Monica Lewinsky speaks out on affair with Clinton

[Bann]

How in the flying hell isn't this ALL about Bill Clinton???? She was a kid! In the dizzying thrill of being in and around power, the ultimate power! You have no understanding for a young woman who, yes, pursued this but, was allowed, by supposedly mature adults, to be in and around all of this????

You have to be 36 to be president. Bubba made the case for it to be a good bit older than that before you are mature enough. I'm not seeking sympathy for Monica, per se, but, SHE was the kid in all of this. Clinton, his staff (no pun intended) even his security detail, it's not like Monica said "Hey! I think I shall go down to the White House today and see if I can hook up with the President of the United States..."

Where were all the freaking adults???

I was 22 once, too. I was not an immature 22yo - I was living on my own, paying my own bills, commuting to DC to work. I didn't have "access" to the POTUS, but I sure as hell could have made my way the way ML seemed to. I didn't. Not my style.

Even though I've said in my posts that he, of course, holds some blame - I still hold her responsible for actively pursuing this all the way. She was a freaking nutter. Bill Clinton used her, like any other bimbo he became involved with. He was POTUS and compromised the office of the POTUS in many more ways than one. Yes.

However, I just feel this is NOT about BC today. It's about ML wanting to re-write history. She needs more money and is now whining again because of choices she made 20 years ago. She hasn't gotten over her unrequited love for BC - 20 years seems not to have changed her outlook much about that or she wouldn't make comments about her hurt feelings. Where's any shred of her self respect? Why would she dredge this all up again? Money.

 

[Larry Gude]

I was 22 once, too. I was not an immature 22yo - I was living on my own, paying my own bills, commuting to DC to work. I didn't have "access" to the POTUS, but I sure as hell could have made my way the way ML seemed to. I didn't. Not my style.

Even though I've said in my posts that he, of course, holds some blame - I still hold her responsible for actively pursuing this all the way. She was a freaking nutter. Bill Clinton used her, like any other bimbo he became involved with. He was POTUS and compromised the office of the POTUS in many more ways than one. Yes.

However, I just feel this is NOT about BC today. It's about ML wanting to re-write history. She needs more money and is now whining again because of choices she made 20 years ago. She hasn't gotten over her unrequited love for BC - 20 years seems not to have changed her outlook much about that or she wouldn't make comments about her hurt feelings. Where's any shred of her self respect? Why would she dredge this all up again? Money.

Again, I'm not looking for sympathy for her but, just a more proper allocation of responsibility here. Dubbya, Clinton, Obama, you name it, it's there to be had. All they have to do is make it happen, lift a finger. Those people are the ones who came before the people and said "place your trust in me, I am mature and responsible and will do the right things at the right time'. Monica is (was) just another knuckle head kid out seeking excitement and indulging her attraction to power. That's not to disparage all interns. Far from it. It is to, once again, point the finger where I think it belongs; at the adults in the room. Whomever picks interns, schedules them, paved the way for her to be able to get close enough to Bubba.

As for her now, think of it as a reunion tour. She's got a book to sell. I won't be reading it but, I don't begrudge her, in essence, reminding us how incredibly juvenile the Clinton's, their people, and their era was. THEM. She's just a symptom.

 

[Bann]

Again, I'm not looking for sympathy for her but, just a more proper allocation of responsibilty.

Actually, it comes across as you trying to get (me) to see it your way. I don't. I see it differently - and am apparently in the minority. :shrug: No matter - I won't read her book - it makes no real difference in my life what she does with hers.

Today's a beautiful day - and this horse is dead to me, so I'm going out to enjoy it.

 

[PsyOps]

It would not have mattered to me. It's not the way I operate. Never have, never would. Never will.

You know, I could be wrong, but I do not recall anything in the history of this whole sordid affair which indicated Monica was in jeopardy of losing her employment status. In fact, she was relocated in order to curtail her abilities. (and probably so she wouldn't retaliate) She was rather tenacious if I recall correctly, and at her new job location began to pour her heart out to Linda Tripp about it all. I don't recall her job ever being in jeopardy

Your aspirations are in a different place than Lewinski’s. And, knowing you somewhat on the personal side, I have absolutely no doubt in my mind you operate your life in a far more ethical and professional manner than 99.99999% of all our politicians and their aides…

I was making an assertion that she damned if she did and damned if she didn’t. I’m trying to imagine if she had said no to Bill. She’s says no to Bill, Bill assumes she’s going to blab to the press, he destroys her before she can take one step out of the WH.

I’m more on the side of believing she knew exactly what she was doing and wanted all of it, all in an effort to advance herself. Considering that, none it removes who is ultimately responsible for keeping a professional environment ‘professional’. This is the Whitehouse. This was the POTUS. This doesn’t happen if we had a president that had a single ounce of integrity and professionalism.

 

[PsyOps]

Huh????

Barack Obama didn't become president because of Monica. He became president because the nation saw what 'compassionate; conservative leadership was all about; Big government, big spending and losing wars; none of which was working. So, we the people, figured if we're gonna have a big government socialist type may as well pick the real thing and see if they can make it work.

We didn't pick Obama because of too little government. We didn't pick Obama because we won wars against Islam. We didn't pick Obama because of too little spending and too little debt.

I think it’s reasonable to believe that, on some small level, Obama became president on the backs of a Jerry Springer culture that, at least in politics, was bred by Clinton. Clinton was our first real-time adulterer president and it was cool. Obama, largely got elected on the same ‘cool’ factor that keeps Clinton the darling of the dem party.

 

[Hijinx]

Your aspirations are in a different place than Lewinski’s. And, knowing you somewhat on the personal side, I have absolutely no doubt in my mind you operate your life in a far more ethical and professional manner than 99.99999% of all our politicians and their aides…

I was making an assertion that she damned if she did and damned if she didn’t. I’m trying to imagine if she had said no to Bill. She’s says no to Bill, Bill assumes she’s going to blab to the press, he destroys her before she can take one step out of the WH.

I’m more on the side of believing she knew exactly what she was doing and wanted all of it, all in an effort to advance herself. Considering that, none it removes who is ultimately responsible for keeping a professional environment ‘professional’. This is the Whitehouse. This was the POTUS. This doesn’t happen if we had a president that had a single ounce of integrity and professionalism.

Well I agree she knew what she was doing. After all she had done it before. I am not so sure she did it to advance herself or more as just being able to say she did it.

Bill didn't have to push to hard to take advantage of this one. She was there for the taking.

 

[PsyOps]

Well I agree she knew what she was doing. After all she had done it before. I am not so sure she did it to advance herself or more as just being able to say she did it.

Bill didn't have to push to hard to take advantage of this one. She was there for the taking.

Assuming this is true, it changes nothing in who is responsible for not allowing it to happen in the first place – that’s Bill.

 

[Larry Gude]

I think it’s reasonable to believe that, on some small level, Obama became president on the backs of a Jerry Springer culture that, at least in politics, was bred by Clinton. Clinton was our first real-time adulterer president and it was cool. Obama, largely got elected on the same ‘cool’ factor that keeps Clinton the darling of the dem party.

No, he wasn't. Both LBJ and Kennedy were well known to enjoy the ladies in the WH. JFK came on to my aunt at some state dinner. My married, with her husband aunt. Tina Brown just wrote a scathing piece that blames it all on Drudge, saying, without saying it, how mad she is that she and her fellow power brokers couldn't control it as was done in previous generations.

Just as Bush and his ways lead to Obama, Slick Willy lead us to Simple George. Obama should have lead to Competent Mitt but, Mitt backed off after getting off to a great start.

 

[Larry Gude]

Actually, it comes across as you trying to get (me) to see it your way. I don't. I see it differently - and am apparently in the minority. :shrug: No matter - I won't read her book - it makes no real difference in my life what she does with hers.

Today's a beautiful day - and this horse is dead to me, so I'm going out to enjoy it.

It would call it conversation and debate for the sake of conversation and debate. It totally get your view coming from the fact that you, and many other young women, were absolutely NOT the Monica type.

Enjoy the day!

 

[Hijinx]

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Just as Bush and his ways lead to Obama, Slick Willy lead us to Simple George. Obama should have lead to Competent Mitt but, Mitt backed off after getting off to a great start.

Mitt is competent, even though he is a RINO, but don't worry he is starting his comeback and the Dummies at Republican Leadership will probably back him again.

 

[Larry Gude]

Mitt is competent, even though he is a RINO, but don't worry he is starting his comeback and the Dummies at Republican Leadership will probably back him again.

While it is hard to predict what people will actually do in the WH, in hindsight, it gets pretty easy.

Reagan was what most hoped for; optimistic, all about America. pretty wise, a guy who could and would work well with the other side.

41 was exactly what you'd expect from a career gummint man whose idea of a good time was playing a round a golf in 2 1/2 hours.

Clinton was the excitement to Bush's dull.

43 was the son of a rich, powerful man who was the simple spoken and simple minded antidote to Slick Willy.

Obama was the affirmative action potus at time when the right had thrown away ALL credibility on limiting government.

Mitt would probably be what we need; competent. Everything about him says 'competent' and 'decent'. Optimist. Not much of a partisan hack. Trustworthy. When the car is broke, you get a mechanic. When the economy is broke, you get a sound business man with a record of fixing things.

We could do worse. And, given small government is now, as a practical option, gone, he may be the best choice.

Hell if I know.

 

[PsyOps]

No, he wasn't. Both LBJ and Kennedy were well known to enjoy the ladies in the WH. JFK came on to my aunt at some state dinner. My married, with her husband aunt. Tina Brown just wrote a scathing piece that blames it all on Drudge, saying, without saying it, how mad she is that she and her fellow power brokers couldn't control it as was done in previous generations.

Just as Bush and his ways lead to Obama, Slick Willy lead us to Simple George. Obama should have lead to Competent Mitt but, Mitt backed off after getting off to a great start.

LBJ and Kennedy weren’t truly known until years later. Clinton was real-time; stuff that tabloids were made for. Clinton was brought out in the open in front of millions. This was not the with LBJ and Jack. And I was also pointing out that Clinton made it cool to have a salacious affair, especially in the Whitehouse Oval Office. Clinton made being president cool period.

 

[FireBrand]

"WASHINGTON (AP) -- Monica Lewinsky says there's no question her boss -- Bill Clinton -- "took advantage" of her when he was president.

But she says their affair was consensual and if there was any abuse involved, it came afterward, when Clinton's inner circle tried to discredit her and the president's opponents used her as a political pawn.

The former White House intern, now 40, writes about her life in the next issue of Vanity Fair magazine, out this month. In released excerpts, she says she's perhaps the first Internet era scapegoat and wants to speak out on behalf of other victims of online humiliation."

Personally I think this chick thinks more of herself than the rest of the Country. She's trying to act like she was a victim here, and that her life has been ruined by it (albeit she says it was "consensual"). If her life is ruined it's because she CHOSE to get on her knees (and whatever else they did). She knew he was married, she knew what she was doing.

http://www.wtop.com/289/3617234/Monica-Lewinsky-speaks-out-on-affair-with-Clinton

Monica swallows her pride and spits out the truth.