Muhammad vs Jesus The Christ

This_person

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:diva: Some might find it hard to believe,

but I do not base my beliefs or my faith on any opinions.

Not even on my own opinions.
I, for one, do not find it hard to believe you do not base your beliefs on your own beliefs. No one could believe what you claim to.
 

Starman3000m

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I believe that catholics ARE christians.

Many denominations may consider and proclaim themselves to be "Christian" i.e., Mormons, Jehovah's Witness, H.W. Armstrong's World Wide Church of God, and cults like David Koresh-Branch Davidians and Jim Jones (Guyana incident) . Yet they are not.

Calling oneself a Christian does not mean one really is and that is what Jesus meant when He stated "Not all who say unto me, 'Lord, Lord' shall enter the Kingdom of Heaven..."

In other words, people are indoctrinated to go through the motions of religious rituals, traditions and obligatory practices imposed by zealot religious leaders who lead the congregants to believe that they are true and the only "right" way to God.

The pope has made it clear that the only way to receive salvation (with few exceptions) is to belong to the Vatican-led Roman Catholic Church. Rome has declared that the pope is the only authorized spokesman of God upon this earth, is infallible and what he says goes! Members of the Catholic Church are indoctrinated to believe that just by following what the pope says and remaining in the Catholic Church is what is needed for Salvation.

Sorry. It is not church membership or man's "church doctrine" that comprises a "Christian" per se. Yeshua even chided religious leaders when He stated that the people only paid lip-service by worshipping God with their canned prayers and rituals - all the while their heart was really not set on worshipping nor serving God at all.

It is true faith in following Yeshua and abiding by His call for a person to be "Born-Again" that comrpises a Child of God. God seeks each individual to worship Him in Spirit and in Truth. (John 4:24)
 
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Starman3000m

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Well it's a good thing you got it all right.

I mean -whew-

I didn't get it right, Yeshua Did and I have accepted Him as Lord and Saviour and the One through which my Salvation is assured.

You can have that right now if you wish, Xaquin, by learning who Yeshua is and how you can be reconciled with God through Him.

This is the Faith:
"I Am The Way, The Truth And The Life; No Man Can Come Unto The Father Except Through Me." (John 14:26)
 

Xaquin44

New Member
no no I mean you assume you're doing right by accepting him and worshiping him in your way.

Where presumably others have failed.
 

Starman3000m

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no no I mean you assume you're doing right by accepting him and worshiping him in your way.

Where presumably others have failed.

God knows who His Children are and the Spirit makes it evident in the life of the believer - it is the Holy Spirit that witnesses that we are the Children of God.
 

Lugnut

I'm Rick James #####!
no no I mean you assume you're doing right by accepting him and worshiping him in your way.

Where presumably others have failed.

From where I'm sitting that's the whole shtick. Doesn't matter if they are talking to an "unbeliever" or to a member of a different denomination of the SAME religion. :ohwell:

"I'm right, you are wrong"

I think I'd rather hear a debate between different denominations than between believer/nonbeliever. Maybe that would shed more light on this for me. I don't know.
 

Starman3000m

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From where I'm sitting that's the whole shtick. Doesn't matter if they are talking to an "unbeliever" or to a member of a different denomination of the SAME religion. :ohwell:

"I'm right, you are wrong"

I think I'd rather hear a debate between different denominations than between believer/nonbeliever. Maybe that would shed more light on this for me. I don't know.

Hi lugnut,

The debate between members of all denominations (I'm right-you're wrong) has been going on since days before Yeshua. Take a look at all religions who claim theirs is the exclusive one to belong to.

"Religiosity" is what Yeshua spoke against!

One does not have to belong to any "church" or organized religion to know God and be able to receive His Love, Forgiveness and reconciliation and be "Born Again" a spiritual renewing and relationship between an individual and God.

God will not ask which church you were a member of and how many good works you did in order to "earn" your Salvation; He will say I provided the Atonement for all of your sins through the life, death and resurrection of my Son who gave His life so that you may live.


Anybody can be a church member, give tithes and offerings, and partake of obligatory rituals and religious traditions. Doesn't mean their heart is really into it nor that the individual has really accepted Yeshua as the Lamb of God.
That IS God's Only Plan of Salvation! It's just that man wants to run religion as a business.
 

Xaquin44

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Do you go to church starman?

If so, why?

Would you feel comfortable switching since it apparently doesn't matter?


What if a muslim was a good god fearing person? Does it really matter if you don't believe jesus was the son of god if you love that god?
 

Starman3000m

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Do you go to church starman?

If so, why?

Would you feel comfortable switching since it apparently doesn't matter?


What if a muslim was a good god fearing person? Does it really matter if you don't believe jesus was the son of god if you love that god?

I gave up church "membership" and I worship God on a daily basis - not restricted to Sunday only.

I feel that there are some "churches" that are non-denominational where church membership is not rquired and which bring a body of believers together to worship God in Spirit and in Truth and where intercessory prayer is given for one another and for the lost who are without Yeshu'a Salvation.

These are the kind I attend from time to time but I believe it is NOT a necessity nor a requirement to attend each and every Sunday if one's heart is truly right with God. Worship and Fellowship with God is a 24/7 walk in the life of a true believer.

A Muslim who is sincere in loving God needs to know the God that they are worshipping;

In Islam, there is NO Guarantee of Salvation, except through martyrdom.

In Islam, Muslims are obligated to conduct ethnic cleansiing of Jews and to subjugate Christians and non-Muslims;

In Islam, Muslims are required to faithfully conduct the Salat, five prayers each day, in order to be right with Al'lah;

In Islam, Yeshua is NOT the Saviour of mankind and was not sacrificed for the remission of one's sins;

In Islam, Al'lah and an Islamic angel have already determined which Muslim will be a deen (resident) of "paradise" and which Muslim will be sent to the hell-fire (pre-destined salvation)

In Islam, a Muslim does not have the freedom to choose to convert to another religion and if he/she does that individual is to be killed,

and the list goes on.

Therefore, a Muslim needs to consider if Al'lah is really the True God of his/her Salvation.
 

Xaquin44

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It doesn't matter.

I'm just sad that someone who claims to believe in the ultimate good can't see that there is other good in the world regardless of it's alignment with your beliefs.
 

Starman3000m

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It doesn't matter.

I'm just sad that someone who claims to believe in the ultimate good can't see that there is other good in the world regardless of it's alignment with your beliefs.

It does matter. If all knew the True God and worshipped Him in Spirit and in Truth there would not be the divisiveness that there is.

If it didn't matter, then Yeshua gave His Life as the Lamb of God for no reason, is null and void and everyone is free to believe in a god that commands followers to hate and kill one another.
That is what is happening right now in this world even among Muslims; Shia' and Sunni. Which of them serve the right Al'lah?
 
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