not having a college degree seen as a negative thing

[Roman]

That is the thing... anyone can skate by in college earning C's/D's just for showing up and putting in a little effort. Although I had all those people show up with degrees for a low level clerical job, I will say I noticed several did not have good grades. They had the degree but they put the least amount of effort into the process.

I think by Obama not showing his transcripts, he did have something to hide such as low grades. If he was a straight A student or even a high B student, his ass would have plastered that everywhere.

I was a 3.0+ in college, but I saw many C & D Students that did much better than I did with the practicum, and state boards. I am book smart whereas the others had it going on in our field of studies. Thankfully, the GPA is not written on the sheep skin.

 

[Merlin99]

I find it funny. People who demanded to see President Obama's college transcripts, because they didn't think he was smart enough to be president, now think having a college degree is elitist.

A lot of people wanted to see his records not for his GPA, but to see who paid for it.

 

[LibertyBeacon]

A lot of people wanted to see his records not for his GPA, but to see who paid for it.

Is the person/persons/organization/whatever which paid for college tuition part of "the record"?

I've seen mine and my kids' college "records" and there's no place on the form which says, "tuition paid for by …". I have the cancelled checks which were deposited, but it is really anyone's business who paid for Obama's or anyone else's college tuition?

 

[itsbob]

My oldest son and all his friends went the trade route... they do take classes part-time but they are not all that eager to hurry up and finish. :shrug: At first I was pissed at all of them but they gave me their opinions. One that stood out was how many have 4-year degrees, debt and still no job. They felt the people who can actually fix things were becoming few and far between and they felt the job market is in the trade fields.

Just a month ago, I was on an interview panel looking to fill 4 jobs in our local area paying a little over $14.00 an hour with no benefits and had a line out the door with people who have B.A./B.S. degrees and have been unable to find a job. Out of the 34 interviews my team conducted, only 2 or 3 had lessor than a 4 year degree. I have never had such qualified applicants for a low level clerical job but the job market is very thin. Will it get better? It just doesn't seem to be getting better.

In fact, I was just days away from making job offers when I got word that all hiring is frozen solid.

You're lying.. Obama and his sycophants have told us all is better.. the recession is over, unemployment is almost down to 5%.. Your story CAN'T be true..

 

[itsbob]

I was a 3.0+ in college, but I saw many C & D Students that did much better than I did with the practicum, and state boards. I am book smart whereas the others had it going on in our field of studies. Thankfully, the GPA is not written on the sheep skin.

I graduated 2003, right after the IT bubble.. BEFORE the bubble GPA didn't matter, you have a CompSci degree you were getting hired. Imagine the surprise when we went to the Job Fair at Penn State and ALL the booths (regardless of degree) demanded/ required a 3.0 (or higher) GPA. One or two of my fellow graduates (there were six of us total my class) had to go back and take some classes again to raise their GPA.

 

[vraiblonde]

I have a high school education - no college until I started taking classes a few years ago. I don't even have any real skills except that I know how to listen when someone wants to teach me something, and I know how to open the door when opportunity knocks. I am sharp enough, but not brilliant, and I grew up economically and socially disadvantaged.

So you don't need a college degree to succeed.

 

[LibertyBeacon]

The biggest red flag when I was hiring was the straight A or 4.0 student. They were all proud of their achievements, and figured they could walk right in to any organization they wanted to.

I never hired them. A student with a perfect record tells me they were not challenged in school. They don't know what failure feels like. They don't have the emotional tools to deal with failure. They were probably used to going to their profs when they got a B on a project and ask for extra credit opportunities to bring their grade back to an A. Or, god forbid, they whined and puled to their pahrunts who may intervene on their behalf.

In the real world, there will be failures. Whether you're an engineering organization which fixes complex problems, or part of a sales force, if you cannot demonstrate you've had significant failures and can demonstrate that you've learned something from your failures, then I am not interested.

 

[vraiblonde]

but it is really anyone's business who paid for Obama's or anyone else's college tuition?

He is our President and we have a right to know who his backers are.

By all accounts he grew up middle class, so how did he get that fancy advanced education? He himself admitted he toked his way through high school, so we know it wasn't academic scholarship. If nothing else, it should inspire kids who are in the same financial boat, to show them how it can be done.

 

[vraiblonde]

A student with a perfect record tells me they were not challenged in school. They don't know what failure feels like. They don't have the emotional tools to deal with failure. They were probably used to going to their profs when they got a B on a project and ask for extra credit opportunities to bring their grade back to an A. Or, god forbid, they whined and puled to their pahrunts who may intervene on their behalf.

Or it could mean they busted their ass because they are achievers.

I think your rationalization for not hiring the best and brightest is stupid.

 

[itsbob]

The biggest red flag when I was hiring was the straight A or 4.0 student. They were all proud of their achievements, and figured they could walk right in to any organization they wanted to.

I never hired them. A student with a perfect record tells me they were not challenged in school. They don't know what failure feels like. They don't have the emotional tools to deal with failure. They were probably used to going to their profs when they got a B on a project and ask for extra credit opportunities to bring their grade back to an A. Or, god forbid, they whined and puled to their pahrunts who may intervene on their behalf.

In the real world, there will be failures. Whether you're an engineering organization which fixes complex problems, or part of a sales force, if you cannot demonstrate you've had significant failures and can demonstrate that you've learned something from your failures, then I am not interested.

WOW.. where to start. OR the kid could have been mature beyond his years, and decades advanced over his peers. He/She knew how serious college was, and how much their GPA mattered, and wanted to ensure that they and their parents got their money's worth.. Didn't go out on Thirsty Thursday, took classes on Fridays, and just worked harder than everyone else.

You have a dismal outlook on your fellow human beings, and what a loss to your organization that you didn't hire the "best and the brightest!"

 

[itsbob]

Or it could mean they busted their ass because they are achievers.

I think your rationalization for not hiring the best and brightest is stupid.

I think it's a case of jealousy and now he (or she) is in a position to punish those that are smarter than he ever hoped to be.

You can tell a lot about a person by who they hire, and who they surround themselves with.. A jealous insecure, not so smart person will NEVER hire anybody smarter than themselves, or somebody they feel may appear smarter than them. Now that they are in the position of power, everyone better than them must be punished, and will NOT be hired, EVER!

A secure intelligent person will surround themselves and hire people far smarter and more diverse in thought than they are. Makes the team, company and products better, and in the end makes your job easier.

 

[kwillia]

I have a high school education - no college until I started taking classes a few years ago. I don't even have any real skills except that I know how to listen when someone wants to teach me something, and I know how to open the door when opportunity knocks. I am sharp enough, but not brilliant, and I grew up economically and socially disadvantaged.

So you don't need a college degree to succeed.

And by that same token I know folks who have multiple degrees, PHD... who are now in their late 30s and can't land a job because they've spent over a decade as a professional student and they can't find anyone that wants a soon to be 40 year old without experience.

 

[LibertyBeacon]

Or it could mean they busted their ass because they are achievers.

I think your rationalization for not hiring the best and brightest is stupid.

Worked out fine for me. I'll rely on the track record.

 

[LibertyBeacon]

WOW.. where to start. OR the kid could have been mature beyond his years, and decades advanced over his peers. He/She knew how serious college was, and how much their GPA mattered, and wanted to ensure that they and their parents got their money's worth.. Didn't go out on Thirsty Thursday, took classes on Fridays, and just worked harder than everyone else.

You have a dismal outlook on your fellow human beings, and what a loss to your organization that you didn't hire the "best and the brightest!"

Wait. Are you saying that a straight A record means you are the "best and the brightest"?

You want to think that one through?

 

[LibertyBeacon]

I think it's a case of jealousy and now he (or she) is in a position to punish those that are smarter than he ever hoped to be.

You can tell a lot about a person by who they hire, and who they surround themselves with.. A jealous insecure, not so smart person will NEVER hire anybody smarter than themselves, or somebody they feel may appear smarter than them. Now that they are in the position of power, everyone better than them must be punished, and will NOT be hired, EVER!

A secure intelligent person will surround themselves and hire people far smarter and more diverse in thought than they are. Makes the team, company and products better, and in the end makes your job easier.

I'm sure you also understand there is an interview process -- ours was very rigorous -- and that often times the straight A students were not a good fit.

We've hired people without a college degree whose only experience seemed to be playing video games. Those usually far exceeded expectations because video gamers understand 360 degree thinking that the 4.0 student may not.

I can assure you, I probably would have never hired you.

 

[LibertyBeacon]

A secure intelligent person will surround themselves and hire people far smarter and more diverse in thought than they are. Makes the team, company and products better, and in the end makes your job easier.

Where did you pick up that gem? The Breast Pocket MBA book?

 

[itsbob]

I'm sure you also understand there is an interview process -- ours was very rigorous -- and that often times the straight A students were not a good fit.

We've hired people without a college degree whose only experience seemed to be playing video games. Those usually far exceeded expectations because video gamers understand 360 degree thinking that the 4.0 student may not.

I can assure you, I probably would have never hired you.

Your loss, not mine.

So unlike what you first said, the hire decision wasn't yours to begin with, but the process that led to who was hired or not.

 

[itsbob]

Where did you pick up that gem? The Breast Pocket MBA book?

Not sure, I've never been to a business school, you?

Everything is funny and ridiculous to people not smart enough to understand it.

 

[Chris0nllyn]

I'm sure you also understand there is an interview process -- ours was very rigorous -- and that often times the straight A students were not a good fit.

We've hired people without a college degree whose only experience seemed to be playing video games. Those usually far exceeded expectations because video gamers understand 360 degree thinking that the 4.0 student may not.

I can assure you, I probably would have never hired you.

Similar thing in my workplace.

The 4.0 kids that get hired right away tend to be the ones with book smarts and no common sense. Contractors scratch their heads and ask "how the hell do you want us to build what you designed".

They also tend to be the ones with little social interaction skills.

Can't say they are "bad" workers though. They do what they need to, get to work on time, and meet their deadlines.

 

[LibertyBeacon]

Your loss, not mine.

So unlike what you first said, the hire decision wasn't yours to begin with, but the process that led to who was hired or not.

It was my company, but of course there was a process.