More on that Birth Certificate thing...

[Beaver-Cleaver]

The actual reference to December 24, 1952 in the law comes from the following and indicates what it is applicable to.

prove that she wasn't working for an "international organization"

and define "international organization" to the best of your abilities

 

[This_person]

you took it way out of context and overexaggarated it like you righties always to everything Obama says or does.

Andy, you're making no sense, again.

I heard it in context, and reported it back in the same vein. Nothing I wrote regarding what he did was in any way an exaggeration.

I'm a white person and I wasn't offended at all about his "typical white person" comment and knew exactly what he meant.

If you knew exactly what he meant, you'd be offended. So, I don't think you really did know exactly what he meant.

There was a time, and still is to an extent, where white people saw black people walking down the streets and felt scared. Schit, read the dozens of threads about Waldorf and you'd know what I mean. Plenty of people have racial biases that doesn't mean they're racists. For his grandmother, she saw the days of segregation and the transition afterwards was scary to her especially when she was born and raised into a different lifestyle.

For some people, change is scary (again, just read the forums).

"Typical" is okay, as long as it fits the stereotype?

Well, then, let's talk about stereotypes and agree they're all good, shall we?

 

[Tilted]

That's referring to a specific proviso within a specific sub-section of law regarding whether or not military or such service counts as physical residence for the purpose of meeting certain qualifications. It has no meaning in regards to the rest of the sections of that statute. You need to learn what a proviso is and you need to read all of the applicable law so that you understand what it is that you are talking about.

Trust me, I've read all of this many times and have a good handle on it.

Did you see my post about the repeal of the Naturalization Act of 1790? I hope you understand now that I was indeed correct when I pointed out to you that that did not apply.

Here is a comprehensive listing of interpretations cited by the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (Department of Homeland Security) that I cited earlier and which may help you understand the meanings of the law a little better.

If you'd read my posts, you would know that I'm not arguing that Obama isn't a natural born citizen, I'm just clearing up specific misstatements that have been made about the law.

(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 288 of title 22 by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person

(A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or ​

(B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 288 of title 22, may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date; and ​

The part in bold only applies to the proviso (i.e. the part in read) and not to the rest of the section. You need to read the things that you are talking about and not just take little snippets and think you understand that they mean.

 

[Tomcat]

This woman took him in when both his mother and father abandoned him. She raised him.

Wrong grandmother, the one who made the remark about his birth is still in Kenya.

 

[sunmoonstars]

but but but

one internet report on worldnet daily says somebody saw obama being born in kenya

right...
LOL

 

[Beaver-Cleaver]

Well, then, let's talk about stereotypes and agree they're all good, shall we?

why not? SOMD righties spew them when they fit their agenda.

So glad you're offended so easily. Shall I get you some cheese with your whine?

 

[Ken King]

prove that she wasn't working for an "international organization"

At his birth his mother was a student, was she not? What international organization was she a part of? Do you have access to any employment records for her?

and define "international organization" to the best of your abilities

International organization, as defined by law -

For the purposes of this subchapter, the term “international organization” means a public international organization in which the United States participates pursuant to any treaty or under the authority of any Act of Congress authorizing such participation or making an appropriation for such participation, and which shall have been designated by the President through appropriate Executive order as being entitled to enjoy the privileges, exemptions, and immunities provided in this subchapter. The President shall be authorized, in the light of the functions performed by any such international organization, by appropriate Executive order to withhold or withdraw from any such organization or its officers or employees any of the privileges, exemptions, and immunities provided for in this subchapter (including the amendments made by this subchapter) or to condition or limit the enjoyment by any such organization or its officers or employees of any such privilege, exemption, or immunity. The President shall be authorized, if in his judgment such action should be justified by reason of the abuse by an international organization or its officers and employees of the privileges, exemptions, and immunities provided in this subchapter or for any other reason, at any time to revoke the designation of any international organization under this section, whereupon the international organization in question shall cease to be classed as an international organization for the purposes of this subchapter.

 

[This_person]

Wrong grandmother, the one who made the remark about his birth is still in Kenya.

The one he ignored as she died is the one I was referring to regarding this comment.

 

[This_person]

why not? SOMD righties spew them when they fit their agenda.

So glad you're offended so easily. Shall I get you some cheese with your whine?

I don't know who you're talking about, but I don't go for stereotypes as a general guide for evaluating people.

And, I'm not that easily offended, but I know an offensive comment (like Obama's) when I hear one.

 

[Beaver-Cleaver]

At his birth his mother was a student, was she not? What international organization was she a part of? Do you have access to any employment records for her?

Burden of proof on all this is on you - you're the ones who want to blow smoke over Obama's birth it's on you.

After reading the dozens of pages in the dozens of threads, I've concluded that (a) Obama's birth certificate is real until PROVEN otherwise, (b) Obama was born in America UNTIL PROVEN otherwise and that (c) no matter what, you righties will believe the kooks over at WorldNetDaily over The State of Hawaii, the United States Government and other actual reliable sources and will continue to believe it's all a grand conspiracy and that everyone is in on it and everyone's liberal.

 

[Beaver-Cleaver]

I don't know who you're talking about, but I don't go for stereotypes as a general guide for evaluating people.

And, I'm not that easily offended, but I know an offensive comment (like Obama's) when I hear one.

okay, if it offends you then fine youre entitled to that opinion.





I read more offensive comments than that everyday on SOMD Forums, just read what Baja28 has to say on a regular basis.

 

[Ken King]

Burden of proof on all this is on you - you're the ones who want to blow smoke over Obama's birth it's on you.

After reading the dozens of pages in the dozens of threads, I've concluded that (a) Obama's birth certificate is real until PROVEN otherwise, (b) Obama was born in America UNTIL PROVEN otherwise and that (c) no matter what, you righties will believe the kooks over at WorldNetDaily over The State of Hawaii, the United States Government and other actual reliable sources and will continue to believe it's all a grand conspiracy and that everyone is in on it and everyone's liberal.

All accounts I have read on her are that she was a student and not employed at the time she gave birth. Thus the burden is on you to show something contrary to that.

The state of Hawaii has said a record exists, but provided no clarity as to what the record contains, the US Government hasn't said a damn thing one way or the other on the matter, and when people provide the actual text of the law it is you that would believe an online expose by genealogy.about.com versus that actual text.

As to my being a righty I think you are way off base there Sonny Boy. While admittedly a registered Republican (you can thank Clinton and his lying for that) I am about as centrist as anyone can be.

 

[Beaver-Cleaver]

All accounts I have read on her are that she was a student and not employed at the time she gave birth. Thus the burden is on you to show something contrary to that.

Why?

I'm not the plaintiff nor am I challenging Obama's birth certificate or citizenship. The burden of proof is on you.

 

[Ken King]

Why?

I'm not the plaintiff nor am I challenging Obama's birth certificate or citizenship. The burden of proof is on you.

And the proof I have is from biographical sources all of which say that she was a student, thus not employed by an international organization.

Furthermore, I personally have not claimed anything regarding the claims in the various suits is factual, though I feel that they should be explored and resolved. People that believe that Obama, without him providing a verifiable shred of evidence to prove his natural-born status, is natural-born seem to think our laws and Constitution mean nothing. So my question to you is, why, as a citizen, aren't you interested in the truth? That is all I am interested in.

 

[Beaver-Cleaver]

And the proof I have is from biographical sources all of which say that she was a student, thus not employed by an international organization.

Furthermore, I personally have not claimed anything regarding the claims in the various suits is factual, though I feel that they should be explored and resolved. People that believe that Obama, without him providing a verifiable shred of evidence to prove his natural-born status, is natural-born seem to think our laws and Constitution mean nothing. So my question to you is, why, as a citizen, aren't you interested in the truth? That is all I am interested in.

The birth certificate shown here FactCheck.org: Born in the U.S.A. looks real enough.

I don't put much weight and credibility into what whackjobs have to say. And Snopes (who also says he's a natural-born) is taken as the last word whenever they defend Bush on something so I don't know why it's different for the righties with Obama. :shrug:

 

[firstroundko]

The only logical explanation, is that President-elect Obama has had the U.S. State Department, the State of Illinois, and the State of Hawaii in his back pocket since August 4th, 1961. Otherwise, I can't see how any of the claims of ineligibility could possibly hold up.

 

[Plan B]

The birth certificate shown here FactCheck.org: Born in the U.S.A. looks real enough.
I don't put much weight and credibility into what whackjobs have to say. And Snopes (who also says he's a natural-born) is taken as the last word whenever they defend Bush on something so I don't know why it's different for the righties with Obama. :shrug:

Game, set, match. Next legend?

 

[This_person]

The only logical explanation, is that President-elect Obama has had the U.S. State Department, the State of Illinois, and the State of Hawaii in his back pocket since August 4th, 1961. Otherwise, I can't see how any of the claims of ineligibility could possibly hold up.

Why?

His HI BC looks just like his sister's, and she was born in Indonesia. I haven't heard anything about the state of Illinois recognizing any BC, and the State Dept would just look at his BC of record like anyplace else (assuming that was his ID he provided).

Nope, no conspiracy theory debunking there, because there's no conspiracy theory there.

 

[Ken King]

The birth certificate shown here FactCheck.org: Born in the U.S.A. looks real enough.

I don't put much weight and credibility into what whackjobs have to say. And Snopes (who also says he's a natural-born) is taken as the last word whenever they defend Bush on something so I don't know why it's different for the righties with Obama. :shrug:

Looks real enough, well damn it that's it, Andy says so, so it must be the truth.

But that isn't a "certificate of live birth" it is a "certification of live birth". "Certificates" contain information not contained on the "certification" and would remove any doubt as to the issue at hand.

What whackjobs are you talking about?

 

[PsyOps]

The birth certificate shown here FactCheck.org: Born in the U.S.A. looks real enough.

I don't put much weight and credibility into what whackjobs have to say. And Snopes (who also says he's a natural-born) is taken as the last word whenever they defend Bush on something so I don't know why it's different for the righties with Obama. :shrug:

Only when intarwebites deem it so. Anything that has gone before the USSC regarding Bush has played out in the USSC not Snopes. The Gitmo prisoners are a good example.

We can bat this back and forth until the cows squirt milk, but the USSC will have the final say. I'm just fascinated how sure folks from the left were that Bush lied about WMD and Bush committed war crimes, and Bush is torturing and Bush is spying on us and Bush is destroying the constitution… it went on and on and on and on… but now that there is any squeak of a question about Barack Obama you lefties can’t stand it. We’re whackjobs for questioning anything about THE ONE. What the heck do you call all those leftwing nuts that spewed their never-ending Bush hate? No matter how many names you call folks for pursuing this (and the plethora of other BO fodder that is yet to come) it’s not going away.

Take your medicine……. TAKE………. YOUR………… MEDICINE!