More on that Birth Certificate thing...

[SouthernMdRocks]

That even applies to out military ships at sea!!!

Yes it does!!!

 

[PsyOps]

Especially since our nation's first law governing citizenship, the Naturalization Act of 1790 (an act almost contemporaneous with the ratification of the Constitution) said that:


The term 'natural born citizen' was rarely used again as Congress continually opted to use the term 'citizen at birth' in future legislation. Citizen at birth is generally regarded to have the same legal meaning.

This should get us back to BO's citizenship. If either of his parents was a US citizen, even if he was born in Kenya, he is a "nature born citizen". So the question isn't his BC; it's his mother's citizenship at the time of BO's birth.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong about this, otherwise I think it's a dead issue.

 

[SouthernMdRocks]

This should get us back to BO's citizenship. If either of his parents was a US citizen, even if he was born in Kenya, he is a "nature born citizen". So the question isn't his BC; it's his mother's citizenship at the time of BO's birth.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong about this, otherwise I think it's a dead issue.

Nope, she would of had to of been in the military or other job like CIA ect...if he was born at the Kenya hospital under her circumstances, he would not automatically be a US citizen.

 

[Beaver-Cleaver]

Nope, she would of had to of been in the military or other job like CIA ect...if he was born at the Kenya hospital under her circumstances, he would not automatically be a US citizen.

Naturalization Act of 1790 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Act also establishes the United States citizenship of children of citizens, born abroad, without the need for naturalization, "the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born Citizens".

You fail.

 

[Tilted]

Naturalization Act of 1790 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



You fail.

There have been numerous acts and statutes since then that changed the rules. Unless Obama was born between 1790 and 1795, that particular act does not apply.

 

[Beaver-Cleaver]

There have been numerous acts and statutes since then that changed the rules. Unless Obama was born between 1790 and 1795, that particular act does not apply.

Is Barack Obama Really a U.S. Citizen?

you FAIL

 

[sunmoonstars]

Is Barack Obama Really a U.S. Citizen?

you FAIL

Ancestry of Barack Obama - Family Tree and Genealogy of Senator Obama

 

[Beaver-Cleaver]

Ancestry of Barack Obama - Family Tree and Genealogy of Senator Obama

but but but

one internet report on worldnet daily says somebody saw obama being born in kenya

 

[This_person]

but but but
one internet report on worldnet daily says somebody saw obama being born in kenya

yep, his grandmother.

Nothing refutes this. Not even Obama, as he has not personally addressed it at all as far as I've heard. Not with any specifics.

 

[Tilted]

Is Barack Obama Really a U.S. Citizen?

you FAIL

What do I fail on? Do you dispute the fact that the Naturalization Act of 1790 has no legal effect on anyone born after 1795? If you had read my posts, you would know that I've said many times that a person can be a natural born citizen even if they were not born within the U.S.

All I said is that that particular act, which you cited and which I have cited many times before for other reasons, does not apply to Obama unless he was born between 1790 and 1795. That is indisputably correct. Want proof, here you go - from the Naturalization act of 1795:

SEC. 4. And be it further enacted, that the Act, intitled, "An act to establish an uniform rule of naturalization," passed the twenty-sixth day of March, one thousand seven hundred and ninety, be, and the same is hereby repealed.

By the way, I read the article you cited several weeks ago.

 

[Beaver-Cleaver]

yep, his grandmother.

Nothing refutes this. Not even Obama, as he has not personally addressed it at all as far as I've heard. Not with any specifics.

oh I'm sorry

The Pennsylvania Democrat who has sued Sen. Barack Obama demanding he prove his American citizenship – and therefore qualification to run for president – has confirmed he has a recording of a telephone call from the senator's paternal grandmother confirming his birth in Kenya.

so someone claims to have talked to her ... in otherwords: hearsay.













in that case:









I talked to your grandmother and she said you were born in Mongolia.





Go ahead, prove me wrong.

 

[thatguy]

This should get us back to BO's citizenship. If either of his parents was a US citizen, even if he was born in Kenya, he is a "nature born citizen". So the question isn't his BC; it's his mother's citizenship at the time of BO's birth.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong about this, otherwise I think it's a dead issue.

that is the long and short of it.
and why none of this has ever gotten traction from anyone credible.

 

[Beaver-Cleaver]

that is the long and short of it.
and why none of this has ever gotten traction from anyone credible.

and the tards will never believe it because they havent seen the birth certificate themselves and anything (including genuine reprints from the state) else that isnt the original BC from 1961 is not authentic enough therefore its a conspiracy and everyones in on it

 

[This_person]

oh I'm sorry



so someone claims to have talked to her ... in otherwords: hearsay.













in that case:









I talked to your grandmother and she said you were born in Mongolia.





Go ahead, prove me wrong.

Have you heard the recording?

And, I have a certificate of live birth, hospital records, numerous people who were around for my birth........ and if I were being challenged in court I'd be ecstatic to prove you wrong so that I could be president and not bothered with your idiotic grandmother. Apparently the presidency means enough to Obama to ignore his grandmother in her dying days (except for 7 whole hours), but not enough to do away with these suits with actual evidence.

 

[Beaver-Cleaver]

Have you heard the recording?

have you?

prove it's his grandmother

And, I have a certificate of live birth, hospital records, numerous people who were around for my birth........ and if I were being challenged in court I'd be ecstatic to prove you wrong so that I could be president and not bothered with your idiotic grandmother.

I said I talked to your grandmother.

And I don't want it to go to court because they're in on a conspiracy. I think you should release all your records to the public right here on SOMD Forums. Furthermore, I think we should all be able to see and feel the documents in person to verify that they're real.

Apparently the presidency means enough to Obama to ignore his grandmother in her dying days (except for 7 whole hours), but not enough to do away with these suits with actual evidence.

he went there and paid his respects... whats the big ####in' deal?

President-Elect Obama has a lot of work to do. He's got a cabinet to appoint, people to hire, a plan to present to Congress, a budget to present to Congress, a State of the Union to prepare and all the other smaller things. He can't afford the time to take off a week or a few days for a funeral.

 

[Tilted]

This should get us back to BO's citizenship. If either of his parents was a US citizen, even if he was born in Kenya, he is a "nature born citizen". So the question isn't his BC; it's his mother's citizenship at the time of BO's birth.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong about this, otherwise I think it's a dead issue.

PsyOps, that actually isn't correct. I hope my citing of current law way back in this thread didn't mislead you - if it did I apologize. I pointed out several times since then that it is the law that was in effect at the time that controls. But, there's been so much back and forth in this thread that a lot of stuff gets lost. I can find citations for that assertion if someone needs them.

Just to be clear, in accordance with the law at the time of his birth - if his mother was a U.S. citizen, and his father was not, and he was born in Kenya, then for him to be a U.S. citizen-at-birth either:

(1) She would have had to have physically resided within the U.S. or an outlying possession thereof for 10 years prior to the birth, at least 5 of those after the age of 14; or,

(2) He would have had to have been born out of wedlock and she would have had to have resided within the U.S. or an outlying possession thereof for a continuous period of 1 year prior to the birth.

 

[This_person]

have you?

Yes, and I'm not impressed that it says what he says it says

prove it's his grandmother

Why? I'm not Berg

I said I talked to your grandmother.

Okay, YOUR idiot ass, not your grandmother's

And I don't want it to go to court because they're in on a conspiracy.

Good for you, but that's where it would be decided officially. All the crap afterword really means little

I think you should release all your records to the public right here on SOMD Forums. Furthermore, I think we should all be able to see and feel the documents in person to verify that they're real.

Okay, when I get elected president, and you charge in court that you have good reason to question my citizenship, I'll be happy to show you.

he went there and paid his respects... whats the big ####in' deal?

This woman took him in when both his mother and father abandoned him. She raised him.

His "respects" were to call her a typical white woman and play up his concept of her racial biases in doing so, and to visit her for 7 hours shortly before she died, celebrating his job interview with days of partying while she lay without him anywhere nearby. INHO, that's a pretty ####ty grandson, with no respect for his grandmother.

President-Elect Obama has a lot of work to do. He's got a cabinet to appoint, people to hire, a plan to present to Congress, a budget to present to Congress, a State of the Union to prepare and all the other smaller things. He can't afford the time to take off a week or a few days for a funeral.

I hadn't heard he was snubbing the funeral, also. I was referring to being with her as she was dying.

 

[Beaver-Cleaver]

PsyOps, that actually isn't correct. I hope my citing of current law way back in this thread didn't mislead you - if it did I apologize. I pointed out several times since then that it is the law that was in effect at the time that controls. But, there's been so much back and forth in this thread that a lot of stuff gets lost. I can find citations for that assertion if someone needs them.

Just to be clear, in accordance with the law at the time of his birth - if his mother was a U.S. citizen, and his father was not, and he was born in Kenya, then for him to be a U.S. citizen-at-birth either:

(1) She would have had to have physically resided within the U.S. or an outlying possession thereof for 10 years prior to the birth, at least 5 of those after the age of 14; or,

(2) He would have had to have been born out of wedlock and she would have had to have resided within the U.S. or an outlying possession thereof for a continuous period of 1 year prior to the birth.

"This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date."[/B]

 

[Ken King]

The actual reference to December 24, 1952 in the law comes from the following and indicates what it is applicable to.

1966—Subsec. (a)(7). Pub. L. 89–770 authorized periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization by the citizen parent, or any periods during which the citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person (A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or (B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization, to be included in order to satisfy the physical presence requirement, and permitted the proviso to be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952.

 

[Beaver-Cleaver]

His "respects" were to call her a typical white woman and play up his concept of her racial biases in doing so, and to visit her for 7 hours shortly before she died, celebrating his job interview with days of partying while she lay without him anywhere nearby. INHO, that's a pretty ####ty grandson, with no respect for his grandmother.

you took it way out of context and overexaggarated it like you righties always to everything Obama says or does.

I'm a white person and I wasn't offended at all about his "typical white person" comment and knew exactly what he meant.

There was a time, and still is to an extent, where white people saw black people walking down the streets and felt scared. Schit, read the dozens of threads about Waldorf and you'd know what I mean. Plenty of people have racial biases that doesn't mean they're racists. For his grandmother, she saw the days of segregation and the transition afterwards was scary to her especially when she was born and raised into a different lifestyle.

For some people, change is scary (again, just read the forums).