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BernieP

Resident PIA
Disney4845 said:
Unfortunately they look at things like college degrees when they make their decisions and they say we don't have enough graduates. They don't look at rooftops and income as much as they should.
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they look at a lot of things and liars and figure and figures lie - the majority of the county are not highly paid workers, for all the high income earners, there are a lot of low income / poor.
There is a lot of poverty in SMC, people just like to look at the base and the pockets of McMansions. Look at LP city, L-town, the trailer parks along GM Rd.
That's just the tip.

When I say liars figure and figures lie there are different methods in statistics to describe the data;

The mode is the value that appears most often in a set of data.
The median is the numerical value separating the higher half of a data sample from the lower half.
The mean is the sum of a collection of numbers divided by the number of numbers in the collection.

If one were to use the mode to describe the income in the county they might find that the greater number of people were earning incomes of less than 40,000.
The county of course wants to report (for purposes of business development) the highest possible income on their website and marketing brochures.
But I would argue the school system might be showing the state and federal government a different number when it comes to begging for funding.

Businesses look at not only income, sure, SMC has grown but it's not even close to the population of Charles.
We think the housing density is high, but that's only in a few areas, and some of those areas are not the economic areas an upscale business would want to locate.
They look at the existing businesses to see what is selling and what is not.
And the do look at a variety of ethnic factors as well.

For an example, take two Macy's department stores, one in Waldorf and one in Annapolis. If you have ever shopped in both you would notice that they don't carry the exact same merchandise, the stores have a lot in common, but some of the merchandise is tailored to the consumers that are most likely to frequent that store.

Planning and zoning may have blocked certain types of commercial development, but they don't target specific stores or restaurants.

For example, if they could have looked ahead a few years, do you think the people who blocked the development of an indoor mall / retail center, would change their mind had they seen the multiple strip centers with all the entrances and exits that cause congestion.
 
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fatratcat

Member
BernieP said:
they look at a lot of things and liars and figure and figures lie - the majority of the county are not highly paid workers, for all the high income earners, there are a lot of low income / poor.
There is a lot of poverty in SMC, people just like to look at the base and the pockets of McMansions. Look at LP city, L-town, the trailer parks along GM Rd.
That's just the tip.

When I say liars figure and figures lie there are different methods in statistics to describe the data;

The mode is the value that appears most often in a set of data.
The median is the numerical value separating the higher half of a data sample from the lower half.
The mean is the sum of a collection of numbers divided by the number of numbers in the collection.

If one were to use the mode to describe the income in the county they might find that the greater number of people were earning incomes of less than 40,000.
The county of course wants to report (for purposes of business development) the highest possible income on their website and marketing brochures.
But I would argue the school system might be showing the state and federal government a different number when it comes to begging for funding.

Businesses look at not only income, sure, SMC has grown but it's not even close to the population of Charles.
We think the housing density is high, but that's only in a few areas, and some of those areas are not the economic areas an upscale business would want to locate.
They look at the existing businesses to see what is selling and what is not.
And the do look at a variety of ethnic factors as well.

For an example, take two Macy's department stores, one in Waldorf and one in Annapolis. If you have ever shopped in both you would notice that they don't carry the exact same merchandise, the stores have a lot in common, but some of the merchandise is tailored to the consumers that are most likely to frequent that store.

Planning and zoning may have blocked certain types of commercial development, but they don't target specific stores or restaurants.

For example, if they could have looked ahead a few years, do you think the people who blocked the development of an indoor mall / retail center, would change their mind had they seen the multiple strip centers with all the entrances and exits that cause congestion.
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St. Mary's County QuickFacts from the US Census Bureau

Please allow me to retort with a stats lesson of my own. You are supporting your hypothesis with a conspiracy theory about the G altering the data set. I suggest tin foil on your head and some decaf. Go to Zillow and start zippingthrough housing values and you'll see the problem with your theory. Your conspiracy would involve the US Census Bureau...and that's just not likely. Your remarks remind me of a hypothesis explanation from the journal of unlikely science:

•Null Hypothesis: the loss of my socks is nothing to do with alien burglary.
•Alternate Hypothesis: the loss of my socks is due to alien burglary.
 
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BernieP

Resident PIA
fatratcat said:
St. Mary's County QuickFacts from the US Census Bureau

Please allow me to retort with a stats lesson of my own. You are supporting your hypothesis with a conspiracy theory about the G altering the data set. I suggest tin foil on your head and some decaf. Go to Zillow and start zippingthrough housing values and you'll see the problem with your theory. Your conspiracy would involve the US Census Bureau...and that's just not likely. Your remarks remind me of a hypothesis explanation from the journal of unlikely science:

•Null Hypothesis: the loss of my socks is nothing to do with alien burglary.
•Alternate Hypothesis: the loss of my socks is due to alien burglary.
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The census is not 100%, it's a sampling.
A lot of people, particularly poor people, don't respond.
Housing prices have flat lined, if not declined in most areas.

It's not a conspiracy, you pick the method that produces the results you want.
 
acommondisaster

acommondisaster

Active Member
It's curious how some of the same people that bash Waldorf want the same sort of growth via businesses and services in their area. (because "if you build it, they will come".)
 
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fatratcat

Member
BernieP said:
The census is not 100%, it's a sampling.
A lot of people, particularly poor people, don't respond.
Housing prices have flat lined, if not declined in most areas.

It's not a conspiracy, you pick the method that produces the results you want.
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I always enjoy your posts. In this case, you've offered no empiracal evidence to support your hypothesis. No offense- I think your post is more of an epistemological assumption than anything else. In other words, it's wishful thinking masquerading as knowledge. In the case at hand, I choose to believe the census numbers, not because I have a closed mind, but because you have failed to offer any solid evidence.
 
Disney4845

Disney4845

Commercial Guy
Warren76 said:
Great Facebook page to inform folks about commercial development in Calvert, Charles, St. Mary's, and southern Prince George's county! I'm already on there!
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Thanks

FYI

Burger king is taking over the old Arby's in Prince Frederick

New posts were put up on the blog Saturday 4/20.
 
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OldHillcrestGuy

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Disney whats up with the new McKays in Charlotte Hall, something happen to stop construction. Its just a nice big area of dirt now with a nice green storm pond with ducks coming and going. Did the builder destroy some wetlands, there was a creek that started there on that land and ran down through the woods across the street from me in my developement Creek is still in my hood, but it looks to be the storm pond now on the construction site.
 
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Urbanite

Member
OldHillcrestGuy said:
Disney whats up with the new McKays in Charlotte Hall, something happen to stop construction. Its just a nice big area of dirt now with a nice green storm pond with ducks coming and going. Did the builder destroy some wetlands, there was a creek that started there on that land and ran down through the woods across the street from me in my developement Creek is still in my hood, but it looks to be the storm pond now on the construction site.
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Yea I'm curious too, they were going like gang busters now it looks like everything has come to a screeching halt
 
ylexot

ylexot

Super Genius
OldHillcrestGuy said:
Disney whats up with the new McKays in Charlotte Hall, something happen to stop construction. Its just a nice big area of dirt now with a nice green storm pond with ducks coming and going. Did the builder destroy some wetlands, there was a creek that started there on that land and ran down through the woods across the street from me in my developement Creek is still in my hood, but it looks to be the storm pond now on the construction site.
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Maybe this has something to do with it:
http://forums.somd.com/news-current-events/268396-ceiling-collapse-mckays-hollywood.html
 
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fatratcat

Member
Urbanite said:
Yea I'm curious too, they were going like gang busters now it looks like everything has come to a screeching halt
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Could it be related to the public/private sewer debacle? The one where the local representative sent the sewer improvement money to Lexington Park rather than his own district, which is apparently building a private septic system behind the Food Lion? Sorry for the run on sentence.
 
Disney4845

Disney4845

Commercial Guy
OldHillcrestGuy said:
Disney whats up with the new McKays in Charlotte Hall, something happen to stop construction. Its just a nice big area of dirt now with a nice green storm pond with ducks coming and going. Did the builder destroy some wetlands, there was a creek that started there on that land and ran down through the woods across the street from me in my developement Creek is still in my hood, but it looks to be the storm pond now on the construction site.
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Nothing to do with wetlands, I believe they had to do some work before permits expired. I will ask my agent that has the listing. We have a bunch of proposals for tenants to go thru with the landlord.

First part of work has to be inspected before next permit is issued.
 
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OldHillcrestGuy

Well-Known Member
Disney4845 said:
Xscape theater opens in Brandywine today
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Good name for the theater, once all the thugs start hanging out like the movies at the mall, you'll be looking for Xscape routes. :yahoo:

I do hope that it becomes a nice place to watch a movie, instead of having to drive to Va. or Annapolis.
 
joedancer

joedancer

bookman
highnote said:
Are we EVER going to get a whole foods or trader joes in southern MD?
Or at the very least, add a MOM's organic market in st marys.
St Marys has a lot of people that would shop at an organic grocer... but we have to drive at least 1.5 hours to get to any of them (and yes it takes me that long to get from lower st marys county to MOM's in waldorf). They would do a lot of business in st marys. Maybe MOM's could take that space in wildewood that McKays recently vacated?
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The Good Earth in Leonardtown is organic and you would be shopping a local business.
 
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