People will bitch about anything

[ginwoman]

It's our flag, not a baby blanket for a photo.

I tend to agree. Although it is a cute picture. But I don't like when people where the flag as their clothes or shoes. I have some flip flops with flags but think I'm going to throw them away because it seems disrespectful to wear the flag on your feet.

 

[Ken King]

You didn’t read the code. The code authorizing wearing the flag patches on uniforms. If you’ve served in the military you know full-well that military are held in greater scrutiny for the proper handling of the flag.

UNITED STATES CODE, TITLE 36, CHAPTER 10

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Yep, it's there so I retract that statement. Let's get beyond that and, if you can, explain how violating any aspect of the code will result in a punitive action? Also, while you are at it, can you explain why burning the flag in protest is protected but not this highly respectful picture of love of service, family, and nation wouldn't be?

 

[Bann]

I tend to agree. Although it is a cute picture. But I don't like when people where the flag as their clothes or shoes. I have some flip flops with flags but think I'm going to throw them away because it seems disrespectful to wear the flag on your feet.

It's not disrespectful, according to the flag code, as I read it. It's only disrespectful to use the flag to make apparel or to BE apparel. (Wearing it as a cape, for instance. God forbid making it into a purse or skirt, etc. )

I am something of a Flag Code Nazi, yes. The Flag Code is there so the Flag is held in the highest esteem. It goes into battles and drapes the caskets of our fallen military. It is considered a living thing and therefore is deserving of that high esteem. That is why the Code exisits. To insure it is.

BUT, again -I love the picture. I love what it speaks to and what the artistic interpretation of it is. I would not bitch about it or post vile insults to the photographer about it either.

 

[BigBlue]

Flag code states: The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. Bunting of blue, white, and red, always arranged with the blue above, the white in the middle, and the red below, should be used for covering a speaker’s desk, draping the front of the platform, and for decoration in general.

So in your mind when Military personnel are rolling out the Stars and Stripes at a Football game or a baseball game they are wrong ?

 

[Inkd]

So in your mind when Military personnel are rolling out the Stars and Stripes at a Football game or a baseball game they are wrong ?

I wasn't stating my opinion, I was just stating what the Flag Code says.

But, since you asked my opinion. No, I don't think they are wrong. As long as it's being treated respectful. Not being set on fire except in retirement, drug through the ground or other general disrespectful displays, I personally have no problem with deviations or conflicts with displays that are not 100% in accordance with the flag code.

You seem to like that head slap thing quite a bit. Sadly, my personal favorite isn't listed so let me just go ahead and add it here.

 

[Bann]

So in your mind when Military personnel are rolling out the Stars and Stripes at a Football game or a baseball game they are wrong ?

Rolling out the Stars & Stripes? As in a Color Guard presentation of the Colors?

 

[Bann]

You seem to like that head slap thing quite a bit. Sadly, my personal favorite isn't listed so let me just go ahead and add it here.

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[PsyOps]

Yep, it's there so I retract that statement. Let's get beyond that and, if you can, explain how violating any aspect of the code will result in a punitive action? Also, while you are at it, can you explain why burning the flag in protest is protected but not this highly respectful picture of love of service, family, and nation wouldn't be?

I never said the way this flag is being used in this photo isn’t protected. I did say that if the person holding the baby is in the military, they could be held accountable for misusing the flag. But for civilians, both are equally protected.

The military is bound to follow Title 36 Flag Code. Military members are given a guide for Customs and Courtesies where they are taught how to respect the flag and how to give it a place of honor and saluting. Therefore they can be, and mostly likely will be, punished in some form for not adhering to what is required of them: failure to salute the flag, letting the flag touch the ground, improperly folding it, displaying it improperly…

Asking why is pointless; the military are just held to a different standard than civilians; just as they are held to different standards on a plethora of constitutional issues.

 

[PsyOps]

So in your mind when Military personnel are rolling out the Stars and Stripes at a Football game or a baseball game they are wrong ?

Which part of the code does this violate?

 

[BigBlue]

Rolling out the Stars & Stripes? As in a Color Guard presentation of the Colors?

No , when at the start of a game they roll out a flag the size of the field .

 

[BigBlue]

Which part of the code does this violate?

That is what I am asking I didn't object to it at all .

 

[BigBlue]

I wasn't stating my opinion, I was just stating what the Flag Code says.

But, since you asked my opinion. No, I don't think they are wrong. As long as it's being treated respectful. Not being set on fire except in retirement, drug through the ground or other general disrespectful displays, I personally have no problem with deviations or conflicts with displays that are not 100% in accordance with the flag code.

You seem to like that head slap thing quite a bit. Sadly, my personal favorite isn't listed so let me just go ahead and add it here.

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Way to let all know you mental ability,you're number one in my heart too.

 

[mamatutu]

Way to let all know you mental ability,you're number one in my heart too.

Gawd, I wish I had the balls to post that finger thang to you. Inkd is a gentleman; always has been. It has nothing to do with his mental ability. He rarely posts. When he does post, he has very interesting things to share. You, not so much. You obviously really pissed him off! You will never be the most interesting man in the world! Oh, and work on your grammar and punctuation. TIA

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[BigBlue]

Gawd, I wish I had the balls to post that finger thang to you. Inkd is a gentleman; always has been. It has nothing to do with his mental ability. He rarely posts. When he does post, he has very interesting things to share. You, not so much. You obviously really pissed him off! You will never be the most interesting man in the world! Oh, and work on your grammar and punctuation. TIA

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So what did you do with all the left over Meow mix ???

 

[Bann]

No , when at the start of a game they roll out a flag the size of the field .

Apparently, that problem is all in YOUR mind, not my mind. If you read the flag code, then you will note that there is a protocol for displaying the flag in such situations.

Quit trying to put words in my mouth and while you're at it, why don't you quit being a flipping ####### all the time, how about that?

 

[PsyOps]

That is what I am asking I didn't object to it at all .

Displaying a flag across a football field doesn't violate the code. Using the flag to swaddle a baby does; and that part of the code has already been provided; a few times I believe.

 

[Inkd]

Way to let all know you mental ability,you're number one in my heart too.

Keep licking those windows, Slappy. You'll get them clean in no time.

 

[PeoplesElbow]

How so, is the Flag Code punitive? Are not the 1st Amendment rights extended to those that serve? If the Flag Code was so stringent explain why many, including myself at one time, wore the flag on the shoulder of my flight-suit? If you can't wear it you can't wear it, right?

The patch is not a flag, it is a representation of the flag in patch form.

Same with the cakes, they are not flags but representations of the flag in cake form.

 

[SG_Player1974]

How so, is the Flag Code punitive? Are not the 1st Amendment rights extended to those that serve? If the Flag Code was so stringent explain why many, including myself at one time, wore the flag on the shoulder of my flight-suit? If you can't wear it you can't wear it, right?

I can only assume you are referring to the flight suit you wear in a civilian capacity as a tester right?

Because, if you actually "served" in the military, you wouldn't be asking if 1st amendment rights are extended to those who serve. Unless, of course, you were special and you were able to talk and criticize your chain of command publically and freely. Also, I guess you were able to openly demonstrate against your chain of command.

 

[Inkd]

How so, is the Flag Code punitive? Are not the 1st Amendment rights extended to those that serve? If the Flag Code was so stringent explain why many, including myself at one time, wore the flag on the shoulder of my flight-suit? If you can't wear it you can't wear it, right?

http://www.usflag.org/uscode36.html


This code is the guide for all handling and display of the Stars and Stripes. It does not impose penalties for misuse of the United States Flag. That is left to the states and to the federal government for the District of Columbia. Each state has its own flag law.

Criminal penalties for certain acts of desecration to the flag were contained in Title 18 of the United States Code prior to 1989. The Supreme Court decision in Texas v. Johnson; June 21, 1989, held the statute unconstitutional. This statute was amended when the Flag Protection Act of 1989 (Oct. 28, 1989) imposed a fine and/or up to I year in prison for knowingly mutilating, defacing, physically defiling, maintaining on the floor or trampling upon any flag of the United States. The Flag Protection Act of 1989 was struck down by the Supreme Court decision, United States vs. Eichman, decided on June 11, 1990.

While the Code empowers the President of the United States to alter, modify, repeal or prescribe additional rules regarding the Flag, no federal agency has the authority to issue 'official' rulings legally binding on civilians or civilian groups. Consequently, different interpretations of various provisions of the Code may continue to be made. The Flag Code may be fairly tested: 'No disrespect should be shown to the Flag of the United States of America.' Therefore, actions not specifically included in the Code may be deemed acceptable as long as proper respect is shown.


(j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica, should be worn on the left lapel near the heart.

I think the first part of the reply should cover your question on the punitive aspect of the Flag Code?

Second part is in regards to the patches on uniforms.

As far as 1A rights for people in the service, we who had to follow the UCMJ knew that we had to abide by a different set of rules than civilians.