Monica Lewinsky speaks out on affair with Clinton

[Hijinx]

Let me go off on another tangent.

Let's look at Hillary's role in this play.
We are getting ready to have her run for President.
She had an affair with Vince Foster before Bubba got his ashes hauled by Monica.
Some say she also had an affair with Web Hubbell, and appearances bear that out.
So let's say we weren't talking about the perfect marriage here torn apart by Bubba's relationship with an intern.
We are speaking of a marriage of opportunity.

Hillary's answer when she found Bill was screwing around was probably " What Difference does it make" up until it hit the papers and embarrassed her politically.

Hillary has spent her lifetime living in Bubba's shadow and using his talent for politics for her own gain
She has no personal accomplishments. She was fired from the Watergate investigations for lying and unethical behavior.,
Her stay at the State Department is not exceptional except that it was on her watch that a US Ambassador was killed and she lied about what happened.

Bill Clinton is pretty much yesterdays news without Hillary running for President so naturally he wants her to run.
She wants to run because she it would be a great thing for her ego.
Is this woman who stands by while her husband commits adultery, and commits it herself, and who has no personal accomplishments unrelated to a lying pervert who stuck cigars in a young woman the person we want in the White House?

 

[PsyOps]

Americans seemed to cheer for Clinton? No, I think it was a certain type of American. Certain media types? Yes, the Leftist Media, which, at the time owned the broadcast media & print media. But not the Internet media, which was starting to emerge in popularity to the general public.

No, it is NOT cool to abuse an intern in the Oval Office. It is NOT cool for a US President to defame and disgrace the political office in the manner Bill Clinton did. No, it is NOT cool that his political machine destroyed her and any other woman who became entangled with Bill Clinton when it became public. But those are 2 different stories. Monica made her bed. She layed in it. Well, not really. She had an UNREQUITED love affair. She was treated like yesterday's trash, but she was treated that way all along. She was still going after him, she was still trying to have a "consummated" relationship with him. It was her MO. According to stories of the time, she never had one successful relationship, because (IMO) she sought unattainable relationships. Guys who would not treat her right, married men, etc.

Maybe Monica was a messed up young woman, but she was no angel. Go back and read some of the newspaper articles & interviews of people involved in Monica's life BEFORE she went to Washington. Monica Lewinsky was - to use a stereotype - a Jewish American Princess who lived in the 90210 zip code. However, she never got the love & attention she craved from her daddy. Mommy was a self absorbed, star crazy aspiring journalist. Her parents divorced and Monica finished out her HS years craving to be accepted by the "in-crowd" but was always on the fringe. She would shower acquaintances with gifts in order to be accepted, she went overboard in her attempts to be popular, etc.

Then, at 19, she became involved with a married HS teacher from her old HS, while she was babysitting his children. According to some accounts I've re-read from that era, her mother got her the internship (through a high-powered connection, of course) in Washington to get her OUT of that relationship. Some accounts say it only ended when the wifey-poo found out, other accounts say it ended when mommy dearest got her the internship.

I cut my Intrawebs teeth on the Monica Lewinsky scandal. We had just obtained internet access since the Ex was leaving for a Med Cruise in the Navy. I was horrified at the details being exposed on the news! I couldn't believe my ears that something like this was happening and I didn't believe it was true. When I heard about "The Drudge Report" the first time, it was on CNN and after I found that website, I used to live there and also on Lucianne.com, because both websites came out about that same time. I did not feel Monica's pain at all, ever. I think she caused it. Yes, she was decimated by the Clinton Machine, but I think that is what happens when you mess with fire. You get burned. Bill Clinton's peccadillos and his womanizing history is a separate story altogether.

You know, I was 22 at one time. I worked for a very large "quasi" government type of agency in Washington, DC. While there, I was asked to apply for a certain job, and was flattered that I was personally sought out! I went to talk to the Director of that Department about the position, and I realized in the middle of the discussion that the "job" as his assistant would involve much more than just my clerical abilities. He didn't come right out and SAY it to me, of course. It was very obvious to me, though. I was very young, very naive, and such a goody goody two shoes. However, I was not flattered any longer. I was scared out of my wits, to be honest. I left that office that day and never applied for that job, because I had a feeling it would not be what I was after. So there are many types of young, naive 22 year old women. I was not the Monica Lewinsky type.

I’m speaking in general terms when I talk about Americans and thinking Clinton’s abuse of power was cool. I felt so much in the minority those days. It seemed to me those that weren’t cheering him on were just complacent to the whole thing. Few seemed to really care.

I joined the military at 22. I try to think back to whether I was so impressionable that I could have been sucked into something as stupid as the Lewinski thing to advance myself. I’d like to think not. Actually I doubt it. I believe I was able to look ahead enough to know whether I was being taken advantage of or not. But not everyone is in that frame-of-mind.

Though again, we’re talking about the president of the US and the Whitehouse. A person at that age can get caught up in the enormity of it all. They want so badly to succeed and advance themselves. This very well could have been a situation where she felt she was screwed (no pun intended) if she did and if she didn’t. She may have felt her career was on the line if she didn’t please her ‘boss’. And how do you report abuse when it comes to the president? The Clintons have a long track record of abuse and misconduct on so many levels.

I have lived in a world of the person of authority being responsible for things-gone-wrong for a long time. No matter how responsible the underling is for their own actions, in the government, the person is authority is responsible for the impropriety. I’ve seen a lot of fraternization cases where a high ranking officer had an affair with an NCO, and the officer lost their career over it while the NCO was simply given a letter of reprimand. In the Clinton/Lewinski case, I think it's pathetic that Clinton remains successful while Lewinski is trashed. A president having an extra-marital affair, in the Whitehouse, and lying about it under oath is cause for his life to be ruined forever. Clinton shouldn't be doing any more than selling ice cream. But this just didn't happen. And I blame the people. It's the people that keep the Clinton's in power.

 

[Gilligan]

This sums things up nicely...


http://kaching.tumblr.com/post/85028878843/this-just-in-and-out

 

[ArkRescue]

I don’t feel sorry for her so much as I am ashamed of our political system that it can just turn a blind eye to this sort of abuse of power. That it can just destroy lives and not bat an eye. That we don’t hold firm accountability to these abusive politicians. This is more a reflection on the voters. Americans seemed to cheer Clinton for his womanizing savvy. How cool is it to abuse an intern in the Oval Office?

I think power causes people on both sides of the influence to do some really irrational things. But the responsibility always lies in the hands of the person WITH the power. Monica may have been 22 and perfectly within her capacity to decide what she was doing; but we’re talking about the president. She got stars in her eyes and there was no way she could see how this could come crashing down on here. Clinton, on the other hand, had an entire entourage of legal and political protection. The man lied under oath and got away with it. This is just a complete breach of trust on every level.

 

[Pete]

How do you know that Clinton didn't make the advances? 22 year old, the most powerful man in the world is making winky face at you, tells you your cute, smart, funny, remembers your name, smiles at you everytime he sees you.

 

[SamSpade]

How do you know that Clinton didn't make the advances? 22 year old, the most powerful man in the world is making winky face at you, tells you your cute, smart, funny, remembers your name, smiles at you everytime he sees you.

I seem to remember at one point early in their "relationship" she turned and snapped her thong at him.

 

[PsyOps]

I seem to remember at one point early in their "relationship" she turned and snapped her thong at him.

And I'm sure he hated it.

 

[Bann]

How do you know that Clinton didn't make the advances? 22 year old, the most powerful man in the world is making winky face at you, tells you your cute, smart, funny, remembers your name, smiles at you everytime he sees you.

The most powerful man in the world, who happened to be married - that would have stopped me.

 

[PsyOps]

The most powerful man in the world, who happened to be married - that would have stopped me.

Most powerful VINDICTIVE, married man in the world who saying 'no' to would have likely resulted in your career ruined.

 

[Larry Gude]

Let me go off on another tangent.

Let's look at Hillary's role in this play.

And, suddenly, it all makes sense...

 

[vraiblonde]

Lynn Cheney says:

"I really wonder if this isn't an effort on the Clintons' part to get that story out of the way," Cheney said on Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor Tuesday. "Would Vanity Fair publish anything about Monica Lewinsky that Hillary Clinton wouldn't want in Vanity Fair?"

 

[Larry Gude]

Lynn Cheney says:

if so, here comes Rose Law firm, Whitewater, the McDougal's, Billy Dale and the travel office, the 1,000 FBI files (including Jim Carvilles!) Paula, Gennifer, Wiley and Juanita Broderick.

Whoever thought this plan up, if that is the case, is a ####tard.

 

[vraiblonde]

if so, here comes Rose Law firm, Whitewater, the McDougal's, Billy Dale and the travel office, the 1,000 FBI files (including Jim Carvilles!) Paula, Gennifer, Wiley and Juanita Broderick.

Whoever thought this plan up, if that is the case, is a ####tard.

You realize, of course, that many of the voters who will put Hillary in the White House were toddlers when all that happened? To them it's ancient history and they won't care.

 

[Larry Gude]

You realize, of course, that many of the voters who will put Hillary in the White House were toddlers when all that happened? To them it's ancient history and they won't care.

So, why care about Monica?

 

[Bann]

Most powerful VINDICTIVE, married man in the world who saying 'no' to would have likely resulted in your career ruined.

It would not have mattered to me. It's not the way I operate. Never have, never would. Never will.

You know, I could be wrong, but I do not recall anything in the history of this whole sordid affair which indicated Monica was in jeopardy of losing her employment status. In fact, she was relocated in order to curtail her abilities. (and probably so she wouldn't retaliate) She was rather tenacious if I recall correctly, and at her new job location began to pour her heart out to Linda Tripp about it all. I don't recall her job ever being in jeopardy

 

[BadGirl]

Just for S&G's, go wikipedia both Monica and Linda Tripp. Pay close attention to the role Linda Tripp played out in this incident. She was far more concerned about protecting herself from loss of employment, which steamrolled this whole discovery of Monica and Bill to the public.

 

[Bann]

Just for S&G's, go wikipedia both Monica and Linda Tripp. Pay close attention to the role Linda Tripp played out in this incident. She was far more concerned about protecting herself from loss of employment, which steamrolled this whole discovery of Monica and Bill to the public.

Very true. But that didn't change the fact that Monica wanted that relationship with Bill Clinton. She actively persued it before she was transferred and continued after.

I guess I am a bitch, but I really don't feel sorry for her. We all make choices. She made her (some would say, unfortunate) choices. BUT! She's done better financially in her life with those than most people ever will.

 

[Lurk]

What was learned by the Monica Lewinsky affair? Very simply, an untalented half-black young man in Chicago learned that the nation and the press would look the other way and support you if you showed the audacity of shuck and jive.

 

[Larry Gude]

What was learned by the Monica Lewinsky affair? Very simply, an untalented half-black young man in Chicago learned that the nation and the press would look the other way and support you if you showed the audacity of shuck and jive.

Huh????

Barack Obama didn't become president because of Monica. He became president because the nation saw what 'compassionate; conservative leadership was all about; Big government, big spending and losing wars; none of which was working. So, we the people, figured if we're gonna have a big government socialist type may as well pick the real thing and see if they can make it work.

We didn't pick Obama because of too little government. We didn't pick Obama because we won wars against Islam. We didn't pick Obama because of too little spending and too little debt.

 

[Larry Gude]

Very true. But that didn't change the fact that Monica wanted that relationship with Bill Clinton. She actively persued it before she was transferred and continued after.

I guess I am a bitch, but I really don't feel sorry for her. We all make choices. She made her (some would say, unfortunate) choices. BUT! She's done better financially in her life with those than most people ever will.

How in the flying hell isn't this ALL about Bill Clinton???? She was a kid! In the dizzying thrill of being in and around power, the ultimate power! You have no understanding for a young woman who, yes, pursued this but, was allowed, by supposedly mature adults, to be in and around all of this????

You have to be 36 to be president. Bubba made the case for it to be a good bit older than that before you are mature enough. I'm not seeking sympathy for Monica, per se, but, SHE was the kid in all of this. Clinton, his staff (no pun intended) even his security detail, it's not like Monica said "Hey! I think I shall go down to the White House today and see if I can hook up with the President of the United States..."

Where were all the freaking adults???