Moving a 12 yr old from public to private school

keepsmiling

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citysherry said:
Have you requested that your child be tested for an IEP (individualized education plan)? As a parent you have this right - but it is up to you to initiate the process. Children that have an IEP in place are given the extra help and time to complete lessons, etc.

My child is in IEP, that is why we have soo many meetings. And everybody really understands but it's just never been followed through. The only extra help I have requested is little reminders. It never worked out though. I have done punishments like you wouldn't believe and that is when I asked for help. I have many friends that have children that go to the same school. They requested the same type of "reminding" and the job was done with a smile. But for some reason, I can't get that help. I was trying so hard to get her used to the change from elementary to middle school.
 

itsbob

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keepsmiling said:
I agree with you too 100%. But when you have asked for some extra help and your turned down on several occasions, then what. I have tried. Trust me I have tried. My child is very well behaved, during the meetings one teacher complemented me on how she has excellent manners. But I needed a little "communication" help from the teachers and I didn't get it, and here we are going into March the grades have not gotten better they are worse.
DO you check her assignments every night? Does she have a homework notebook that you sign when you've checked her homework??
 

crabcake

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keepsmiling said:
My child is in IEP, that is why we have soo many meetings. And everybody really understands but it's just never been followed through. The only extra help I have requested is little reminders. It never worked out though. I have done punishments like you wouldn't believe and that is when I asked for help. I have many friends that have children that go to the same school. They requested the same type of "reminding" and the job was done with a smile. But for some reason, I can't get that help. I was trying so hard to get her used to the change from elementary to middle school.

Have you talked with the pediatrician to see if there's something else going on? :shrug:
 

keepsmiling

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robbie said:
I've always thought that I would be "crushing" for a child to be held back in middle or high school. My son has had a friend in middle and two in high school held back and all of them the following year (this year) are in the paper today on the principles honors list.
Sometimes it may be an issue with maturity.

Thank you. You hit it on the nose. She forgets to bring stuff home and I am almost positive that if there had been reminders at the beginning, we would have established a routine. I asked the teachers please sign his homework book so that I know she has homework, I've asked this a couple of times. She would come home, no homework, where's your homework book, in my locker, then I would find out that there was homework, and it wasn't turned in. I even asked the guidance counselor is this really asking way too much? She told me most of the teachers at the end of class did sign the homework books. It's not like I was up there yelling or any of that. I do understand that having 20 some kids isn't easy. But when you have some that do and some that don't, it became a losing situation. So she does need to mature and that is coming. She is soo sick of being punished.
 

Cowgirl

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itsbob said:
DO you check her assignments every night? Does she have a homework notebook that you sign when you've checked her homework??


:yeahthat: How can her grades be that bad if you check her homework every night and help her study? I went through a phase when I was in school where I didn't think I had to do my homework. My parents made me carry around a homework notebook and get all the teachers to sign it...then they checked it every single night. I was so embarassed by that...it didn't take long for me to get my act together.
 

Cowgirl

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keepsmiling said:
Thank you. You hit it on the nose. She forgets to bring stuff home and I am almost positive that if there had been reminders at the beginning, we would have established a routine. I asked the teachers please sign his homework book so that I know she has homework, I've asked this a couple of times. She would come home, no homework, where's your homework book, in my locker, then I would find out that there was homework, and it wasn't turned in. I even asked the guidance counselor is this really asking way too much? She told me most of the teachers at the end of class did sign the homework books. It's not like I was up there yelling or any of that. I do understand that having 20 some kids isn't easy. But when you have some that do and some that don't, it became a losing situation. So she does need to mature and that is coming. She is soo sick of being punished.


Sounds like the punishment isn't bad enough to make her bring her stuff home. I would take away everything (TV, computer, phone, etc) until she brought her stuff home.
 

Sweet 16

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bresamil said:
As others here are saying, parental involvement daily with the school leads to good communication with the teachers. That is one advantage of the private school in Solomons in that it is small, it needs volunteers for many efforts, the more you volunteer and are seen in the school the more open the communication becomes.
It is a little harder in public schools because, frankly, they just don't need us there - they have employees to provide lunch, work in the library, do office work, cover for the secretary that's out sick, etc. So you really have to make an effort to keep lines of commication open.
My son's graduation from private school and entry to public high school has taught me that lesson.
:yeahthat:

Another advantage of private school over public is the smaller class size which gives the children and their parents more personalized attention. Communication can still be an uphill battle though if you're not proactive and sometimes you have the same issues in private school as in public. We have done both and I am happier w/private but switching may or may not solve your problem.

I too am dreading public high school in the Fall because we'll lose that "where-everybody-knows-your-name-and-what-your-kid-is-doing" feeling we have now.
 
Sweet 16 said:
:yeahthat:

Another advantage of private school over public is the smaller class size which gives the children and their parents more personalized attention. Communication can still be an uphill battle though if you're not proactive and sometimes you have the same issues in private school as in public. We have done both and I am happier w/private but switching may or may not solve your problem.

I too am dreading public high school in the Fall because we'll lose that "where-everybody-knows-your-name-and-what-your-kid-is-doing" feeling we have now.
Note, for public middle schools... it's not 20+ students per teacher... it's 20+ students per teacher per period and if I'm not mistaken there are 8 periods in a day.
 

crabcake

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kwillia said:
Note, for public middle schools... it's not 20+ students per teacher... it's 20+ students per teacher per period and if I'm not mistaken there are 8 periods in a day.

Very good point! :yay: That's a LOT of kids to keep track of ... and to expect a teacher to remember which kids they're to cater to every 45 minutes is asking a bit much, I think. Next thing you know, parents will be pitching a fit that their kids aren't learning as much in class because the teacher has to kiss the asses of a few kids.

Oh wait, that's right ... we already have that. It's called "No Child Left Behind". :duh:
 

InsanelyBusy

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I want to clarify .. hopefully.

I'm not insinuating that private school is an ultimate solution.
Not at all. I'm just considering another avenue of education for my child, for next year. This year is close to being over. And I am not sure I want her in this school again next year. This school seems to be, for lack of a better phrase, "oraganized confusion".

My child is doing an average to above average job of getting an education in this middle school. However, I know my child is capeable of honors classes, and better grades.

I am seeing and have seen many red flags this year, concerning my childs physical safety while inside the school, as well as her education. Yes, there were major concerns that were not handled properly by the school, concerning our child, before Christmas time. If I had not been persistant, the situation would have escellated, and someone else's child would have not only ended up in juvinile detention (if this child isnt already there), and my child would have eventaully been more emotionally scarred that they are right now concerning this situation. And yes, this was a BIG situation. No I wont go into details about the situation.

I could write a book from our negative experiences with this school, this year alone. ( It might not sell..LOL but I could write a book)

I have been very active in trying to communicate with the teachers this year both via email, as well as phone calls. a percentage of the time, I leave message for the principal, he/she may eventaully call me back , and when they do call me back, they are clueless, or they think they have it figured out, agree with me, and have no idea as to what I am trying to convey to them.

I have 2 teachers who have communicated with me, very well, i might add, Out of a total of 12 (one was a substitute, and others are semester type classes) teachers this year. These are the teachers who utilize online communications, as well as "MyHomework.com" type sites, so that parents can see what is going on inside the classroom curriculum, and have an idea of what their kids should be learning during a certain time frame.

I agree that middle school aged kids are to be independant, and more responsible. However, until my child is 18, I am, as the parent, responsible for her actions. To me, this means passing AND failing in school. When I try everything I know of, and my childs education is still at question, I know there needs to be something else done, or considered.

I have found that most of these teachers do not email me back. I have been cordial, kind, and nice in my initial emails. One teacher refuses to use the email communication system completely. Unfortunately, this is the one and only class that my child is now close to failing, yet she carried an "A" previously, from the beginning of the school year until the most recent interim. I have spoken to the principal twice now about this particular situation, to try to get in touch with this particular teacher. This teacher seems to be rarely available. ANd has not made any attempt to reach me by phone, email, or letter.

I tried PTA meetings.
I dont necessarily have all the time to dedicate to these PTA goings on, and prefer to not get into their gossip issues. I believe that they have a positive mission, however. Kudos to them, for whatever it is that they get accomplished.

My child utilizes "the planner" that she recieved at school, also. THAT seems to be a big "pass the buck" solution to these folks here. I am being persistant, and have been trying to accomplish this with my child, in getting specifics in the planner comments, initials, and assignments written into it. It isnt happening. Even with a contract signed in a counselors office. My child is jotting things down, but sometimes the teachers dont have time to even consider signing them. my child has noted on several occassions.."had to get to next class- substitute could not sign", or "sub didnt call for planner today".
My child knows to put the arm up and ask to bring the planner to the teacher in this case. Sometimes, there apparently is not time for that as class is dismissed, due to having to go back to lockers to put books away , and get other books for next classes, or dash to the bus for the ride home, etc.

I also had a comment from one of the two teachers that I spoke with today tell me that they are so far behind in prepping our kids for the MSA, that they are rushing the curriculum, and using organizational time at the end of the school day, to teach new things that will be needed on the MSA. To me, this says that yes, they need to be prepping for the MSA, but this is cutting regrouping time...how do kids stay organized to succeed when that is taken away from them?

Iv'e gone over the situation with our child. We know that if we miss the bus, because we had to make sure we get what we need to complete assignments because of the cut organizational time, that a call is to be made home in the afternoon, and will have another ride home besides the bus..

OK. Let the bombing begin.
For some reason, I feel like I'm in for it, from this forum...LOL.

I do, however, appreciate all of your input, iddeas, and the way you may look at the situation so that I can form differnt ideas, a decision and conclusion...

:)
 

keepsmiling

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I really do appreciate everyone listening and letting me vent, I really have never have done so. It's a little humiliating I guess you can say when your child just doesn't get it. I never make excuses for my children, and they know that. I have two other kids, a senior at that, lol. He is having trouble with one particular class. I call that teacher every week. And it has helped. The teacher is great. Doesn't mind at all when I call. He has even pulled kids in on his planning period to help them make it thru his class. He is awesome.

So I guess what I am saying is of course I appreciate our teachers. I know it's not an easy job. But I just wanted to set up a routine for the transition from elementary to middle school. That's all I really wanted and needed. And after asking several times this year, it didn't work.
 
Wow. No bombing coming from here. Sounds like you do indeed have a mess on your hands and I at this point I don't know what I would do if I was in your shoes. I'd probably be considering switching schools. :ohwell:
 

citysherry

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keepsmiling said:
My child is in IEP, that is why we have soo many meetings. And everybody really understands but it's just never been followed through. The only extra help I have requested is little reminders. It never worked out though. I have done punishments like you wouldn't believe and that is when I asked for help. I have many friends that have children that go to the same school. They requested the same type of "reminding" and the job was done with a smile. But for some reason, I can't get that help. I was trying so hard to get her used to the change from elementary to middle school.

I bet your child really doesn't have an IEP in place at all. If your child does have one, it is up to you to enforce it. If your child's IEP states that they require multiple reminders, then the teachers have to conform. If the IEP states that they require additional time to get homework or classroom work completed then the teachers have to conform. At the beginning of the IEP process you are given a booklet that explains the student's rights and that if an IEP is not followed the student's rights have been violated and you have the right to sue the school system....they [school system] are not going open themselves up to such a potential law suit. Also, you have the right to request a review of your child's IEP in order to modify it every sixty days if you want.
 

crabcake

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keepsmiling said:
I really do appreciate everyone listening and letting me vent, I really have never have done so. It's a little humiliating I guess you can say when your child just doesn't get it. I never make excuses for my children, and they know that. I have two other kids, a senior at that, lol. He is having trouble with one particular class. I call that teacher every week. And it has helped. The teacher is great. Doesn't mind at all when I call. He has even pulled kids in on his planning period to help them make it thru his class. He is awesome.

So I guess what I am saying is of course I appreciate our teachers. I know it's not an easy job. But I just wanted to set up a routine for the transition from elementary to middle school. That's all I really wanted and needed. And after asking several times this year, it didn't work.

Since you identify this as an area the school is lacking, and your kids may/may not be the only one going through this, why don't you volunteer to chair a committee of parents to devise a plan/program for easing the transition from elementary to middle school ... parents working together WITH the teachers ... instead of expecting the teachers to do it all. Quit complaining about the problem and divert your energy into being part of the solution for others as well. :yay:
 
keepsmiling said:
I really do appreciate everyone listening and letting me vent, I really have never have done so. It's a little humiliating I guess you can say when your child just doesn't get it. I never make excuses for my children, and they know that. I have two other kids, a senior at that, lol. He is having trouble with one particular class. I call that teacher every week. And it has helped. The teacher is great. Doesn't mind at all when I call. He has even pulled kids in on his planning period to help them make it thru his class. He is awesome.

So I guess what I am saying is of course I appreciate our teachers. I know it's not an easy job. But I just wanted to set up a routine for the transition from elementary to middle school. That's all I really wanted and needed. And after asking several times this year, it didn't work.
I see your case as something completely different. In your case as described... it is the kid moreso than the school or teachers. Your kid may be better off doing the grade over again and letting maturity catch up.
 
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