Medical treatment refused

[kwillia]

seriously though, if people cant afford insurance, how do you expect those that can to be able to afford to cover those that cant.

And there lies the problem. Our congress is more in tune with keeping the paying lobbying crowd appeased than they are with doing what really needs to happen. We need reform. We need rules, regulations and restrictions shifted so that there is an open market for insurance choices. As a consumer, I have a full selection of auto insurance companies to chose from and I can design the policy I want down to the last detail. The medical insurance system is completely different. We need a re-design, but the pharmacutical companies, medical conglomerants (I'm not gonna worry about spell checking that one :jazz and insurance industry gets to call the shots. That is what makes it all so wrong.

 

[czygvtwkr]

I have read about doctors in England that refuse to treat people via the universal health care and their business is still booming because there are people over there willing to pay for good care. "Take an aspirin, your getting old its going to hurt" only goes so far even if it is free.

 

[kwillia]

You do realize these same people will still also have to pay into the federal universal health care too dont you?

If she is a member of AARP they are able to get fairly reasonable coverage with indemnity plans, I got my mom on one last year.

I dont want federal universal health care. Why do you assume that I do?

I want reform of the current insurance industry... tear down the walls! Let me buy BC/BS of North Carolina if that is where I want to purchase my policy, dammit!

 

[kwillia]

I have read about doctors in England that refuse to treat people via the universal health care and their business is still booming because there are people over there willing to pay for good care. "Take an aspirin, your getting old its going to hurt" only goes so far even if it is free.

Agreed. And Canada... let's talk about how great their socialistic health care is working out for them.

 

[itsbob]

and if you do a run on those numbers, the uninsured numbers are being driven up by the illegals in the country. Not to say that citizens are not losing insurance, but still.
and just take a trip to any ER in the annapolis area and discover the number of spanish only speaking people sitting there waiting for their free help.

seriously though, if people cant afford insurance, how do you expect those that can to be able to afford to cover those that cant.

In Mass their Program (which the federal program is modeled on) they just moved the uninsured. The poor have coverage now, the rich can afford coverage, but those making between 60 - 100k a year can't afford health coverage, and are now the new uninsured..

Nobody cares if the middle class can't afford health insurance, they only care that the welfare HAS coverage.

And in the third year of their program the program has cost three times the original estimated cost, and still don't have half the people covered they wanted to. It's bankrupting the state, and you can bet your ass they are in support of the federal system, that's the ONLY way out of the corner they've painted themselves into.. Break the fed, not the state.

 

[itsbob]

I dont want federal universal health care. Why do you assume that I do?

I want reform of the current insurance industry... tear down the walls! Let me buy BC/BS of North Carolina if that is where I want to purchase my policy, dammit!

I TOTALLY agree with this post.. I should have access to ANY and ALL health insurance policies.. and let ME choose which one I want. There should be NO health insurance 'borders'..

BS/BC federal is much better than BS/BS Maryland.

 

[CheneyD]

Good read for the Liberals out there......Ezekiel Emanuel wrote this: “PRINCIPLES USED FOR ALLOCATING/RATIONING SCARCE MEDICAL INTERVENTION” / Ways to decide who lives and who dies « Pesky Emotional Republican

 

[CheneyD]

Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, “Dr. Death"

Ezekiel Emanuel wrote this: “PRINCIPLES USED FOR ALLOCATING/RATIONING SCARCE MEDICAL INTERVENTION” / Ways to decide who lives and who dies « Pesky Emotional Republican

 

[BuckinRut]

Didn't read the whole post but a friend of mine recently had to go to the doctor for tests on her thyroid levels because she had her thyroids removed. She has no insurance due to not being able to afford it. She was charged just to walk in the office, 341.00. She of course did not have it and they would not take her unless she paid at least 25% of the office visit up front. There went her grocery money. She refuses to go to the filthy so called clinics. If she goes to the Emergency rooms the bills she gets after wards are astronomical. So if she pays on the bills she will never catch up due to the fact that she is conically ill. We need some sort of health care help or people like her will just drown in the bills.

 

[Bann]

I was thinking, with all the thoughts that people in the U.S can get medical attention if needed, it would be helpful in the healthcare debate to have some examples of people that were refused service in a medical setting due to the lack of ability to pay.

Im not talking about a tummy tuck, or some other cosmetic procedure, I am looking for the millions of examples where someone was hurt, or sick, and they were unable to find assistance anywhere.
Im also not looking for those cases where people were just too lazy to seek the help, or for whatever reason they didnt know they could walk in and get the help.

real refusal, as in, Im having a heart attack but I dont have insurance,, and then the ER people throw you into the street.

looking forward to reading all of the millions of cases that are real.

I'm 50 and I have never heard of one single case of someone being refused medical care due to the lack of ability to pay.

 

[Bann]

i went to brenton medical when i was having a heart attack and they told me that they wouldn't see me because they didn't take my insurance. they told me to go across the bridge to the urgent care over there. Funny, they took me in the back because i was describing the stereotypical symptoms, but before i could see a doctor they came back and said they couldn't see me.

not exactly what you were looking for, but bordering on it for sure.

I really have a hard time believing you were having a heart attack & they wouldn't help you.

What are stereotypical symptoms of a heart attack?

 

[Bann]

I don't believe you.

Neither do I! That would be a dereliction of duty, some kind of violation somewhere. And that other poster would be suing the company in a heartbeat.

 

[Bann]

That's not an ER, nor a hospital, and going there suffering from what you think is a heart attack.. well...



You ain't the sharpest crayon in the box..

Another good point! He should have called 911 right away.

 

[itsbob]

Didn't read the whole post but a friend of mine recently had to go to the doctor for tests on her thyroid levels because she had her thyroids removed. She has no insurance due to not being able to afford it. She was charged just to walk in the office, 341.00. She of course did not have it and they would not take her unless she paid at least 25% of the office visit up front. There went her grocery money. She refuses to go to the filthy so called clinics. If she goes to the Emergency rooms the bills she gets after wards are astronomical. So if she pays on the bills she will never catch up due to the fact that she is conically ill. We need some sort of health care help or people like her will just drown in the bills.

What Thyroid levels are they testing if she ain't got any??

 

[czygvtwkr]

Didn't read the whole post but a friend of mine recently had to go to the doctor for tests on her thyroid levels because she had her thyroids removed. She has no insurance due to not being able to afford it. She was charged just to walk in the office, 341.00. She of course did not have it and they would not take her unless she paid at least 25% of the office visit up front. There went her grocery money. She refuses to go to the filthy so called clinics. If she goes to the Emergency rooms the bills she gets after wards are astronomical. So if she pays on the bills she will never catch up due to the fact that she is conically ill. We need some sort of health care help or people like her will just drown in the bills.

So does she have no job?

 

[czygvtwkr]

Neither do I! That would be a dereliction of duty, some kind of violation somewhere. And that other poster would be suing the company in a heartbeat.

I work with someone who had a heart attack and they told me St Marys Hospital refused to treat them because they said they weren't equipped for it and sent him to PG medical center.

 

[acommondisaster]

Didn't read the whole post but a friend of mine recently had to go to the doctor for tests on her thyroid levels because she had her thyroids removed. She has no insurance due to not being able to afford it. She was charged just to walk in the office, 341.00. She of course did not have it and they would not take her unless she paid at least 25% of the office visit up front. There went her grocery money. She refuses to go to the filthy so called clinics. If she goes to the Emergency rooms the bills she gets after wards are astronomical. So if she pays on the bills she will never catch up due to the fact that she is conically ill. We need some sort of health care help or people like her will just drown in the bills.

Sounds like she made a choice rather than being refused. And believe me, if you saw some of the hospitals in europe, you'd change your opinion of clinics here. No one said care had to be equally luxurious.

I agree with the OP - I don't see any posts that indicate that someone was refused treatment. Thatguy wasn't uninsured - he just had to go someplace that took his insurance and he lived to tell the tale and the other person talked about shopping around for a physician who took her insurance - you don't buy a chevy and then expect a Ford dealer to honor the maintenance agreement. (Bad analogy, but anyone complaining about shopping for a doctor deserves to be on a government plan.)

 

[BuckinRut]

So does she have no job?

Yes she has job, she works her ass off for a lousy 8.00 an hour and 6 days a week. Works a management job but is called and only paid for a part timer. I have been trying to get her to turn these idiots in for labor laws. She is afraid of losing the only job she has. She is now looking to work in a friggen crematory just to get paid more and get paid for the hours she works. Hubby works as a contractor and work is super slow, so she is their only means of support.

 

[BuckinRut]

What Thyroid levels are they testing if she ain't got any??

I don't know the exact test they call it I just know it has to do with levels of the meds she takes. :shrug:

 

[acommondisaster]

I work with someone who had a heart attack and they told me St Marys Hospital refused to treat them because they said they weren't equipped for it and sent him to PG medical center.

Thank goodness they sent him somewhere else if they weren't equipped to treat him!