Motorcycling Maturity

[desertrat]

Just have to drive faster than the speed of pain.

Yes. That would be called the speed of never feeling anything again.

 

[gumbo]

This is generally because they stare at what they are trying to avoid and forget rule 1 of steering a bike "Look where you want to go".

Much of the art of motorcycle cornering is learning how to effectively "push" the grips into corners and how to maintain proper lean angles through the turn. When the need for a quick swerve to one side suddenly arises in an emergency, it is essential to know, through prior practice, that the handlebars must be deliberately pressed away on that side instead of being pulled. Many accidents result when otherwise experienced riders who have never carefully developed this skill encounter an unexpected obstacle.

Turn handle bars to left if you need to go right.

. . . Most riders, in an emergency, try to turn the bike in the direction they want to go. . . . I have known people who who have ridden for 30 years without having to face an emergency situation. Then, one day a car pulls out in front of them. They try to avoid it but the bike won't do what they want it to. So they get scared and quit riding. They realize that the control they thought was there—wasn't."

 

[Dutch6]

Much of the art of motorcycle cornering is learning how to effectively "push" the grips into corners and how to maintain proper lean angles through the turn. When the need for a quick swerve to one side suddenly arises in an emergency, it is essential to know, through prior practice, that the handlebars must be deliberately pressed away on that side instead of being pulled. Many accidents result when otherwise experienced riders who have never carefully developed this skill encounter an unexpected obstacle.

Turn handle bars to left if you need to go right.

. . . Most riders, in an emergency, try to turn the bike in the direction they want to go. . . . I have known people who who have ridden for 30 years without having to face an emergency situation. Then, one day a car pulls out in front of them. They try to avoid it but the bike won't do what they want it to. So they get scared and quit riding. They realize that the control they thought was there—wasn't."

You are so smart!

 

[Pete]

Much of the art of motorcycle cornering is learning how to effectively "push" the grips into corners and how to maintain proper lean angles through the turn. When the need for a quick swerve to one side suddenly arises in an emergency, it is essential to know, through prior practice, that the handlebars must be deliberately pressed away on that side instead of being pulled. Many accidents result when otherwise experienced riders who have never carefully developed this skill encounter an unexpected obstacle.

Turn handle bars to left if you need to go right.

. . . Most riders, in an emergency, try to turn the bike in the direction they want to go. . . . I have known people who who have ridden for 30 years without having to face an emergency situation. Then, one day a car pulls out in front of them. They try to avoid it but the bike won't do what they want it to. So they get scared and quit riding. They realize that the control they thought was there—wasn't."

Counter steering is the first thing new riders learn.

 

[desertrat]

You are so smart!

Counter steering is the first thing new riders learn.

He has inspired me to try riding again! Wish me luck. Last time I kept making wrong turns , got totally lost and swore I'd never ride again.

 

[onebdzee]

Counter steering is the first thing new riders learn.

First thing they teach you(before you even get on the bike) in the MSC....and when you do get on the bike, they keep drilling it in your head till the end of the class

 

[Dutch6]

First thing they teach you(before you even get on the bike) in the MSC....and when you do get on the bike, they keep drilling it in your head till the end of the class

You're so smart!

 

[Pete]

You're so smart!

What kind of bike did you get?

 

[edinsomd]

If you can't:
A. counter-steer
B. apply maximum braking without locking up your tires
you have no business on a street bike. Learn and pratice these skills, they may save your life one day.
Ed

 

[desertrat]

If you can't:
A. counter-steer
B. apply maximum braking without locking up your tires
you have no business on a street bike. Learn and pratice these skills, they may save your life one day.
Ed

I have to admit, I have twice in the last two years, locked up my rear brake. Once because I was trying to miss a stupid vulture (surprise!) and the other time it was slicker than I thought. Kept it pretty straight both times and did NOT let off while I was a bit sideways. The vulture was a pretty good test because I was going around a curve at the time and I remembered to straight out before braking. Good thing there were no cars coming the other direction.

 

[gumbo]

Counter steering is the first thing new riders learn.

The motorcycle riders involved in accidents are essentially without training; 92% were self-taught or learned from family or friends. Motorcycle rider training experience reduces accident involvement and is related to reduced injuries in the event of accidents.

More than half of the accident-involved motorcycle riders had less than 5 months experience on the accident motorcycle, although the total street riding experience was almost 3 years. Motorcycle riders with dirt bike experience are significantly under represented in the accident data.

Lack of attention to the driving task is a common factor for the motorcyclist in an accident.

Almost half of the fatal accidents show alcohol involvement.

Motorcycle riders in these accidents showed significant collision avoidance problems. Most riders would over brake and skid the rear wheel, and under brake the front wheel greatly reducing collision avoidance deceleration. The ability to counter steer and swerve was essentially absent.
The typical motorcycle accident allows the motorcyclist just less than 2 seconds to complete all collision avoidance action.

Motorcycle Safety Statistics: Crash, Fatal Bike Accidents

A boxer is also told not to flinch or close his eyes while getting hit.
He doesn't learn this because he was told.
He learns this by repetitive training.


And you can tell a motorcyclist to turn the handle bars into the on coming car until your blue in the face.
With out the repetitive training, your reflex will always over ride what your brain was thought.


What do you all do to train yourself?

BTW: I don't make these posts to be rude or hateful.
I write them because of my love for motorcycle riding and I have way too many tattoo's of tombstones.

 

[Larry Gude]

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. Motorcycle riders with dirt bike experience are significantly under represented in the accident data.


With out the repetitive training, your reflex will always over ride what your brain was thought.[/B]


What do you all do to train yourself?

BTW: I don't make these posts to be rude or hateful.
I write them because of my love for motorcycle riding and I have way too many tattoo's of tombstones.

There it is.

 

[Dutch6]

What kind of bike did you get?

2003 Honda Shadow Spirit 1100.

 

[Dutch6]

I have to admit, I have twice in the last two years, locked up my rear brake. Once because I was trying to miss a stupid vulture (surprise!) and the other time it was slicker than I thought. Kept it pretty straight both times and did NOT let off while I was a bit sideways. The vulture was a pretty good test because I was going around a curve at the time and I remembered to straight out before braking. Good thing there were no cars coming the other direction.

Correct me if I'm wrong but the way I understand all the reading on this is that if you lock up the back wheel all is not lost. If you lock up the front brak be ready for a free ride in a meat wagon.

 

[aps45819]

Correct me if I'm wrong but the way I understand all the reading on this is that if you lock up the back wheel all is not lost. If you lock up the front brak be ready for a free ride in a meat wagon.

Pretty much. If the front wheel stops while the rest of the bike is moving, it usually hurts. VERY easy to do on gravel or grass.
What screws you on locking the rear brake is realeasing it after the bike gets sideways. It will instantly straighten which flings you.
The amount of sideways is porpotional to the amount of fling.

 

[desertrat]

The motorcycle riders involved in accidents are essentially without training; 92% were self-taught or learned from family or friends. Motorcycle rider training experience reduces accident involvement and is related to reduced injuries in the event of accidents.

More than half of the accident-involved motorcycle riders had less than 5 months experience on the accident motorcycle, although the total street riding experience was almost 3 years. Motorcycle riders with dirt bike experience are significantly under represented in the accident data.

Lack of attention to the driving task is a common factor for the motorcyclist in an accident.

Almost half of the fatal accidents show alcohol involvement.

Motorcycle riders in these accidents showed significant collision avoidance problems. Most riders would over brake and skid the rear wheel, and under brake the front wheel greatly reducing collision avoidance deceleration. The ability to counter steer and swerve was essentially absent.
The typical motorcycle accident allows the motorcyclist just less than 2 seconds to complete all collision avoidance action.

Motorcycle Safety Statistics: Crash, Fatal Bike Accidents

A boxer is also told not to flinch or close his eyes while getting hit.
He doesn't learn this because he was told.
He learns this by repetitive training.


And you can tell a motorcyclist to turn the handle bars into the on coming car until your blue in the face.
With out the repetitive training, your reflex will always over ride what your brain was thought.


What do you all do to train yourself?

BTW: I don't make these posts to be rude or hateful.
I write them because of my love for motorcycle riding and I have way too many tattoo's of tombstones.

Might explain my luck. I rode and raced motocross and desert for about 6years. It does teach you a lot about what happens when you lose traction.

 

[GWguy]

Might explain my luck. I rode and raced motocross and desert for about 6years. It does teach you a lot about what happens when you lose traction.

You expect not to have traction, so it's not a surprise when you really do lose it.

 

[Dutch6]

Pretty much. If the front wheel stops while the rest of the bike is moving, it usually hurts. VERY easy to do on gravel or grass.
What screws you on locking the rear brake is realeasing it after the bike gets sideways. It will instantly straighten which flings you.
The amount of sideways is porpotional to the amount of fling.

Would explain everything I read say once the rear wheel is locked do't release it. Because of the flick factor?

 

[BS Gal]

I am riding with the Patriot Guard on Monday. I joined and I met the President of the Maryland Chapter today. That is a great organization. Not that it has anything to do with this tread.

Carry on.

 

[desertrat]

You expect not to have traction, so it's not a surprise when you really do lose it.

It was a surprise when I did! Of course the bike weighed about 175# so it was a little different. Best memory, desert race.. going over a sharp little hill I hadn't done before so I was being cautious. A guy passes me about 5' over my head on the down hill side!