too. Why should we have all the fun/ agony?

As far as i know there are no laws against being gay or hetero, so in my mind they are equally legal lifestyles