Penn
Dancing Up A Storm
Hmmmm, but how does that tie in to the USA? We are not producing cartoons, ones that disparage muslims.(at least , I'm not aware of any)JPC said:Actually what I am here trying to say is that some of the Danes have now done some ignorant religious bigotry and that is encouraging honest Muslims to protest against it.
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Not that it hasn't been an idea in some loony cartoonist's mind.
But, to date, it has not been done, I don't think; so how do you equate what has happened in the middle east to this country? Further, I believe I saw on the news, that Iran, has challenged some of it's cartoonists to make likenesses of Israeli Holocaust victims, to publish in one of their top newspapers.
I don't think I saw any Israeli involvement in this issue, one way or another. So, what's that all about?
Let's go one step further: if Iran managed to shoot a nuclear tipped missile over at Israel, what would your thoughts be?
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JPC, Sr.
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The Truth Shall Set Us All Free.
Well because the USA under President Bush is blaming other Countries as if Iran and Syria have caused the troubles from the cartoons. We really need to come out stongly in denouncing the foul opinions expressed by the biligerant Danish press. The Republicans jumped all over CBS and Dan Rather not long ago for a mistake that CBS made. The Danish press is preaching religious bigotry and they need to be denounced for what they are. Not blame Iran and Syria, and blame Muslims for the trash of the Danes.
Is not it odd that few have an issue with the Danish action from our side but there is big criticism about Iran doing a similar action after the fact. It is called hypocricy.
That is a totally exagerated change of subject. If Iran did that then little Israel would blow Iran off the planet earth with its large aray of Israel's nuclear weapons. But shooting missiles is far different then shooting out religious bigotry and claiming some omnipotent protected right to do it too.
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Penn said:Hmmmm, but how does that tie in to the USA? We are not producing cartoons, ones that disparage muslims.(at least , I'm not aware of any)
Not that it hasn't been an idea in some loony cartoonist's mind.
Well because the USA under President Bush is blaming other Countries as if Iran and Syria have caused the troubles from the cartoons. We really need to come out stongly in denouncing the foul opinions expressed by the biligerant Danish press. The Republicans jumped all over CBS and Dan Rather not long ago for a mistake that CBS made. The Danish press is preaching religious bigotry and they need to be denounced for what they are. Not blame Iran and Syria, and blame Muslims for the trash of the Danes. Penn said:
Is not it odd that few have an issue with the Danish action from our side but there is big criticism about Iran doing a similar action after the fact. It is called hypocricy. Penn said:
That is a totally exagerated change of subject. If Iran did that then little Israel would blow Iran off the planet earth with its large aray of Israel's nuclear weapons. But shooting missiles is far different then shooting out religious bigotry and claiming some omnipotent protected right to do it too. ----------------------
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JPC, Sr.
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The Truth Shall Set Us All Free.
Iran is making political statements even if they are belicose and threatening they are just political rhetoric. Israel can defend itself.
That is far, FAR, Far, different then degrading Islam and the great prophet. And I might add that Islam can defend itself too.
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Penn said:
Iran is making political statements even if they are belicose and threatening they are just political rhetoric. Israel can defend itself.That is far, FAR, Far, different then degrading Islam and the great prophet. And I might add that Islam can defend itself too.
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Really? Are you saying that our government should deny the right, or hold to higher standard, a foreign artist expressing their opinion when in our country to do so is a God given and constitutionally guaranteed right? Well, is that what you are saying? I’ll wait.
And while your at it, work on this one too.
Mistake? Dan was attacking before he got his facts straight, this for some reason was personal in my opinion, and used fabricated documents as evidence without validating their authenticity. His job is to report facts, not innuendo and fakes, fakes that were easily detected with an expert’s cursory observation. But say they shouldn’t have jumped on him for facilitating the fraud, what should the Republican’s have done? Should they have lobbied vehemently for Dan to be awarded the excellence in electronic journalism Murrow Award or something along those lines? Well? Come on “Mister I Want To Be A Delegate”, what should have been done? Or do nothing. Is that what you are? A do nothing. Come on now, don’t just b!tch about it being a problem, we all can do that, tell me what’s the fix for a major news reporter who perpetuates a fraud in an effort to influence an election? Well, Mr. Wannabe a delagate, what's the answer?
I know this is all a little much for you but your going to have to think quick buddy, you can’t ponder on this forever or nothing will get done. The primary is right around the corner in September, how long will it take to tell us what fixes these two issues.
Come on, it’s pretty simple.
1) Do we deny a right to another human when we, our nation and founders, gave willing our blood just for the ability to have it here?
2) What do you do when public slander is broadcast to millions of people in an obvious and vindictive effort to achieve one thing and one thing only, sway the people in the upcoming election? For a reasonable person this should be a “no-brainer” to come to the proper conclusion that is if the decision is based on facts and not fabrication.
Somehow though, I feel certain that you will not make sense out of any of this.
Penn
Dancing Up A Storm
I dunno pal, I think he's going to have to go back to the library for this one!Ken King said:Really? Are you saying that our government should deny the right, or hold to higher standard, a foreign artist expressing their opinion when in our country to do so is a God given and constitutionally guaranteed right? Well, is that what you are saying? I’ll wait.
And while your at it, work on this one too.
Mistake? Dan was attacking before he got his facts straight, this for some reason was personal in my opinion, and used fabricated documents as evidence without validating their authenticity. His job is to report facts, not innuendo and fakes, fakes that were easily detected with an expert’s cursory observation. But say they shouldn’t have jumped on him for facilitating the fraud, what should the Republican’s have done? Should they have lobbied vehemently for Dan to be awarded the excellence in electronic journalism Murrow Award or something along those lines? Well? Come on “Mister I Want To Be A Delegate”, what should have been done? Or do nothing. Is that what you are? A do nothing. Come on now, don’t just b!tch about it being a problem, we all can do that, tell me what’s the fix for a major news reporter who perpetuates a fraud in an effort to influence an election? Well, Mr. Wannabe a delagate, what's the answer?
I know this is all a little much for you but your going to have to think quick buddy, you can’t ponder on this forever or nothing will get done. The primary is right around the corner in September, how long will it take to tell us what fixes these two issues.
Come on, it’s pretty simple.
1) Do we deny a right to another human when we, our nation and founders, gave willing our blood just for the ability to have it here?
2) What do you do when public slander is broadcast to millions of people in an obvious and vindictive effort to achieve one thing and one thing only, sway the people in the upcoming election? For a reasonable person this should be a “no-brainer” to come to the proper conclusion that is if the decision is based on facts and not fabrication.
Somehow though, I feel certain that you will not make sense out of any of this.
You offloaded enough for him to ponder about for at least 2 days, and it may take him that long!
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tikipirate
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Kenny,
Relax... If you stroke out, we will have lost one of our few voices of reason.
Massage your earlobes and repeat after me... ooosaa, ooosaa.
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I don't think the Danes are losing too much sleep. Here's a pic of a Danish F-16 supporting Operation Enduring Freedom over the Afghani mountains.
On the wingtips are AIM-120C-5 AMRAAMS, guaranteeing air supremacy in any environment. Under each pylon hangs 945lb of H-6 in a 2000lb laser-guided case.
The muslim world can burn the Danish flag, or slap photographs of the Danish King with their sandals. The Danes only have to select the 'Master Arm' switch to 'On'. The smallest Scandanavian country (if one ignores Greenland) can exercise their authoritii over the entire muslim world.
Relax... If you stroke out, we will have lost one of our few voices of reason.
Massage your earlobes and repeat after me... ooosaa, ooosaa.
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I don't think the Danes are losing too much sleep. Here's a pic of a Danish F-16 supporting Operation Enduring Freedom over the Afghani mountains.
On the wingtips are AIM-120C-5 AMRAAMS, guaranteeing air supremacy in any environment. Under each pylon hangs 945lb of H-6 in a 2000lb laser-guided case.
The muslim world can burn the Danish flag, or slap photographs of the Danish King with their sandals. The Danes only have to select the 'Master Arm' switch to 'On'. The smallest Scandanavian country (if one ignores Greenland) can exercise their authoritii over the entire muslim world.
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I see. So you "think" that drawing an unflattering (albeit true) cartoon is worse than threatening a country and its people with destruction.JPC said:
I'm enjoying you, JPC, because I feel that you are a fantastic representative for the Democratic party - you definitely spout their talking points.
Too true.willie said:
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JPC, Sr.
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The Truth Shall Set Us All Free.
It is not denying them their right to say and to print their trash. The USA simply needs to call it the trash that it is. We are not going to force them to shut up. They are free to speak their ignorant religious bigotry just as anyone else is. I am saying that they reap what they sow and now the Danes remove their embassies in fear and rightfully so. When people talk trash then they live in fear. Simple as that. We need to join the right and just condemnation of the Danish actions for what it is. And not try to blame it on Iran and Syria for what the Danes did. Since the Danes can run their garbage then they can take the consiquences.
It is not denying their right to speak when we tell them that their words are disgusting and ignorant. They need to be told since clearly they do not tell themselves such simple truth.
That scenario happens every election year in the whole USA. Broadcasting public slander to millions of voters is a big part of the American way of politics. In my campaign I only preach the truth but others call it slander so it is only the truth that differentiates between us.
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Ken King said:Really? Are you saying that our government should deny the right, or hold to higher standard, a foreign artist expressing their opinion when in our country to do so is a God given and constitutionally guaranteed right? Well, is that what you are saying? I’ll wait.
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It is not denying them their right to say and to print their trash. The USA simply needs to call it the trash that it is. We are not going to force them to shut up. They are free to speak their ignorant religious bigotry just as anyone else is. I am saying that they reap what they sow and now the Danes remove their embassies in fear and rightfully so. When people talk trash then they live in fear. Simple as that. We need to join the right and just condemnation of the Danish actions for what it is. And not try to blame it on Iran and Syria for what the Danes did. Since the Danes can run their garbage then they can take the consiquences. Ken King said:
It is not denying their right to speak when we tell them that their words are disgusting and ignorant. They need to be told since clearly they do not tell themselves such simple truth.Ken King said:
That scenario happens every election year in the whole USA. Broadcasting public slander to millions of voters is a big part of the American way of politics. In my campaign I only preach the truth but others call it slander so it is only the truth that differentiates between us. --------------------
Okay, you admit they have the freedom but still you want our government to chastize them for exercising it. Is it our place to do that?JPC said:
And what about the inciting done by Iran and Syria, should that just be ignored? After all we are viewing a cartoon as compared to an act of violence and you seem to find the cartoon to be more offensive.
See above response.
Really? Every election there are blatant lies generated by major news organizations hoping to sway that election and it is a routine part of the political process. Are you sure about that?
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JPC, Sr.
Guest
The Truth Shall Set Us All Free.
If the USA is not going to chastize the wrongdoer, then they need to shut up.
So you agree to criticize Iran and Syria who did not do it, but do not chastize the Danish that did do the action. The cartoon started the violence.
I wrote that there is considered to be slander from every side in American elections. Slander is not always a direct lie.
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Ken King said:
If the USA is not going to chastize the wrongdoer, then they need to shut up. Ken King said:
So you agree to criticize Iran and Syria who did not do it, but do not chastize the Danish that did do the action. The cartoon started the violence.Ken King said:
I wrote that there is considered to be slander from every side in American elections. Slander is not always a direct lie. -----------------
Wrongdoer, cartoon artist or thugs that attack an embassy?JPC said:
While I myself haven't said a damn thing about Syria and Iran I think that they did help incite the reaction that was taken against the Danish embassy. And the cartoon did not start the violence, it was small minded people that reacted in violence that started this and only after the cartoon had been reprinted, there wasn't even a glimmer of a problem during its first run. As to those who felt the need to react with violence, I guess their God doesn't teach the "turn the other cheek".
No,
you started crying about how Dan Rather and CBS were treated by Republicans when they were caught using fabricated documents and pushing them off as real (in other words lying) and when you couldn't get any more milage off of that then you start shifting the discussion.
MMDad
Lem Putt
JPC said:Slander is not always a direct lie.
In the "office" you are stealing from the taxpayers, there is a section called "reference". In that section, there are books called "dictionaries". Pull one out, and look up "slander". Then look up the word "lie".
You are wrong.
J
JPC, Sr.
Guest
The Truth Shall Set Us All Free.
The point about Dan Rather still stands, in that the Republicans slammed CBS for telling lies but they are not slamming the Danish for telling lies.
It is not censoring to tell them that they are wrong for the cartoons.
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Ken King said:... ... ...No,
The point about Dan Rather still stands, in that the Republicans slammed CBS for telling lies but they are not slamming the Danish for telling lies. It is not censoring to tell them that they are wrong for the cartoons.
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I see you admit that Rather was lying, but tell me what lies are the Danes telling? And are all Danes the same as this one cartoonist?JPC said:
It is not censoring to tell them that they are wrong for the cartoons.
MMDad
Lem Putt
JPC said:
It is not censoring to tell them that they are wrong for the cartoons.
Hey dummy, why are you debating Republicans versus CBS on the religion board?
JPC, Sr. is not a Christian but he goes to a Christian church. He posts from a library, but observing his lack of knowledge demonstrated by his posts, he does not read. He holds a high moral ground in his own eyes, yet the drivel he posts and lack of coherence indicates that he is either on drugs, drunk, or totally burnt out. He claims religious knowledge when what he espouses is new age junk, and he doesn't seem to realize he is debating politics in the religion forum.
Great example and candidate - NOT!
Great example and candidate - NOT!