Muhammad vs Jesus The Christ

[Starman3000m]

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C'mon, Xaquin, you should be able to give us an answer and give your opinion on the discussion you brought up. So, I'll reiterate:

If it didn't matter, then Yeshua gave His Life as the Lamb of God for no reason, is null and void and everyone is free to believe in a god that commands followers to hate and kill one another.
That is what is happening right now in this world even among Muslims; Shia' and Sunni. Which of them serve the right Al'lah?

 

[Xaquin44]

I was saying it doesn't matter to you what I believe.

 

[Starman3000m]

I was saying it doesn't matter to you what I believe.

Yes, it does matter. My obligation is to share with you that Yeshua paid the penalty for your sins and mine and it is through Him that God's Plan of Salvation is found.

Your eternal destiny, and the destiny of mankind, rests on whether one has accepted or rejected the Message of Yeshua:

I Am The Way, The Truth and The Life; No Man Can Come Unto The Father Except Through Me." (John 14:26)

If that is not true then God did not love man enough to have provided the way to escape His wrath that will come against n unbelieving world; even Islam teaches in the wrath of Al'lah against those who are not Muslim.

But then again, if Islam is true, which is the true Muslim; Sunni, Shi'a, Sufi', etc. ??? Do You Know?

 

[Xaquin44]

Oh come on, which is the true christianity then?

I won't take any guff from some guy who claims to love the ultimate good, but can't or refuses to see good from another religion.

If all you want to look for is bombings and beheadings then it is all you will ever see. I highly doubt god wished for you to be blind to the fact that anyone has the capacity for good regardless of who they worship.

 

[Starman3000m]

Oh come on, which is the true christianity then?

I have mentioned before that "Christianity" is a misnomber. True believers are called "Children of God" according to Yeshua. Yeshua never said His followers would be called "Christians" but Children of God IF they did His Father's Will and that is to accept God's Forgiveness throught the Atoning Blood of His Son. Yeshua said that His Doctrine was not His but was from His Father in Heaven.

A True Believer is "Born Again" by the power of God's Holy Spirit, according to Yeshua. That's the difference even though anyone can call themselves Christian and not be "Born Again".

I won't take any guff from some guy who claims to love the ultimate good, but can't or refuses to see good from another religion.

If all you want to look for is bombings and beheadings then it is all you will ever see. I highly doubt god wished for you to be blind to the fact that anyone has the capacity for good regardless of who they worship.

According to the Holy Bible, if the Truth is hidden it is hidden from those who are lost and blinded by the god of this world (Satan) who has deceived people into not accepting the Atoning Blood of Yeshua for the remission of sins.

There are many "Unbelievers" who do good works, have a good heart, want peace, don't hate anyone and still deny the existence of God. Fact is that many unbelievers give as much to charitable causes and may even live a morally better life than "religious" people. Those are the ones that do good works - but if good works is what saved a person then there would be no need for Religious Blood Atonements - the Ultimate and Final One provided by Yeshua HaMashiach who is Saviour for anyone who accepts Him and is Born Again as a Child of God.

The truth is anyone can say that they "believe in God" but the Truth is that they Do Not Believe God.

 

[Xaquin44]

why do you feel that simply being as good a person as they can isn't enough?

There are and were millions if not billions of people who have never heard of jesus christ. Surely they are not just s.o.l. right?

Barring all of this I have to question you.

You come in here a lot spreading everything bad you can find about muslims (well the vast minority that commit tremendous crimes anyway). Having read the bible, I don't remember really hearing jesus trash talk anyone. I mean, when addressing his followers he didn't focus on every terrible thing one group of people had done, but forgave them and showed them what they could be doing.

That said, why do you feel the need to talk so much crap? Is that what you think jesus would want you to do?

 

[Starman3000m]

why do you feel that simply being as good a person as they can isn't enough?

There are and were millions if not billions of people who have never heard of jesus christ. Surely they are not just s.o.l. right?

Barring all of this I have to question you.

You come in here a lot spreading everything bad you can find about muslims (well the vast minority that commit tremendous crimes anyway). Having read the bible, I don't remember really hearing jesus trash talk anyone. I mean, when addressing his followers he didn't focus on every terrible thing one group of people had done, but forgave them and showed them what they could be doing.

That said, why do you feel the need to talk so much crap? Is that what you think jesus would want you to do?

I would direct you to please read the New Testament for yourself. Yeshua's commission to His followers is to share about the love of God for mankind who cannot be pure and sinless so as to merit entry into heaven. Thus, the reason for Yeshua's Atonement for your sins and mine.

The Holy Bible states that we are Saved by Grace; It Is The Gift of God, and not earned by works, lest any may would boast.

Yeshua also verbally chided the religious leaders, scribes, Pharisees and lawyers who led people astray by commanding followers to abide by their man-made religious rules, regulations and traditions and turned true worship into a business.

Read it for yourself.

 

[Xaquin44]

I would direct you to please the New Testament for yourself. Yeshua's commission to His followers is to share about the love of God for mankind who cannot be pure and sinless so as to merit entry into heaven. Thus, the reason for Yeshua's Atonement for your sins and mine.

The Holy Bible states that we are Saved by Grace; It Is The Gift of God, and not earned by works, lest any may would boast.

Yeshua also verbally chided the religious leaders, scribs, Pharisees and lawyers who led people astray by commanding followers to abide by their man-made religious rules, regulations and traditions and turned true worship into a business.

Read it for yourself.

I don't know why I keep talking to you.

jesus sounds like a nice guy. Seriously. I guess it's cool to 'verbally chide' people and then send them to hell for eternity. You'd think the later would be enough.

I really just think you're using the bible to try and hate another culture.

The central theme of the bible is forgivness correct? What exactly are you accomplishing by posting inaccurate threads filled with untrue generalizations? You didn't answer any of my questions regarding what jesus would think of all this. As I recall from my years as an acolyte/sunday school assistant it isn't your job to judge.

Again, if you were truly a man of faith as you claim it seems to me you would be better for spreading hope, happiness, faith, and forgivness rather then just complain about muslims.

But thats just what I got from church and the bible.

 

[Xaquin44]

Also, you didn't address what happens to people who don't know who christ is.

Presumably since they haven't heard of jesus they don't simply go to hell .... not hearing about the bible simply shouldn't be grounds for hell, as location and language will dictate who hears of what.

So what are their criteria for entry? Since they can't get in by accepting jesus as their saviour then why can't other people?

 

[Starman3000m]

I don't know why I keep talking to you.

jesus sounds like a nice guy. Seriously. I guess it's cool to 'verbally chide' people and then send them to hell for eternity. You'd think the later would be enough.

I really just think you're using the bible to try and hate another culture.

The central theme of the bible is forgivness correct? What exactly are you accomplishing by posting inaccurate threads filled with untrue generalizations? You didn't answer any of my questions regarding what jesus would think of all this. As I recall from my years as an acolyte/sunday school assistant it isn't your job to judge.

Again, if you were truly a man of faith as you claim it seems to me you would be better for spreading hope, happiness, faith, and forgivness rather then just complain about muslims.

But thats just what I got from church and the bible.

As a man of faith in Yeshua's teaching, I only share that mankind needs a Saviour and that Saviour is Yeshua HaMashiach, the Son of God whose shed Blood atones for your sins and mine. It is also my duty to share that there are false teachers and religions that deny the deity of Yeshua and then it is up to the individual to accept God's Plan of Salvation through Yeshua alone or they can choose to reject God's Plan and continue to think they can earn their own way to heaven. Not just Muslims but any person who seeks God needs to know that He has already provided The Way to receive assurance for Salvation.

You still have not answered this: If Islam is true, which is the true Muslim; Sunni, Shi'a, Sufi', Black Muslim. Wahaabi, etc. ???

 

[Xaquin44]

As a man of faith in Yeshua's teaching, I only share that mankind needs a Saviour and that Saviour is Yeshua HaMashiach, the Son of God whose shed Blood atones for your sins and mine. It is also my duty to share that there are false teachers and religions that deny the deity of Yeshua and then it is up to the individual to accept God's Plan of Salvation through Yeshua alone or they can choose to reject God's Plan and continue to think they can earn their own way to heaven. Not just Muslims but any person who seeks God needs to know that He has already provided The Way to receive assurance for Salvation.

You still have not answered this: If Islam is true, which is the true Muslim; Sunni, Shi'a, Sufi', Black Muslim. Wahaabi, etc. ???

no, that isn't your duty. If it was soooo important then it would be extrordinarily easy for god to come on down and say so.

I've never claimed islam to be true. Personally, I feel that humans have attributed so much of their own personal feelings (be they hate, love, bigotry, etc.), to any and every religion that placing your eggs in any basket is a foolish thing to do.

Realisticly, I can't think of a better tribute to the creator then to be good to his other creations and enjoy what he made in a civilized manor.

I seriously doubt if god cares that you feel the need to warn people about his other creations.

 

[Starman3000m]

no, that isn't your duty. If it was soooo important then it would be extrordinarily easy for god to come on down and say so.

I've never claimed islam to be true. Personally, I feel that humans have attributed so much of their own personal feelings (be they hate, love, bigotry, etc.), to any and every religion that placing your eggs in any basket is a foolish thing to do.

Realisticly, I can't think of a better tribute to the creator then to be good to his other creations and enjoy what he made in a civilized manor.

I seriously doubt if god cares that you feel the need to warn people about his other creations.

The warning began with God in the first place unto all mankind. Yeshua represents the Word of God who came down to tell us the following:
(Please take the time to read them and pray to see if Yeshua is telling the Truth)

Yeshua said: “My doctrine is not mine, but His that sent me.
If any man will do His will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself. (John 7:16-17)

Yeshua said: “I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.” (John 12:46)

Yeshua said: “All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.” (Matthew 28:18-20)

Yeshua said: “It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.” (Acts 1:7-8)

Yeshua said: “The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection. (Luke 20:34-36)

Yeshua said: Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. (John 10: 1, 2, 7, 9 )

Yeshua said: “I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live” (John 11:25)

Yeshua said: “I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” (John 14:6)

Yeshua said:
“Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.”
Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you. ( Matthew 5: 3-12)

 

[JPC sr]

Deadbeat child support resister.

The warning began with God in the first place unto all mankind. Yeshua represents the Word of God who came down to tell us the following:
(Please take the time to read them and pray to see if Yeshua is telling the Truth)

Yeshua said:

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I do believe the man was asking what you have to say, and not what Yashua said.

 

[Xaquin44]

and I believe thats one of the only things I've agreed with JPC on.

I was asking you. I'm fully aware of the bible.

 

[Starman3000m]

and I believe thats one of the only things I've agreed with JPC on.

I was asking you. I'm fully aware of the bible.

C'mon, Xaquin, I have responded by telling you that my faith and trust is in Yeshua and that it is the commission of His followers to share His Truth with others. I mentioned that Yeshua Is The Word of God proclaiming God's Plan of Salvation for mankind and that is my duty to point others to Him and share that God changed and saved my life as a result of faith in Yeshua.

While you say that one should not put their eggs all in one basket you are apparently implying that all religions that claim to believe in a God must eventually lead to God. But, that is not what Yeshua stated when He proclaimed that HE Is The Only Way. That's the Message.

As far as all the verses posted (Yeshua said...) if you do not believe what His Words claim then how would you believe my words which hinge on Yeshua's claims? It is not my response but Yeshua's response that matters and His responses to your questions are found in the New Testament accounts of His life, ministry, suffering, crucifixion, death, resurrection and eventual return to establish God's True Peace upon this earth for a milennial reign.

There is Only One Truth: Either Yeshua Is The Divine Son of God and Saviour of mankind as He claimed, or, Yeshua is not the Saviour at all as most religions claim and whose claims Atheists scoff at.

I believe and place my faith in Yeshua alone and the accounts of His Divinity as recorded in The New Testament:

If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

(1 John 5:9-13)