Officer Involved Incident Under Investigation

[desertrat]

You might want to delete that. If that info is true, the supervisor is breaking the law by spreading it.

If it's not true, it isn't fair to the cop.

Yeah, it was probably his first time.

 

[vegmom]

From what I read he was supposed to be on duty within an couple hours.

Dude- you're supposed to knock a few back after work, after work.

 

[Solja_Boy]

From what I read he was supposed to be on duty within an couple hours.

Dude- you're supposed to knock a few back after work, after work.

This is an irrelivent fact. No body knows if he was going to go to work or not. He mave have been planning on calling out sick the next day.

 

[LateApex]

This is an irrelivent fact. No body knows if he was going to go to work or not. He mave have been planning on calling out sick the next day.

The above is irrelevant.

It doesn't matter if he were to call in sick etc.

The fact remains the off-duty officer was driving while intoxicated and tried to perform his duties as a law officer while intoxicated.

I'm not going to crucify this guy, but he should be reprimanded and MAYBE lose his job.

I say maybe because of this:

If the deputy were trying to stop a murder or some other crime that was violent in nature I would be grateful that he stopped - even if intoxicated.

On the other hand, the deputy stopped to mess with some redneck on his atv, and not some violent criminal.

The latter was not very bright on his part...

 

[vegmom]

My point is (even if the incident in question had not happened) what decent cop goes out and gets plastered a short time before he's supposed to report for duty? Or drinks at all in that close a time frame? It's a dangerous enough job sober.

 

[Solja_Boy]

The above is irrelevant.

It doesn't matter if he were to call in sick etc.

The fact remains the off-duty officer was driving while intoxicated and tried to perform his duties as a law officer while intoxicated.

I'm not going to crucify this guy, but he should be reprimanded and MAYBE lose his job.

I say maybe because of this:

If the deputy were trying to stop a murder or some other crime that was violent in nature I would be grateful that he stopped - even if intoxicated.

On the other hand, the deputy stopped to mess with some redneck on his atv, and not some violent criminal.

The latter was not very bright on his part...

I am not trying to cut him any slack and think he should loose his job. I am just saying that it is stupid to asume that he was going to show up for work the next day drunk. Expesially when people where making this asumtion after everyhting happend and he never went to work that day.

 

[JohnnyReb]

I don't see all of the DUI/DWI related charges sticking because they did not occour in the presence of a law enforcement officer. Who is to say he was driving? Did he admit to it? The Assualt charges may not stick because he was attempting to effect an arrest.

If this were an isolated incident with this deputy, I'd hate to see him lose his career over it.

 

[MMDad]

I don't see all of the DUI/DWI related charges sticking because they did not occour in the presence of a law enforcement officer. Who is to say he was driving? Did he admit to it? The Assualt charges may not stick because he was attempting to effect an arrest.

If this were an isolated incident with this deputy, I'd hate to see him lose his career over it.

There were witnesses that saw him driving drunk. An officer doesn't have to witness a crime for it to be prosecuted. It does make prosecution more difficult because then it comes down to witness credibility.

The assault charge is very likely to stick because of the alcohol involvement. That puts his credibility at about zero in the "he said - she said" situation.

I predict he plea bargains for reduced charges or PBJ and loses his job. The sherriff can't afford the liability of having him on the force.

I don't care if this was an isolated incident. If the story is true he crossed a line that can't be uncrossed. He did this to himself, and he has nobody else to blame.

 

[JohnnyReb]

There were witnesses that saw him driving drunk. An officer doesn't have to witness a crime for it to be prosecuted. It does make prosecution more difficult because then it comes down to witness credibility.

Without getting in to too much detail because I simply do not have the time, you must prove impairment at the time of operation of the vehicle. How are we to know that he didn't "slam" liquor right before the incident and was "on his way up"? Also, when it comes to traffic law, with one excpetion a law enforcement officer must witness the violation. If 20 people see you spinning tires in a parking lot and call the cops, and the cop does not witness the infraction, can he issue the citation? No.

The law is very complicated so getting into a bunch of what ifs is a pointless waste of time.

The assault charge is very likely to stick because of the alcohol involvement. That puts his credibility at about zero in the "he said - she said" situation.

I predict he plea bargains for reduced charges or PBJ and loses his job. The sherriff can't afford the liability of having him on the force.

I don't care if this was an isolated incident. If the story is true he crossed a line that can't be uncrossed. He did this to himself, and he has nobody else to blame

You either committed the offense beyond a reasonable doubt or you didn't, regardless of alcohol present. The presence of alcohol does not make the Deputy any more or less guilty.

Without being there no of us can say for sure.

 

[Solja_Boy]

The Assualt charges may not stick because he was attempting to effect an arrest.

The person was already handcuffed and on the ground when he was assaulted. Another cop had to come stop him from hitting the guy more. That sounds like assault to me.

 

[foodcritic]

kinda true

Without getting in to too much detail because I simply do not have the time, you must prove impairment at the time of operation of the vehicle. How are we to know that he didn't "slam" liquor right before the incident and was "on his way up"? Also, when it comes to traffic law, with one excpetion a law enforcement officer must witness the violation. If 20 people see you spinning tires in a parking lot and call the cops, and the cop does not witness the infraction, can he issue the citation? No.

The law is very complicated so getting into a bunch of what ifs is a pointless waste of time.




You either committed the offense beyond a reasonable doubt or you didn't, regardless of alcohol present. The presence of alcohol does not make the Deputy any more or less guilty.

Without being there no of us can say for sure.

Where I used to work that was true but i st mary's yes you can write the citation and list the witness(s) on the citiation......If you listen to the scanner it happens all the time...IE people calling in "reckless operation" or possible DUI, Passing school bus...etc...It is possible. Not something I have ever used but it can happen.