Oregon Rottie Kills Child

[happyappygirl]

FWIW I didn't say mine COULDN'T be trusted with kids, I raised 5 with these dogs both male and female dogs, including showing them in the AKC and european ring and have won some hard dog contests with them too. They have correct temperament for the breed, which means tractable, trainable and trustworthy enough to compete then jump into the pond after a ball right along with my son.

I said I DIDN'T place males with families with young kids because in my opinion the average person won't do what it takes to properly socialize, train and be a responsible owner for a male large breed working dog.

Different breeds are bred to do different things. Rotts were the butchers dog in Rottweil Germany. The butcher would put his money in a pouch around the dog's neck, and send it home alone. The money and the dog got home safely. This made them independent thinkers, fearless and smart. My Rotts also live peacefully with my Cavaliers, young and old.

I've met more nasty poodles, jacks, chis and dacshunds in my life than enough TYVM.

 

[Baja28]

FWIW I didn't say mine COULDN'T be trusted with kids, I raised 5 with these dogs both male and female dogs, including showing them in the AKC and european ring and have won some hard dog contests with them too. They have correct temperament for the breed, which means tractable, trainable and trustworthy enough to compete then jump into the pond after a ball right along with my son.

I said I DIDN'T place males with families with young kids because in my opinion the average person won't do what it takes to properly socialize, train and be a responsible owner for a male large breed working dog.

Different breeds are bred to do different things. Rotts were the butchers dog in Rottweil Germany. The butcher would put his money in a pouch around the dog's neck, and send it home alone. The money and the dog got home safely. This made them independent thinkers, fearless and smart. My Rotts also live peacefully with my Cavaliers, young and old.

I've met more nasty poodles, jacks, chis and dacshunds in my life than enough TYVM.

Since it's obvious you're referring to my post, you need to re-read what I wrote as you misread.

 

[Baja28]

It's obvious some people who are posting in this thread don't own dogs.

How so?

 

[BS Gal]

A trusted friend does not turn into a killer. A dog is not your friend - it's an animal, a pet. And if you trust it, you are stupid.

This is why animal nutties are so annoying - they humanize their pets. I feel sorry for these dogs that maul little kids. Yes, you read that correctly. 9 times out of 10, they shouldn't have been left alone with the kid in the first place and many of them shouldn't be around people at all. But animal mommies insist that their precious would never hurt a fly and they get careless. So now a dog - a damned animal - is demonized for doing what nature tells it to do.

And some human gets nailed in the process.

Peter Pan is a work of fiction and Nana isn't really a babysitter.

Does this mean I have to take Rassie and Yoda to the bathroom with me when you visit?

 

[Loper]

No, I was referring to the Pitt. And again, no one is able to explain why you rarely hear about the other large breed dogs mauling/killing children (ok, all you nutties hit google to find a story or two). It is the breed plain and simple and you will never convince me otherwise.

I read posts here from the chest thumping breeders/trainers who's "dogs have never harmed anyone". The fact alone that they won't sell males to families with children or will have children prooves the point that it is the breed. I've never heard of anyone refusing to sell Lab puppies, or GS or GD etc.

It is the breed. End of story. Case closed.

The link I posted about the researcher developing software for kids discussed the Rottie, a Husky, a Weimaraner, and a Wolf Hybrid mix.

I don't disagree with you that certain breeds are more dangerous than others and in the wrong hands can be deadly. Yet, I still don't blame the whole
breed(s) for the rogue attackers. What about the thousands or hundreds of thousands of those breeds that are out there, that have never attacked anyone or anything or shown any amount of aggression?

There are bad dogs out there, everywhere, of every breed. There are even more bad dog owners out there, some of them just luck out and don't have attacks on their hands.

 

[Loper]

Tis. Same kid. Same dogs. Kid had a different last name, remarried mama or some such I guess. Read the article.

Edit: Unless you are referring to the Bulldog.... That was an AB, not a pit, and again, fits a "stupid owner" profile... Mom left the kid alone... with CHAINED dogs. "She got tangled in a dog chain when her mother went inside the home."

I think, more than banning the dogs, we need to ban stupid people. Sorry Baja, but I can't place the blame on a breed when ultimately, it's people being stupid and / or irresponsible who are responsible. SOme people just shouldn't own dogs. ESPECIALLY large breed, potentially deadly dogs.

 

[Baja28]

The link I posted about the researcher developing software for kids discussed the Rottie, a Husky, a Weimaraner, and a Wolf Hybrid mix.

I don't disagree with you that certain breeds are more dangerous than others and in the wrong hands can be deadly. Yet, I still don't blame the whole
breed(s) for the rogue attackers. What about the thousands or hundreds of thousands of those breeds that are out there, that have never attacked anyone or anything or shown any amount of aggression?

There are bad dogs out there, everywhere, of every breed. There are even more bad dog owners out there, some of them just luck out and don't have attacks on their hands.

My beef and only beef is with the Pitts & Rotts. They top the list by far and should be annihilated. I'm sick of reading about their attacks.

 

[Loper]

Anyone who completely trusts any animal is stupid. I stand by that.

I think we will have to agree to disagree...

I also have to say that I think your above statement is ridiculous! But I'm just an animal nutty.

If I didn't trust my 5 dogs 100% I would have to sleep with one eye open all the time.

 

[Loper]

My beef and only beef is with the Pitts & Rotts. They top the list by far and should be annihilated. I'm sick of reading about their attacks.

I disagree with that Baja. The beef should be with the effed up breeders and dog fighters that are breeding/making money off this elevated, aggressive, twist of the breed. As well as the dumb ass people who buy them.

 

[Baja28]

I disagree with that Baja. The beef should be with the effed up breeders and dog fighters that are breeding/making money off this elevated, aggressive, twist of the breed. As well as the dumb ass people who buy them.

That's ok. Heck, if we all agreed imagine how boring this place would be.

What kind of dogs do you have?

 

[Loper]

That's ok. Heck, if we all agreed imagine how boring this place would be.

What kind of dogs do you have?

I would tell you but I just thought up a game to have you participate in. Since many people believe they are attacked by Pitts even though they don't know one breed from another, I imagined how many false reports about dog breeds that attack are out there.

I will use some of my dogs pictures in this test, I can't tell you what I have.

But I will tell you later...

 

[Nickel]

I would tell you but I just thought up a game to have you participate in. Since many people believe they are attacked by Pitts even though they don't know one breed from another, I imagined how many false reports about dog breeds that attack are out there.

I will use some of my dogs pictures in this test, I can't tell you what I have.

But I will tell you later...

Have you seen this?

Pet Pitbull - Find the Pit Bull

There's a catahoula in there!

 

[Baja28]

I would tell you but I just thought up a game to have you participate in. Since many people believe they are attacked by Pitts even though they don't know one breed from another, I imagined how many false reports about dog breeds that attack are out there.

I will use some of my dogs pictures in this test, I can't tell you what I have.

But I will tell you later...

Have you seen this?

Pet Pitbull - Find the Pit Bull

There's a catahoula in there!

I've seen that and it means nothing. No one can prove it wasn't Pitts in any attacks.

Ya know, if people wanna get these dogs and allow them around their kids, take the risk of them mauling others and face the consequences, so be it. It's their child they'll be burying, not mine. :shrug:

I think I'll start a thread and post monthly maulings so everyone can attempt to defend the indefensible.

 

[Loper]

Have you seen this?

Pet Pitbull - Find the Pit Bull

There's a catahoula in there!

no, I haven't seen that! But hey that works... I was going to post my own catahoula mix pics, that every one in the neighborhood swears is a pitt...

 

[TurboK9]

I disagree with that Baja. The beef should be with the effed up breeders and dog fighters that are breeding/making money off this elevated, aggressive, twist of the breed. As well as the dumb ass people who buy them.

Meh. I trust my dogs with ME. Not with my kids, not with strangers, even when I am there. I am very confortable that my dogs will protect my kids from harm, I know this for a fact as we have done some very realistic scenario training there... but my kids are still kids, and my dogs are still dogs, and without my guidance and authority I trust neither. It helps that I can 'read' my dogs, and as long as I am vigilant I know what they are about to do before they do it, so I can preempt them. You can have the best trained dog in the world, but if the human hasn't been schooled as well, it means nothing, because your commands are reactive and after the fact, and often too late.

I had my a** saved more than once by my dogs back when I worked security in some pretty scummy areas, and when I have lived in areas more rancid than where I am now (comparatively, yes, CRE aint that bad ). I know they will respond to me reliably and do what needs to be done, in fact I trust them more than most people as long as I am there with them.

That said, I still have to put the kitchen garbage behind a locked door when I leave the house, because when I am not there, they do whatever the *&$% they want, heehee.

 

[TurboK9]

That's ok. Heck, if we all agreed imagine how boring this place would be.

What kind of dogs do you have?

Damn straight.

Notice all this back and forth? And no name calling? I'll argue with Baja any day!!

 

[Nickel]

no, I haven't seen that! But hey that works... I was going to post my own catahoula mix pics, that every one in the neighborhood swears is a pitt...

I have a catahoula too (purebred). He doesn't get mistaken for anything else (usually I get "What kind of dog is that?" )...maybe a deer. My dad calls him Marmaduke.

 

[Loper]

I've seen that and it means nothing. No one can prove it wasn't Pitts in any attacks.

Ya know, if people wanna get these dogs and allow them around their kids, take the risk of them mauling others and face the consequences, so be it. It's their child they'll be burying, not mine. :shrug:

I think I'll start a thread and post monthly maulings so everyone can attempt to defend the indefensible.

Can you pick the Pitt out? I have to tell ya I had a hard time picking them. I'm not saying that there are not horrific attacks by Pitts, Rotts, and other deemed dangerous breeds.

No one is trying to tell you to get a Pitt or any other dog you are not comfortable with... No One should!

Please start your thread if that is what you think you should do... Information is good, discussion is good, and other opinions are good. I'll try to be your devil's adv... and post what ever good stories I find about the breed(s) you post about.

 

[Loper]

Meh. I trust my dogs with ME. Not with my kids, not with strangers, even when I am there. I am very confortable that my dogs will protect my kids from harm, I know this for a fact as we have done some very realistic scenario training there... but my kids are still kids, and my dogs are still dogs, and without my guidance and authority I trust neither. It helps that I can 'read' my dogs, and as long as I am vigilant I know what they are about to do before they do it, so I can preempt them. You can have the best trained dog in the world, but if the human hasn't been schooled as well, it means nothing, because your commands are reactive and after the fact, and often too late.

I had my a** saved more than once by my dogs back when I worked security in some pretty scummy areas, and when I have lived in areas more rancid than where I am now (comparatively, yes, CRE aint that bad ). I know they will respond to me reliably and do what needs to be done, in fact I trust them more than most people as long as I am there with them.

That said, I still have to put the kitchen garbage behind a locked door when I leave the house, because when I am not there, they do whatever the *&$% they want, heehee.

I trust my dogs 100% with me and anyone that I let in my house. Would I leave any child alone with them no, just because that is common sense not a trust issue. If anyone came in without my knowledge or jumped my fence, I don't know. I feel pretty safe that my dogs would protect me and my family if they thought they needed to (without training to do so).

My first son (RIP Saxon) was a full bred Chow that I would have let any kid maul him and he wouldn't have cared. Actually, many kids did. Male adults, not so much, he would want to rip the faces off most of them. He was MY dog and tolerated the other adults in the house. He saved me one night from being robbed and who knows what else. He was born in 1991 and was diagnosed with bone cancer when he was 13.. we had the leg removed and he lived until he was just shy of 15. His breed is deemed a dangerous breed! To me, he was a savior in many ways!

I think he was the last dog that I picked. Everyone else has kinda picked my husband and me... for one reason or another...

Well to get away from my nostalgia bend. Before I get to Immortalizing my Crash Puppy as well..

I could leave a steak on my counter tonight and leave the house and none of my dogs would touch it. I have no trash diggers and no toilet drinkers! My pack may not attack on command but they don't need the trash to be locked up when we leave the house. Our youngling is still in the crate when we are not at home, he might be a trash digger but I think the other dogs have taught him well. We shall see...

 

[ArkRescue]

Rotts and Pitts are top killers unfortunately

I did some research online and per the statistics the Rottweilers and those dogs called "pit bulls" are the top 58% of human fatalities (as of I think it said 2004?). Okay so I assume this to be because Rotts and Pits are MORE prevalent than say other big breeds? Probably. It's not that they out-rank the OTHER large dog breeds in fatalities necessarily ....

I generally agree that the stronger the bite pressure, the more the dog can harm. HOWEVER I have had many BIG dogs that never tried to harm another dog or human (and SOME no cat). So where do we go from here? Again, I think the emphasis is usually on the big breeds like Rotts who really don't deserve it unless the dog was raised and/or trained in that manner, and some are unfortunately. In most other cases the dog wasn't raised properly!

Some breeds need to be raised within a certain disciplined environment, and if not, they do their own thing to be top dog. If you can't handle the structure for this type of dog you need not raise one. Not everyone is prepared to be dominate - years ago I wasn't, but I know now.

I think PART of the statistics that are quoted don't encompass unreported smaller dog bites. MY FedEx lady told me she didn't report the dog bites she received to authorities from small dogs that bit her in her delivery route. So that's not counting the typical "GUY" not reporting the small dog bite ..... which would ADD to the count.