luvmygdaughters
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Keep ignoring the truth since you cant defend your actions and beliefs.
You mean keep ignoring your version of the truth dont you?
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You mean keep ignoring your version of the truth dont you?
I'll give it a go.
Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin all established non-legislatively enacted means for the mail-in voting process. Many other states legally enacted laws to allow for how they changed their election laws to deal with the pandemic and mail-ins. As such the electors from those states were not appointed in a manner approved by the Constitution. Which as you should know requires a process that is approved by the state legislatures, thus those electors should not have been certified and therefor they should be disallowed.
The result of which would have been that no electoral majority was achieved. Disallowing those electors (GA - 16, MI - 16, PA - 20, WI - 10, for a total of 62) Biden would have only had 244 and Trump would still have 232. Having no majority of electors (270 required) the House would have then been required to vote for the President with one vote only for each state as to whom that would be.
She's just going to ignore that. Too many words she doesn't understand.
Oh, I'm sure of that, but that is the issue as I see it.
Besides that, I firmly believe a good number of Biden's "votes" were fraudulent. I will never believe that gootz got 81 million people to come out for him.
No doubt, with some localities allowing for the give everyone a ballot, same day registrations, and "harvesters" the likelihood of impropriety seems logical, I am sure many housing projects, nursing homes, etc. had those that "helped" many that had never ever voted before to register, fill out and deliver their ballots.
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BOP
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BOP
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You're just saying that because Hillary told you to say that.
Also they pitched such a bitch about checking into it and tried to arrest anyone who questioned the results. If they didn't have anything to hide they'd have welcomed an investigation. It's okay for Hillary to go on a 4 year whine tour and what's her face in GA to insist that she is the real Governor, but when Trump called bullshit on them they started prosecuting him. Suddenly "election deniers" were a "threat to democracy".
Nope, nothing fishy there....
StmarysCity79
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Allowing mail in voting doesn't change the eligibility nor the validity of those peoples votes. It also doesnt change the way the vote totals would be allocated. Biden rightly won those states and thus was entitled to those electors.
Pence has no duty to reject or accept anything. If you actually read the constitution you would know his role is largely ceremonial.
Can you provide any proof to back up your claims? I will show proof of my claims below.
What actually happened was this : All of this information was taken from the indictment and 1st hand testimony under Oath by Cheseboro, Sidney Powell and Jenna Ellis
In seven states — Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, New Mexico, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin — so-called “fake electors” signed paperwork attempting to cast electoral college ballots for Trump instead of their states’ actual winner, President Biden.
The groups hoped that former Vice President Pence would count the fake electors’ certifications instead of the legitimate ones when the electoral college vote was certified on Jan. 6, 2021, changing the result of the election, the indictment alleged. None were successful.
The 45-page indictment states that when Trump could not persuade state officials to illegally swing the election in his favor, he and his Republican allies began recruiting a slate of fake electors in seven battleground states — Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, New Mexico, Nevada, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin — to sign certificates falsely stating that he, not Democrat Joe Biden, had won their states.
While those certificates were ultimately ignored by lawmakers, federal prosecutors say it was all part of “a corrupt plan to subvert the federal government function by stopping Biden electors’ votes from being counted and certified.”
Here’s a deeper look at how the scheme unfolded, according to the indictment:
he fake electors plan began in Wisconsin, prosecutors allege, with a memorandum from Kenneth Chesebro, an attorney who was assisting the Trump campaign at the time with legal challenges.
Cheseboro wrote the memo in mid-November 2020 that advocated for Trump supporters in Wisconsin to meet and cast their votes for him, in case the campaign’s litigation in the state succeeded.
After the plan was expanded to include six states, Trump and attorney John Eastman asked Ronna McDaniel, the chair of the Republican National Committee, to help the Trump campaign recruit the electors in the targeted states.
The two men, according to prosecutors, “falsely represented” to McDaniel that the electors would only be used if Trump’s lawsuits against the election succeeded. McDaniel agreed to help.
As the Trump electors prepared for a Dec. 14 gathering, when state electors met at respective capitols to certify the electoral results, some had concerns. The fake electors in Pennsylvania told Giuliani and other Trump advisers on a conference call that they had reservations about signing a certificate that would present them as legitimate electors for the state.
Giuliani, according to the indictment, “falsely assured” them that their certificate would only be used if Trump’s litigation succeeded.
But winning in court was never the plan, according to prosecutors.
Chesebro wrote in a Dec. 13 email that the strategy “was not to use the fraudulent electors only in the circumstance that the Defendant’s litigation was successful in one of the targeted states.” Instead, he wrote, “the plan was to falsely present the fraudulent slates as an alternative to the legitimate slates at Congress’s certification proceeding.”
‘CRAZY PLAY’
On the eve of the state certifications, those close to the Trump campaign, including a senior adviser, raised concerns in a group chat about the fake electors plan, prosecutors say. Informed of what was going on, Trump’s deputy campaign manager said the scheme had “morphed into a crazy play.”
A senior adviser to the president, who is not identified, texted, “Certifying illegal votes.” The campaign officials in the chat refused to sign a statement about the plan, because none of them could “stand by it,” the prosecutors allege.
LAST-MINUTE ADDITION
New Mexico, which was not among the key states in the election, was nonetheless tossed into the mix the night before the Dec. 14 gather of electors. Cheseboro, at the request of a Trump campaign staffer, drafted and sent fake certificates to the state for Trump.
The decision came despite there being no pending litigation on Trump’s behalf in New Mexico and the fact that he lost the state by nearly 100,000 votes.
The next day, the Trump campaign filed an election challenge suit in New Mexico, six minutes before the deadline for the electors’ votes, “as a pretext so that there was pending litigation there at the time the fraudulent electors voted,” prosecutors allege.
‘SHAM PROCEEDINGS’
On Dec. 14, 2020, as Democratic electors for Biden in key swing states met at their seat of state government to cast their votes, Republican electors for Trump gathered as well. They signed and submitted false Electoral College certificates declaring Trump the winner of the presidential election in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, New Mexico, Nevada, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.
Those fraudulent certificates were mailed to Congress and the National Archives. Ultimately, only the legitimate election certificates were counted, despite Trump’s effort to create what prosecutors called a “fake controversy.”
JANUARY 6
Trump’s allies in the days before Jan. 6 exerted intense pressure on Vice President Mike Pence, urging to use the fake certificates to justify delaying the certification of the election during the joint session of Congress. One of Trump’s lawyers even suggested that Pence could simply toss out electors and declare Trump the winner.
Time and again, Pence refused, prompting Trump to complain that he was “too honest,” according to the indictment.
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How the Trump fake electors scheme became a ‘corrupt plan,’ according to the indictment
WASHINGTON (AP) — The role that fake slates of electors played in Donald Trump’s desperate effort to cling to power after his defeat in the 2020 election is at the center of a four-count indictment…
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StmarysCity79
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So what. It's not illegal to help an elderly person fill out their ballot.
There were multiple investigations already. 2 by Trumps own firm yet you can never seem to remember that.
Also, Hilary conceeded on election night. Unlike Trump who is still crying.
Grumpy
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@StmarysCity79 Ya proud of all the deaths you and your ilk have brought to the world backing an inept, senile candidate and cheating your way into the White House?
There are times I'm sure she does it for laughs, but then I remember who we're dealing with.
yeah helping dementia patients VOTE DEMOCRAT
Hijinx
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Give me a good reason why she shouldn't ignore it. THE SUPREME COURT DID.
It was a crooked election from start to finish, just like the next one will be, when we have the top polling candidate being tied up in court with BS charges and a gag order. This is not America.
WingsOfGold
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Tubby, If they're that far gone they shouldn't be voting.
I'm only going to respond to very little of your regurgitation.
You just do not understand. The fact (and yes it is a fact) that those states mentioned changed their voting process without legislative approval is in violation of the Constitution. As such the entire electoral results from those states are invalid.
I didn't say one single word about Pence, as I am well aware as to what his function was. But you go on and rattle your lips I'll just skim over it.
Show me the laws that those states passed to allow for how they changed the process for 2020. Do that and I'll gladly shut up. But you can't because they didn't change them.