Obama Supreme Dictator

[Larry Gude]

Larry. Get on script.

As soon as you work for the goernment (except the military and the literally millions of DoD contractors) your brain is instantly taken over by the Oppressor Virus, where you become a full supporter of violent oppression.

I was hoping that by pointing out that people working for the gummint are actually friends and family and neighbors that, at the end of every day know, like us or not, the live among us, the point that they're actually with us would kinda reveal itself.

 

[TheLibertonian]

I was hoping that by pointing out that people working for the gummint are actually friends and family and neighbors that, at the end of every day know, like us or not, the live among us, the point that they're actually with us would kinda reveal itself.

Silly Larry.

That would mean the lizard people who eat all government workers and then transform into them didn't exist.

In all seriousness, since the Johnson/Nixon era it's been them vs. us, the government "for the people, by the people, and of the people" has been replaced in peoples minds with "we the people versus them the government".

I'm with you. I seem to be able to comprehend that people are people.

 

[Larry Gude]

Silly Larry.

That would mean the lizard people who eat all government workers and then transform into them didn't exist.

In all seriousness, since the Johnson/Nixon era it's been them vs. us, the government "for the people, by the people, and of the people" has been replaced in peoples minds with "we the people versus them the government".

I'm with you. I seem to be able to comprehend that people are people.

That said, the secrecy demands we allow, the threats we place,on people, their pay, benefits, heck, jail, it's a concern. That's part of why Snowden and others MUST be applauded and supported. It's harder for our friends and neighbors to help protect us if we allow all this massively excess secrecy to go on and on. We protect ourselves by protecting them.

 

[TheLibertonian]

That said, the secrecy demands we allow, the threats we place,on people, their pay, benefits, heck, jail, it's a concern. That's part of why Snowden and others MUST be applauded and supported. It's harder for our friends and neighbors to help protect us if we allow all this massively excess secrecy to go on and on. We protect ourselves by protecting them.

Gasp, you mean something obama actually can be criticized for? No Larry, we can only criticize him for setting up secret fema camps and planning to unleash ebola. We can't be distracted by such mundane things as illegal drone strikes on undeclared war targets and cracking down on whistleblowers and transparency advocates!

 

[This_person]

So, we come full circle. They are us.

So, if the government tells you that you cannot print something in the paper because they don't like it, it's the same as a publisher telling you that you can't print it? Because, they are us, right? There's no difference between government and citizen in your mind?

 

[This_person]

We can't be distracted by such mundane things as illegal drone strikes on undeclared war targets and cracking down on whistleblowers and transparency advocates!

No no no, those are not done by Obama. Those things are done by us, because there's no difference between the government and us.

Silly Lib.

 

[PsyOps]

So, we come full circle. They are us.

A government agency that was stood up to collect taxes now becomes a law-enforcement agency armed to the teeth, to be used against US....... is us.

 

[PsyOps]

No no no, those are not done by Obama. Those things are done by us, because there's no difference between the government and us.

Silly Lib.

That is, until some armed IRS agent comes banging on your door pointing an M4 at your face for not filing your taxes properly. Suddenly they aren't us anymore.

 

[This_person]

That is, until some armed IRS agent comes banging on your door pointing an M4 at your face for not filing your taxes properly. Suddenly they aren't us anymore.

But, they're neighbors! How could a government agent be someone different from us? Like in WWII, when the Democrats under FDR put American citizens of Japanese ancestry into camps, that was just us doing it to us - the government was not involved.

 

[PsyOps]

But, they're neighbors! How could a government agent be someone different from us? Like in WWII, when the Democrats under FDR put American citizens of Japanese ancestry into camps, that was just us doing it to us - the government was not involved.

Okie dokie.

 

[Larry Gude]

Well, you fellows are making this easy. I was trying to make the case that the gummint won't run too roughshod over us because the people that work in the gummint are our friends and neighbors and they'd only accept abusing folks so far. You're point seems to be clear; they won't care and they'll go along willingly. So, why bother? That level of force and willingness to use it can't be stopped.

I'll just be here stuck hoping you're wrong.

 

[This_person]

Well, you fellows are making this easy. I was trying to make the case that the gummint won't run too roughshod over us because the people that work in the gummint are our friends and neighbors and they'd only accept abusing folks so far. You're point seems to be clear; they won't care and they'll go along willingly. So, why bother? That level of force and willingness to use it can't be stopped.

I'll just be here stuck hoping you're wrong.

Sadly, hope is not a good strategy. Whether it was Nigerians selling Nigerians into slavery, Americans enslaving Americans, Germans killing Germans, Iraqis using chemical weapons against Iraqis, Americans putting Americans into internment camps, etc., history shows your fellow citizen will (when told to by "authority") hurt you. "I was just following orders/the law", they will say, as they do it.

The point of the Revolutionary War with GB was to stop the citizens of England from hurting the citizens of England, remember? And, a way to help ensure that the non-governmental citizens could keep the governmental citizens in check was to tell them it was a good idea - so good in fact that the "representative" government was not allowed to ever take it away from you - to own guns, and keep them on you whenever YOU choose.

 

[PsyOps]

Well, you fellows are making this easy. I was trying to make the case that the gummint won't run too roughshod over us because the people that work in the gummint are our friends and neighbors and they'd only accept abusing folks so far. You're point seems to be clear; they won't care and they'll go along willingly. So, why bother? That level of force and willingness to use it can't be stopped.

I'll just be here stuck hoping you're wrong.

So, you trust our government ------- because they are us? :shrug:

The push for stomping on our 2A rights. It can't happen, because they are us. Certainly our neighbors, who work for the government, are our friends and would never stand for abusing the folks this far.
The push for ignoring due process. Can't happen.
The Patriot Act. Never happened.
Militarization of our police. No way!

:shrug:

 

[TheLibertonian]

Like I said, the Oppressor Virus is injected as soon as you get into government. Shame but that's how it works.

 

[Larry Gude]

So, you trust our government ------- because they are us? :shrug:

The push for stomping on our 2A rights. It can't happen, because they are us. Certainly our neighbors, who work for the government, are our friends and would never stand for abusing the folks this far.
The push for ignoring due process. Can't happen.
The Patriot Act. Never happened.
Militarization of our police. No way!

:shrug:

You must feel terrifyingly oppressed. For better or for worse, I'm not even close to packing my bags for some other nation. How do you even get up in the morning with all this oppression?

I'd suggest go do something with family, play some guitar, drink a beer, or 12, go for a drive, take a vacation, read a book, watch a movie, go see a show or a play or go to the range or...wait. Can you even do any of those things???

 

[This_person]

You must feel terrifyingly oppressed. For better or for worse, I'm not even close to packing my bags for some other nation. How do you even get up in the morning with all this oppression?

I'd suggest go do something with family, play some guitar, drink a beer, or 12, go for a drive, take a vacation, read a book, watch a movie, go see a show or a play or go to the range or...wait. Can you even do any of those things???

So, if all of freedom isn't gone, none of it is, right? The TSA is pure freedom. Not being able to keep and bear arms in MD unless the government thinks you have a good enough reason is pure freedom, right?

 

[Larry Gude]

So, if all of freedom isn't gone, none of it is, right? The TSA is pure freedom. Not being able to keep and bear arms in MD unless the government thinks you have a good enough reason is pure freedom, right?

Do you honestly expect to have a conversation with me about this that is based on either/or?

Here is an either/or if you want to play the 0 intellect game; you can live in Maryland OR any other state. So, what's your choice?

 

[This_person]

Do you honestly expect to have a conversation with me about this that is based on either/or?

Here is an either/or if you want to play the 0 intellect game; you can live in Maryland OR any other state. So, what's your choice?

So, you're saying the "terribly oppressed" issue you raised isn't really a valid one? Because, that's pretty much an either/or issue you raised.

 

[Larry Gude]

So, you're saying the "terribly oppressed" issue you raised isn't really a valid one? Because, that's pretty much an either/or issue you raised.

No. I am saying what I said, I don't see the level of oppression you guys do.

 

[This_person]

No. I am saying what I said, I don't see the level of oppression you guys do.

I won't speak for Psy, but my issue is a lack of trust, not specific oppression to the point of moving out of the country.

I don't like many of the laws, and I certainly don't like the direction of many of the laws, but that doesn't mean I'm ready to move. I'm ready to help change occur, not move.

You agree the TSA is unconstitution, yes? Does that - in and of itself - mean that you should pack your bags? That you have trouble getting up in the morning? I certainly hope not, but it does imply that change is needed, and not in the direction of more government citizens armed or more governmental controls over who is armed and (more importantly) who is not.

Don't take things to the nth degree like that, and you won't be called on it.