Marylanders Support Smoking Ban

[Larry Gude]

Oh yeah???

Two health hazards that I'd like to see banned: full-fat snack chips and sugared sodas. I only drink sugar-free soda and eat reduced fat chips, because sugar and fat are bad for you and lead to heart disease, which is the #1 killer of adult Americans. Who's with me on lobbying to get these killers banned?

Dick? Mike? Wanna save the world with me?

...from my cold, dead, pudgy fingers!

 

[2ndAmendment]

You miss the point dearest one.

I don't want to smell the stench. I couldn't care less if you smoke yourself to an early grave.

I can't smell a drunk drinking at the next table (usually) or the fat guy with him (usually).

Their drinking and eating has no effect on my health unless they drink & drive or sit on me.

And you miss the point. If you don't want to "smell the stench", you have the freedom to not go to the establishment.

I am sick and tired of the nanny state mentality of some people. I heard some reporter on Fox this morning saying about homes destroyed in the tornadoes that they hoped the federal government would step up and pay to have these homes rebuilt. Hello? Is anyone in there? It is not constitutional for the feds to do that. Yes, I know FEMA exists. Yes, I know the feds did stuff like that in other case. That does not make it correct or constitutional. Wake up people! Just because you don't like something does not mean there should be a law against it. Just because you suffered an economic loss does not mean the government must step in.

It is government meddling in areas that cause the problems. Bureaucracy invariably causes more problems than it solves. The least amount of government is the best amount of government. Keep your own power people; don't insist the government take it from you. The least amount of government results in the greatest amount of freedom. Freedom and government are counter to each other.

 

[Go G-Men]

Obesity... Hmmm Good Point

What? No comment about my Japan statistics? Let me point something else out to you:

The Japanese smoke like chimneys - all over the place because there are no laws prohibiting it. In fact, 50% of adult males in Japan smoke (you can look that up if you don't believe me). They also enjoy a much higher health rate than the US - smoking "kills" Americans, but it doesn't kill Japanese.

The Japanese also have a significantly lower obesity rate than Americans. Now THAT is a hell of a coincidence and I'm sure has absolutely nothing to do with mortality rates. Right?

Let's see if smoking is a health issue and it affects those who smoke as well as those around who have to breathe the smoke... So the concensus is we ban smoking everywhere... So based on that thinking.... Obesity is a health problem in this country so lets ban obese people from eating except in there own homes and only portions approved by the government...

P.S. If the government wanted to stop smoking they could always ban the sale of tobacco products...

 

[vraiblonde]

You miss the point dearest one.

yourself, Mikey-boy!

So you admit it's a control-freak power play to get others to bow to your whims, and not a true health issue?

You are perfectly capable of going to non-smoking venues. No one puts a gun to your head and forces you to eat and drink in smoking establishments. So how is it possible that you find yourself sitting in the vicinity of smokers, when you have the option not to?

 

[chernmax]

Don't you know smoking is bad for you?
My uncle lived to be 102...
And he was a smoker?
No, he use to mind his own freaken business...

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

Don't you know smoking is bad for you?
My uncle lived to be 102...
And he was a smoker?
No, he use to mind his own freaken business...

We want to push our moral beliefs as law... This is the problem with us.

 

[vraiblonde]

My uncle lived to be 102...

Dont tell me, let me guess: he died of a smoking-related disease?

 

[Larry Gude]

That's what law...

We want to push our moral beliefs as law... This is the problem with us.

...IS, moral belief.

Pick a law, any law. What is the basis behind it?

 

[Pete]

...IS, moral belief.

Pick a law, any law. What is the basis behind it?

Any structure over 9 feet in hight must use 2x6 studs in exterior walls.

 

[Larry Gude]

Can we seperate...

Any structure over 9 feet in hight must use 2x6 studs in exterior walls.

...building codes from civil and criminal law or do you want me to make up some arcane, Rube Goldburg justification for the morality of stouter construction?

 

[chernmax]

Dont tell me, let me guess: he died of a smoking-related disease?

Yeah, he got hit in a crosswalk by a Marlboro truck...

 

[vraiblonde]

Yeah, he got hit in a crosswalk by a Marlboro truck...

SEE???? Cigarettes kill!!!!!

 

[chernmax]

SEE???? Cigarettes kill!!!!!

Actually I think it was more the steel front bumper...

 

[2ndAmendment]

...

P.S. If the government wanted to stop smoking they could always ban the sale of tobacco products...

Oh good. Another prohibition and another black market and another failed "war on tobacco." The feds tried that with alcohol in 1919, with the XVIII Amendment. That ushered in one of the most violent periods in U.S. history. Prohibition was repealed in 1933 with the repeal of the XVIII Amendment by the XXI Amendment. We now have a prohibition against drugs like marijuana and others; they were not illegal during the period of prohibition. They were made illegal after prohibition was repealed. A prohibition of tobacco would result in another black market, more people being closet criminals, tobacco quality dropping, the cost of tobacco would climb to the cost of pot or more (more demand), street wars for the control of the tobacco trade, and heck, if you are going to be a criminal for smoking tobacco, might as well smoke pot or crack or do heroin of what ever other illegal drug you want to if the penalties are the same.

Yeah. Good idea. Make tobacco illegal.

 

[Mikeinsmd]

yourself, Mikey-boy!

So you admit it's a control-freak power play to get others to bow to your whims, and not a true health issue?

You are perfectly capable of going to non-smoking venues. No one puts a gun to your head and forces you to eat and drink in smoking establishments. So how is it possible that you find yourself sitting in the vicinity of smokers, when you have the option not to?

Please read the lower half of this. The post to 2A concerning his health was a joke. Like I said, if you guys wanna slowly kill yourself, go ahead.

If I want to go to a certain establishment, I should be able to do so without smelling smoke.

If you want to go to the same place, you should be able to also because they should have a sealed smoking section.

 

[ylexot]

they should have a sealed smoking section.

The available facilities is up to the establishment. How about "all bars should have Guinness on tap because I want to have Guinness when I go to an establishment"?

 

[vraiblonde]

If I want to go to a certain establishment, I should be able to do so without smelling smoke.

If you want to go to the same place, you should be able to also because they should have a sealed smoking section.

There are plenty of places you can go without having to smell smoke. But you obviously go to smoking establishments....why? Because your friends are there, right? So if your friends are sitting in a sealed smoking section, are you going to stay away from them and still sit in non-smoking?

Or do you not have any friends that smoke?

My idea is that the NON-smokers should have to sit in a hermetically sealed environment - then they won't have to smell ANYTHING.

 

[2ndAmendment]

The available facilities is up to the establishment. How about "all bars should have Guinness on tap because I want to have Guinness when I go to an establishment"?

 

[Pete]

...building codes from civil and criminal law or do you want me to make up some arcane, Rube Goldburg justification for the morality of stouter construction?

Go for it Rube It will be good

 

[Go G-Men]

Sarcasm

Oh good. Another prohibition and another black market and another failed "war on tobacco." The feds tried that with alcohol in 1919, with the XVIII Amendment. That ushered in one of the most violent periods in U.S. history. Prohibition was repealed in 1933 with the repeal of the XVIII Amendment by the XXI Amendment. We now have a prohibition against drugs like marijuana and others; they were not illegal during the period of prohibition. They were made illegal after prohibition was repealed. A prohibition of tobacco would result in another black market, more people being closet criminals, tobacco quality dropping, the cost of tobacco would climb to the cost of pot or more (more demand), street wars for the control of the tobacco trade, and heck, if you are going to be a criminal for smoking tobacco, might as well smoke pot or crack or do heroin of what ever other illegal drug you want to if the penalties are the same.

Yeah. Good idea. Make tobacco illegal.

Making Tobacco Illegal suggestion was actually sarcasm as was the rest of the post.... Please people...