okay...what do we have here....

[vraiblonde]

"widely reported" is no different than saying "many people are saying":

Prove it or stop lying

You are seriously pathetic.

 

[StmarysCity79]

You are seriously pathetic.

Just prove it. Should'nt be hard if its widely reported

I did and always do with sources.

 

[Kyle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRw0fA6YHUw

 

[gary_webb]

Sure. I'll play. Lets start with 5 and see if you can handle that much honesty

But once i do i expect you to respond. Not just dismiss the truth i have shown you or disappear.

1.Nearly 300 times Trump falsely said that he passed the biggest tax cut in history. Even before his tax cut was crafted, he promised that it would be the biggest in U.S. history — bigger than President Ronald Reagan’s in 1981. Reagan’s tax cut amounted to 2.9 percent of the gross domestic product, and none of the proposals under consideration came close to that level. Yet Trump persisted in this fiction even when the tax cut was eventually crafted to be the equivalent of 0.9 percent of the gross domestic product, making it the eighth-largest tax cut in 100 years.

2. As the 2020 election neared, Trump nearly 50 times falsely reassured his supporters that Mexico was footing the $15 billion bill for his barrier along the southern border. U.S. taxpayers are paying, mostly via money Trump diverted from authorized military construction projects. This was perhaps Trump’s most famous campaign promise — during the 2016 campaign, he said more than 200 times that Mexico would pay for the wall — so he simply pretended he had fulfilled it in an effort to reassure his base that he had succeeded.

3. “It’s going to be a fraud,” Trump told Sean Hannity of Fox News a month before voters went to the polls. “This is a terrible thing that’s happening to our country.”
After his election defeat, Trump spoke or tweeted about little except to offer lies about a stolen election, even as he or his supporters lost more than 60 court cases as judges repeatedly rejected his claims as bogus. After Nov. 3, he made more than 800 false or misleading claims about election fraud, including 76 times offering some variation of “rigged election.”

4. One-fifth of his nearly 2,500 claims about the economy was the same falsehood — that he was responsible for creating the greatest economy in U.S. history. After the coronavirus outbreak tanked the economy, he amped up the rhetoric to say he had created the greatest economy in world history. Neither claim is true; under just about every metric, Dwight D. Eisenhower, Lyndon B. Johnson and Bill Clinton had more robust economies during their presidencies. Even before the pandemic, Trump’s economy was already faltering because of his trade wars, with the manufacturing sector in a technical recession.

5.such as the claim that he repealed a provision of the U.S. tax code that prohibits religious organizations from endorsing or opposing political candidates. (All he did was issue a toothless executive order, but he obviously thought it was so important to evangelical groups that he falsely claimed he achieved one of their key political objectives.)

Sorry to disappoint you, I've no idea where you got the idea that I am a fact checker.

However, I do see you are very fond of the term 'nearly', and 'nearly' does not convey a statement of truth. It may nearly convey something, just not of truth. What you describe as truth seems much more like subjective opinion on your behalf, if in fact they are truly your opinions and not just a cut and paste job.

Therefore, I am nearly sorry, you have not met my standards of truth.

Any Fact Checkers out there?

 

[StmarysCity79]

Sorry to disappoint you, I've no idea where you got the idea that I am a fact checker.

However, I do see you are very fond of the term 'nearly', and 'nearly' does not convey a statement of truth. It may nearly convey something, just not of truth. What you describe as truth seems much more like subjective opinion on your behalf, if in fact they are truly your opinions and not just a cut and paste job.

Therefore, I am nearly sorry, you have not met my standards of truth.

Any Fact Checkers out there?

So as usual you dismiss the truth whole cloth in favor of a stupid joke or a personal attack after someone takes the time to try to educate you.

Nearly 300 means almost 300 times. So you believe someone lying to you 285 times is ok. As long as they don't cross the threshold of 300 times.


And of course you have nothing to say to the 5 examples i showed you.

glad i didn't waste time showing you ten.

If you still support Trump at this point you are either willfully ignorant (as you are) or just plain dumb.

And you are certainly unamerican.

 

[stgislander]

Who knew Jessica Tarlov was a member of SOMD forums.

 

[phreddyp]

So as usual you dismiss the truth whole cloth in favor of a stupid joke or a personal attack after someone takes the time to try to educate you.

Nearly 300 means almost 300 times. So you believe someone lying to you 285 times is ok. As long as they don't cross the threshold of 300 times.


And of course you have nothing to say to the 5 examples i showed you.

glad i didn't waste time showing you ten.

If you still support Trump at this point you are either willfully ignorant (as you are) or just plain dumb.

And you are certainly unamerican.

The little tid bit that you cannot seem to grasp is this. Folk's support Trump because in this whole political nightmare he is the ONLY one WORTH supporting! It seems that no one and I do mean no one in congress takes their job seriously and does what is best for the American people! It is all partisan except when they spend other people's money, both sides are guilty of incredible wasteful spending. Trump at least cares about the public and this country!

 

[gary_webb]

So as usual you dismiss the truth whole cloth in favor of a stupid joke or a personal attack after someone takes the time to try to educate you.

Don't you hate it when people act just like you?

 

[herb749]

This counting of lies thing is strange. If you say that's a lie, if its repeated its still the same lie so it still should be counted as one lie. Its the same lie. Biden has repeated the same lie about the truck driver in the accident his 1st wife died in was drunk. He repeated it during the campaign. How many times has he repeated it in his over 40 yrs in politics .? Boasting about the economy is one thing. Telling a lie about an innocent man is worse.

 

[SamSpade]

This counting of lies thing is strange. If you say that's a lie, if its repeated its still the same lie so it still should be counted as one lie. Its the same lie. Biden has repeated the same lie about the truck driver in the accident his 1st wife died in was drunk. He repeated it during the campaign. How many times has he repeated it in his over 40 yrs in politics .? Boasting about the economy is one thing. Telling a lie about an innocent man is worse.

Oh it's dumber than that - making a campaign promise and not fulfilling it isn't a lie, unless it can be shown it was never intended to be done. Saying you're going to "cure cancer" - as Biden has repeatedly said - isn't a lie so much as it is a promise he can neither deliver on, nor does he possibly remember saying it. Not a lie, just supremely stupid.

I don't see "Read my lips" as a lie, because I was working for the government when Bush 1 was corralled into raising taxes by the Dems. In the long run, it was a good choice, but there's no question he meant to keep taxes down.

On the other hand, Wilson "he kept us out of the war" was a barefaced lie, as we were at war within 3 weeks of his second inaugural. He clearly had every intention of going to war.

 

[phreddyp]

Oh it's dumber than that - making a campaign promise and not fulfilling it isn't a lie, unless it can be shown it was never intended to be done. Saying you're going to "cure cancer" - as Biden has repeatedly said - isn't a lie so much as it is a promise he can neither deliver on, nor does he possibly remember saying it. Not a lie, just supremely stupid.

I don't see "Read my lips" as a lie, because I was working for the government when Bush 1 was corralled into raising taxes by the Dems. In the long run, it was a good choice, but there's no question he meant to keep taxes down.

On the other hand, Wilson "he kept us out of the war" was a barefaced lie, as we were at war within 3 weeks of his second inaugural. He clearly had every intention of going to war.

Bush 1 was NOT corralled; he was a yes man and a weak commander in chief. He folded on raising our taxes.

 

[SamSpade]

Bush 1 was NOT corralled; he was a yes man and a weak commander in chief. He folded on raising our taxes.

We'll have to agree to disagree. I thought he handled the savings and loan failure perfectly. I thought he assembled the nations against Iraq's invasion of Kuwait brilliantly. And I also think if Perot had never run, he would have won re-election.

But my point was - it's not a lie if you make a promise you intended to keep but failed to keep. It's only a lie if you NEVER intended to keep it.

 

[phreddyp]

We'll have to agree to disagree. I thought he handled the savings and loan failure perfectly. I thought he assembled the nations against Iraq's invasion of Kuwait brilliantly. And I also think if Perot had never run, he would have won re-election.

But my point was - it's not a lie if you make a promise you intended to keep but failed to keep. It's only a lie if you NEVER intended to keep it.

If he was so brilliant, why did we go back to Iraq? Just another job half done! I met Perot in Bermuda at the Castle Harbor Mikado's seemed like a decent man spent ton of money getting his employees out of Iran during the revolution.

 

[SamSpade]

If he was so brilliant, why did we go back to Iraq? Just another job half done!

Because we did do something in war - for once - we don't do, typically. LEAVE once the objectives are acheived. We always linger and waste time "nation building".

There's also the sentiment among so many that we should not have gone into Iraq a second time - at all. If that's true, then there WASN'T any unfinished business, then, was there?

According to National Security Directive 54 ,there were four major objectives - complete Iraqi withdrawal from Kuwait , restore Kuwait’s government, protect American lives (in particular, free hostages), and “promote the security and the stability of the Persian Gulf”.

There's that - and the fact that should we have invaded further, we would have lost the support of nations like Saudi, who did not want an invasion of Iraq (and they really didn't want us in Riyadh in the first place). I never got this - at the beginning of the war, Saddam was poised to invade Saudi, and during the course of the war, flooded the Gulf with oil to befoul Saudi's sources of fresh drinking water.

I don't think any other President in modern times has so carefully constructed an alliance of so much of the world against another nation. Typically, it's a hotheaded charge into war.
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Look, I'm not going to be drawn into a long discussion of the merits of Bush I - I go back to my original remark - it is not a lie if you make a promise you don't keep unless you never intended to keep it.

And with that, I'm done discussing George H W Bush.

 

[phreddyp]

Because we did do something in war - for once - we don't do, typically. LEAVE once the objectives are acheived. We always linger and waste time "nation building".

There's also the sentiment among so many that we should not have gone into Iraq a second time - at all. If that's true, then there WASN'T any unfinished business, then, was there?

According to National Security Directive 54 ,there were four major objectives - complete Iraqi withdrawal from Kuwait , restore Kuwait’s government, protect American lives (in particular, free hostages), and “promote the security and the stability of the Persian Gulf”.

There's that - and the fact that should we have invaded further, we would have lost the support of nations like Saudi, who did not want an invasion of Iraq (and they really didn't want us in Riyadh in the first place). I never got this - at the beginning of the war, Saddam was poised to invade Saudi, and during the course of the war, flooded the Gulf with oil to befoul Saudi's sources of fresh drinking water.

I don't think any other President in modern times has so carefully constructed an alliance of so much of the world against another nation. Typically, it's a hotheaded charge into war.
___________________________________________________________________________________________

Look, I'm not going to be drawn into a long discussion of the merits of Bush I - I go back to my original remark - it is not a lie if you make a promise you don't keep unless you never intended to keep it.

And with that, I'm done discussing George H W Bush.

I was done with him when he left Saddam Hussein alive in Iraq!

 

[StmarysCity79]

Oh it's dumber than that - making a campaign promise and not fulfilling it isn't a lie, unless it can be shown it was never intended to be done. Saying you're going to "cure cancer" - as Biden has repeatedly said - isn't a lie so much as it is a promise he can neither deliver on, nor does he possibly remember saying it. Not a lie, just supremely stupid.

I don't see "Read my lips" as a lie, because I was working for the government when Bush 1 was corralled into raising taxes by the Dems. In the long run, it was a good choice, but there's no question he meant to keep taxes down.

On the other hand, Wilson "he kept us out of the war" was a barefaced lie, as we were at war within 3 weeks of his second inaugural. He clearly had every intention of going to war.

Building a wall and saying Mexico will pay for it is a lie.

Saying he will release his taxes once he is the nominee is a lie.

Saying he cant release his taxes because he was under audit was a lie.

Saying he donated his presidential salary was a lie.

 

[stgislander]

I see he/she's up early today.

 

[Kyle]

I see he/she's up early today.

Last nights bottle must have only been half full.

 

[LightRoasted]

For your consideration ...

it is not a lie if you make a promise you don't keep unless you never intended to keep it.

And pray tell what is the standard for judging this? How would one ever know, outside of an admission from the promisor, that your statement is correct?

 

[SamSpade]

For your consideration ...



And pray tell what is the standard for judging this? How would one ever know, outside of an admission from the promisor, that your statement is correct?

Subsequent behavior. Like a guy who lies to get into a girl’s pants and ghosts her afterwards. Like smirking and saying “he didn’t win, did he?”. Some things don’t need clarification.