Motorcyle crash, 2 killed. Makes my blood boil!

[PsyOps]

Lobby for it, it is your right. Like it's my right to be a member of the AMA and believe in the concept.

Your logic above is full of "probably"...

And your logic ignores the fact that every biker should have the reality that when they get on the road, just like any other kind of driver, they could get in an accident. The only difference being a bike against a car... the bike is going to lose. THAT is the reality of it. Your logic omits that reality. Someone driving a car should not be held to some higher consequence just because they get in an accident with a vehicle that is more difficult to see and the result is more catestrphic. I mean given this logic if a semi crushes a Civic they should be fined more heavily than if a Lexus crashed with a Civic.

 

[forceofnature]

Last I recall, that is a 40 mph road in that section... how fast was the bike going? If the bike was going considerably faster than the posted speed limit then the biker is the primary blame for this unfortunate event.

They could not have been going too fast the forks were not bent inward. I would say between 30-50 mph on estimate. Forks will bend pretty easily on impact.

 

[beamher]

it would be pretty tough to hit 80 around there. plus the guy wasn't that irresponsible, i really don't see it happening. but who knows, i've been wrong about people before.

it does sorta suck that 2 people died and all you guys can do is play the blame game, especially when you're blaming them. kinda sucks, don't you think? people are already sad about it and you just have to poke the bear and make em feel so much better. Bravo! Well done everyone!

so how irresponsible are you saying he was? and if the driver of the car was being blamed, it would be o.k?

 

[dave1959]

They could not have been going too fast the forks were not bent inward. I would say between 30-50 mph on estimate. Forks will bend pretty easily on impact.

At first I thought the same thing but if you look at the photos on Thebaynet
It looks a lot to me like the bike sideswiped the car.

 

[StadEMS3]

I would never own a bike around here. To many idiots on the road in a big hurry to go nowhere.

 

[bcp]

on the side of the bike riders.
the main reason I stopped riding bikes was because when I lived in virginia Beach, it seemed like drivers would look right at you, make eye contact, then just pull into your lane.

face it, you are on a bike, what are you going to do?

so, even though I dont totally agree with stricter penalties for a driver that hits a cycle, I can certainly understand the reason behind it. Anyone that does not understand has never been on a bike on the road.

 

[bcp]

They could not have been going too fast the forks were not bent inward. I would say between 30-50 mph on estimate. Forks will bend pretty easily on impact.

did the bike hit straight on? did he try to turn away from the car and hit sideways?

 

[BS Gal]

on the side of the bike riders.
the main reason I stopped riding bikes was because when I lived in virginia Beach, it seemed like drivers would look right at you, make eye contact, then just pull into your lane.

face it, you are on a bike, what are you going to do?

so, even though I dont totally agree with stricter penalties for a driver that hits a cycle, I can certainly understand the reason behind it. Anyone that does not understand has never been on a bike on the road.

I totally agree with stricter penalties for a driver that hits a cycle, if it is the driver's fault.

That said, how often do you see someone on a motorcycle talking on a cell phone, putting on makeup, arguing with kids in the backseat, zoning out to music etc.?

 

[bcp]

How often do you see a car doing 80 through bumper to bumper traffic down the center line, weaving back and forth around the cars?

the problem with what you are suggesting is that you are putting a higher degree of worth on the asshat biker on the crotch rocket, than you are on the newborn in the car seat that ends up dead because somebody didnt look before they pulled out.

 

[BS Gal]

How often do you see a car doing 80 through bumper to bumper traffic down the center line, weaving back and forth around the cars?

the problem with what you are suggesting is that you are putting a higher degree of worth on the asshat biker on the crotch rocket, than you are on the newborn in the car seat that ends up dead because somebody didnt look before they pulled out.

Are you replying to me? I agree that the crotch rockets totally eff it up for those of us that just want to ride. Not all crotch rocket riders, but seems to be the majority of them. Not Lug, not some others I have seen, but the young "I'll never die" riders. And they give the rest of us a bad rep.

 

[PsyOps]

I totally agree with stricter penalties for a driver that hits a cycle, if it is the driver's fault.

Outside of proving that the driver of the car purposely hit the biker simply because he was riding a bike, explain the rationale for this?

 

[bcp]

Are you replying to me? I agree that the crotch rockets totally eff it up for those of us that just want to ride. Not all crotch rocket riders, but seems to be the majority of them. Not Lug, not some others I have seen, but the young "I'll never die" riders. And they give the rest of us a bad rep.

generally speaking, the crotch riders are the ones that you read about most of the time.
not all, but most.

but as far as a greater penalty for the driver? I really doubt that any driver pulls out of the driveway with the intention of knocking down a bike.

like I said earlier, I almost hit one the other day on the beltway, he was in my blind spot, and if I didnt have a habit of keeping an eye on my mirror during the lane change, I would have hit him.
certainly not because I wanted to kill a biker.

 

[aps45819]

That said, how often do you see someone on a motorcycle talking on a cell phone, putting on makeup, arguing with kids in the backseat, zoning out to music etc.?

Sounds like your typical Goldwing rider

 

[BS Gal]

Outside of proving that the driver of the car purposely hit the biker simply because he was riding a bike, explain the rationale for this?

Awareness, my friend. Pay attention. Cars aren't the only things on the road.

 

[BS Gal]

generally speaking, the crotch riders are the ones that you read about most of the time.
not all, but most.

but as far as a greater penalty for the driver? I really doubt that any driver pulls out of the driveway with the intention of knocking down a bike.

like I said earlier, I almost hit one the other day on the beltway, he was in my blind spot, and if I didnt have a habit of keeping an eye on my mirror during the lane change, I would have hit him.
certainly not because I wanted to kill a biker.

And I was switching lanes the other day, doing the speed limit of 50, saw a car doing about the same speed as me, behind me in my left lane, checked over my shoulder, put my blinker on, gave her plenty of notice that I was moving over, gassed it and she sped it up to about 65 to keep me from cutting in. When I got over, I realized she had sped up and was trying to cut me off. Would it have been my fault if I got hit? Probably. I ASSumed she wasn't going to speed up when she saw my blinker and try to cut me off. She didn't want to let me in. Thank God I throttled it up as high as I could.

 

[GWguy]

Sounds like your typical Goldwing rider

Hey! I resemble that! And I woulda waved at ya but I couldn't find the wave button.....

 

[BS Gal]

Hey! I resemble that! And I woulda waved at ya but I couldn't find the wave button.....

You're a safe rider. I don't even know if I want to get on my bike again after the little incident a few weeks ago. There are so many aggressive drivers in a hurry around here.

 

[ylexot]

Too many assumptions bcp. Suppose while you are at it, that the skid mark was from the rear wheel and the front was supplying maximum braking capability. What then?

A very good assumption because if the front locks, the bike will go down in no time flat.

 

[ylexot]

it would be pretty tough to hit 80 around there.

Not for an R1. An R1 can probably get to 80 in about 3 seconds. maybe less...and it will only be in second gear.

 

[Beta84]

Not for an R1. An R1 can probably get to 80 in about 3 seconds. maybe less...and it will only be in second gear.

:shrug: i guess so, they can rev up fast. depends on which way they were going...1 side was around a curve, the other was straight. not sure if the car was making a left or right turn (i forget, don't feel like reading again). i drove by earlier this evening on the way out to meet you guys.

Speaking of which, someone was commenting on what side of the road they were on and it being the "wrong" side. They were undoubtedly on the correct side of the road (whichever side that was) and swerved + skidded to the opposite side. it fit regardless of which side they were on. Doesn't rule out speeding or anything, but it doesn't appear they were being wreckless by driving on the wrong side, like someone had suggested.