Oregon Rottie Kills Child

[Loper]

A trusted friend does not turn into a killer. A dog is not your friend - it's an animal, a pet. And if you trust it, you are stupid.

This is why animal nutties are so annoying - they humanize their pets. I feel sorry for these dogs that maul little kids. Yes, you read that correctly. 9 times out of 10, they shouldn't have been left alone with the kid in the first place and many of them shouldn't be around people at all. But animal mommies insist that their precious would never hurt a fly and they get careless. So now a dog - a damned animal - is demonized for doing what nature tells it to do.

And some human gets nailed in the process.

Peter Pan is a work of fiction and Nana isn't really a babysitter.

animal nutty here...

but I have to agree with 90% of your post.. people do humanize their pets when they should be animalizing themselves. Our dogs do not think as we do and we need to remember that. Both dog owners and dogs NEED training and that doesn't matter on the breed. The level of training really depends on the dog breed and the owners ability to have that breed. It should be common sense to people but it isn't.

What I disagree with your post is that you can't trust your dog. That is just plain BS.

 

[Crashpupty]

In this case of the American Bull Dog - the owner was a breeder who also showed the breed - so she knew full well the implications of not being cautious enough - this was not an in-experienced dog owner. Very sad to have happened either way.

Yet she kept her dogs on chains? Very sad yes, experienced and reputable... maybe not so much I think. The owner/breeder is totally at fault.

 

[vraiblonde]

What I disagree with your post is that you can't trust your dog. That is just plain BS.

Anyone who completely trusts any animal is stupid. I stand by that.

 

[Crashpupty]

Anyone who completely trusts any animal is stupid. I stand by that.

People are still animals and the same applies.

 

[ArkRescue]

I agree - why you ask? Because many years ago we had a police K-9 GSD that I assumed was well evaluated prior to his acceptance into the K-9 Division - Err WRONG! He was found to have serious food aggression issues due to what was believed to be prior abuse. Well his food aggression behavior was not an issue until I forgot and fed him then walked past him to tend to the laundry ... (narrow area).... prior to that I would feed him and walk away - the other direction ....

It wasn't really a joke that no other law enforcement officer would let his dog be near him as he would attack them and their handler (and he did). Who lets this kind of dog be a part of law enforcement I thought? - but he was such a SWEET boy really outside of uniformed work - just not to those he didn't know (or other dogs)! We took strict measures to keep him isolated believe me.

Anyway .. I tried to walk past him to exit the laundry area as he was eating and he tried to bite ME! I was insulted/offended! I was serious as I tried to pass again, and realized this dog was going to bite me! I called for help so I could pass this dog! I was NOT giving IN to his aggression at all (not alone anyway LOL).

This dog was eventually poisoned by our neighbor and I spent his last weeks of life feeding him food from my hand (water too) so he went full circle. It was one of the saddest days of my life when he had to be put down.

Anyone who completely trusts any animal is stupid. I stand by that.

 

[happyappygirl]

We've spent almost 30 years importing, breeding raising and training some of the most well bred Rottweilers in the world. 2 of our were kids bitten by OTHER people's Rotties unrelated to mine, with us right there - not kids left unattended with dogs, right in the same ROOM 5 feet away from the kid and the dog. It happened that quick. One snap in the direction of a kid who is face high with a 100 lb dog both times. Both were unaltered male "housepets" both kids were 4 years old. Coincidence? I don't believe in coincidence.

Our own dogs, including dogs we've bred and sold have never bitten anyone in 30 years of breeding an average of one litter a year. We have always been supremely careful with our dogs when kids were around, ours or anyone else's, and even more so with placing them when sold, because Rotts are a working breed. And ours are bred for superior family dog temperaments out of lines that are known to produce family dog temperaments.

We've never sold males to families who had or were considering having kids, and we've only rarely sold them to people who didn't intend to alter them. No exceptions have ever been made once we interviewed families and made decisions on who got pups. We also require all family members to visit us before we decide who gets a pup unless we are shipping them, and then we require references. We've ticked off several families by Just saying NO. If a parent can't control their kid, how will they control a 100 lb Rottweiler??

Not enough people take that kind of time with placing pups. We're expecting a litter in a month, our first in several years, and we'll do exactly the same thing we've always done. Place them with extreme care, for the sake of the dog AND the breed.

 

[ArkRescue]

Sounds like you are NOT like typical breeders who breed for profit ....... there are many of those unfortunately ....

We've spent almost 30 years importing, breeding raising and training some of the most well bred Rottweilers in the world. 2 of our were kids bitten by OTHER people's Rotties unrelated to mine, with us right there - not kids left unattended with dogs, right in the same ROOM 5 feet away from the kid and the dog. It happened that quick. One snap in the direction of a kid who is face high with a 100 lb dog both times. Both were unaltered male "housepets" both kids were 4 years old. Coincidence? I don't believe in coincidence.

Our own dogs, including dogs we've bred and sold have never bitten anyone in 30 years of breeding an average of one litter a year. We have always been supremely careful with our dogs when kids were around, ours or anyone else's, and even more so with placing them when sold, because Rotts are a working breed. And ours are bred for superior family dog temperaments out of lines that are known to produce family dog temperaments.

We've never sold males to families who had or were considering having kids, and we've only rarely sold them to people who didn't intend to alter them. No exceptions have ever been made once we interviewed families and made decisions on who got pups. We also require all family members to visit us before we decide who gets a pup unless we are shipping them, and then we require references. We've ticked off several families by Just saying NO. If a parent can't control their kid, how will they control a 100 lb Rottweiler??

Not enough people take that kind of time with placing pups. We're expecting a litter in a month, our first in several years, and we'll do exactly the same thing we've always done. Place them with extreme care, for the sake of the dog AND the breed.

 

[ArkRescue]

Additionally - it doesn't matter how well bred - a dog is a dog - as much as we want to THINK the wild-ness can be bred out - it can not, nor can the desire for a dog to WANT to be number 1 in the pack. They act out, we admit they do it, yet we try to think we can make them THINK like us, yet they do not, and CAN NOT. It is unusual for a dog to attack a child, but it happens unfortunately. It IS something that can be prevented.

I will NEVER be a fool to think that good breeding will stop a dog from being a dog.

 

[ArkRescue]

IMHO I think like many others before her, she thought her dogs were too well bred to kill? Common misconception of many dog owners. They do what they do based on instinct - something that takes decades to breed out, not generations (if then, sometimes never).

this is true. But the one TINNNYYY bit of helicoptering in my bones thinks I would have a hard time letting a 4 year old be outside alone..maybe older..but 4 seems a tad young? I dunno, I don't have one.

 

[rpexie]

Im semi afraid of large dogs. I dont think all are aggressive, I just know that if one wanted to attack me I would be in serious trouble since Im a small person. I dont really feel comfortable around large dogs and I dont like when people let their dogs run free off of leashes, people will assure me "Oh! dont worry their friendly!!", but as another poster said I look at as a true animal, I dont know what its thinking.
Ive always had very tiny dogs like Chi's, and yes I know they can nip and be annoying and even aggressive but if my little 5lb Applehead Chihiuhuha got it into his head he was going to attack and kill me, well its just not going to happen.

 

[TurboK9]

In this case of the American Bull Dog - the owner was a breeder who also showed the breed - so she knew full well the implications of not being cautious enough - this was not an in-experienced dog owner. Very sad to have happened either way.

I've known a few dog breeders who know gobs about breeding and very very little about behavior...

I've known trainers who couldn't handle a dog worth doo doo....

I've know professional handlers who can't train a dog to breath....

Just because you have sold cars for the last 20 years does not mean you know a dang thing about what makes it run....

 

[Baja28]

Tis. Same kid. Same dogs. Kid had a different last name, remarried mama or some such I guess. Read the article.

Edit: Unless you are referring to the Bulldog.... That was an AB, not a pit, and again, fits a "stupid owner" profile... Mom left the kid alone... with CHAINED dogs. "She got tangled in a dog chain when her mother went inside the home."

I think, more than banning the dogs, we need to ban stupid people. Sorry Baja, but I can't place the blame on a breed when ultimately, it's people being stupid and / or irresponsible who are responsible. SOme people just shouldn't own dogs. ESPECIALLY large breed, potentially deadly dogs.

No, I was referring to the Pitt. And again, no one is able to explain why you rarely hear about the other large breed dogs mauling/killing children (ok, all you nutties hit google to find a story or two). It is the breed plain and simple and you will never convince me otherwise.

I read posts here from the chest thumping breeders/trainers who's "dogs have never harmed anyone". The fact alone that they won't sell males to families with children or will have children prooves the point that it is the breed. I've never heard of anyone refusing to sell Lab puppies, or GS or GD etc.

It is the breed. End of story. Case closed.

 

[TurboK9]

No, I was referring to the Pitt. And again, no one is able to explain why you rarely hear about the other large breed dogs mauling/killing children (ok, all you nutties hit google to find a story or two). It is the breed plain and simple and you will never convince me otherwise.

I read posts here from the chest thumping breeders/trainers who's "dogs have never harmed anyone". The fact alone that they won't sell males to families with children or will have children prooves the point that it is the breed. I've never heard of anyone refusing to sell Lab puppies, or GS or GD etc.

It is the breed. End of story. Case closed.

Too bad it was an American Bulldog and not a Pitt Bull. So it seems you found another breed that mauls all on your own. You nuttie you.

But I digress... I agree that anyone who would purposely breed dogs of any breed, knowing full well that they are 'drain bamaged' to the point of no longer being a viable, safe, companion, is indeed a waste of oxygen. ANd yes, I have known of people selling GSD's, Dutchies, Mals, ('working' dogs primarily) with similar restrictions. These dogs are supposedly for protection... in reality they are broken in the melon. Mean dogs do not an effective guardian make (unless you are guarding a salvage yard, hehe).

Like I keep saying, it goes back to the humans. I say, let's start holding people resonsible for the actions of their dogs. Criminally. Owner gets charged with assault or worse, as if the dog was a gun. These aren't accidents... it's negligence. Then maybe the people who shouldn't own dogs, or want a 'tough' dog, will think twice.

In a manor, Baja, I agree with you. But as far as singling out by breed, I see the problems within these breeds as being recent in the grand scheme, and a symptom of stupid people doing stupid things with no accountability. And I see them being replaced by other breeds if these people loose access to the ones they have now. I don't see bans or restrictions solving the problem, just shifting the issue to other large breeds.

 

[TurboK9]

IMHO I think like many others before her, she thought her dogs were too well bred to kill? Common misconception of many dog owners. They do what they do based on instinct - something that takes decades to breed out, not generations (if then, sometimes never).

Good short post.

"Too well bred to kill"

Behavior is maybe 5% breeding and 95% training and socialization.

Part of the trouble is, if you want a dog that will work, you need drive. If you want a dog that trains easy, you need prey drive. Any breeder who breeds for work or sport needs to breed to keep prey drive strong... But it also makes them a danger to small, fast moving objects (kids, bicycles, balls, squirrels, shi-tzus...). This is why training is so imperative. I don't mean 'sit' - 'shake'.... I mean serious control work. Only people willing to spend the time and effort, in my opinion, should own such dogs. It's an awful lot of work but it is soooo worth it.

 

[Baja28]

Too bad it was an American Bulldog and not a Pitt Bull. So it seems you found another breed that mauls all on your own. You nuttie you.

But I digress... I agree that anyone who would purposely breed dogs of any breed, knowing full well that they are 'drain bamaged' to the point of no longer being a viable, safe, companion, is indeed a waste of oxygen. ANd yes, I have known of people selling GSD's, Dutchies, Mals, ('working' dogs primarily) with similar restrictions. These dogs are supposedly for protection... in reality they are broken in the melon. Mean dogs do not an effective guardian make (unless you are guarding a salvage yard, hehe).

Like I keep saying, it goes back to the humans. I say, let's start holding people resonsible for the actions of their dogs. Criminally. Owner gets charged with assault or worse, as if the dog was a gun. These aren't accidents... it's negligence. Then maybe the people who shouldn't own dogs, or want a 'tough' dog, will think twice.

In a manor, Baja, I agree with you. But as far as singling out by breed, I see the problems within these breeds as being recent in the grand scheme, and a symptom of stupid people doing stupid things with no accountability. And I see them being replaced by other breeds if these people loose access to the ones they have now. I don't see bans or restrictions solving the problem, just shifting the issue to other large breeds.

Not the bull dog story, the Rott that killed the 4 year old. Bull dogs are nowhere near the killers (if at all) Pitts and Rotts are. In fact this is the first story I've heard of a BD killing a human.

 

[SoMDGirl42]

I have less reservations about leaving my children alone in a room with a 4 pound yorkie than I would a 104 pound dog, and that includes almost any breed that size. There is potential to injure or kill at that size. I would never leave my child alone around a 50 pound pit, period.


I understand it's animal instinct. I blame the parents just as much.

 

[SoftballCrazy]

I have less reservations about leaving my children alone in a room with a 4 pound yorkie than I would a 104 pound dog, and that includes almost any breed that size. There is potential to injure or kill at that size. I would never leave my child alone around a 50 pound pit, period.


I understand it's animal instinct. I blame the parents just as much.

Small dogs can do damage too, I still wouldn't leave any dog w/ a baby/child...wasn't it a daschund (sp) that chewed thru a playpen, to get to the baby's diaper and ate some of the baby's private parts? I would think it would be easier for an adult to stop a small dog that weighs considerably less than a large breed, but if it has teeth - it can still do damage to a child/baby.

 

[SoMDGirl42]

Small dogs can do damage too, I still wouldn't leave any dog w/ a baby/child...wasn't it a daschund (sp) that chewed thru a playpen, to get to the baby's diaper and ate some of the baby's private parts? I would think it would be easier for an adult to stop a small dog that weighs considerably less than a large breed, but if it has teeth - it can still do damage to a child/baby.

I agree, small dogs can do damage. That's why I said I have less reservations. I did not say I would have no reservations. And those dogs that chewed off private parts and the other one that chewed off toes, WTF were the parents???? How do you not hear your baby screaming while that's happening? Please........

I'd still take on a 4 pound yorkie quicker than a 50 pound pit or a 100 pound Rottie. yorkie >>> <<< me

 

[campinmutt]

my dad was a K9 trooper and we had his dog ,Bo,as our family pet when he was not working. he was 135 lbs GSD and he could be trusted with us kids. he was a big teddy bear and never hurt a hair on us ,plus he did watch out for us and kept us out of trouble. we had a fenced yard ,he would herd us away from the fence if a stranger approached,was always on Kid Duty....when the kids were not around he became the K9 dog on duty...he knew which job to do and when ..he was awesome !! maybe one of a kind, but awesome!!

 

[Cowgirl]

It's obvious some people who are posting in this thread don't own dogs.