Planned Parenthood

[tommyjones]

The point was would you not be glad to be alive? Or, would you think you had deserved to die simply because your sperm donor was a rapist?

But since you are alive, would you want your mother to be a victim of rape AND a murderer?

You still can't/won't answer those questions eh?



I may or not be there if it were to happen, and if I were I would care, but oddly enough you wouldn't want me to because afterall it's none of my business.

here's an idea, go get yourself rapped, and impregnated, raise the kid by yourself trying your best to have a normal life and get back to us with how you feel when you are done. until then do try to make the choice for these victims.

 

[This_person]

here's an idea, go get yourself rapped, and impregnated, raise the kid by yourself trying your best to have a normal life and get back to us with how you feel when you are done. until then do try to make the choice for these victims.

That makes just as much sense as saying "go get yourself killed medically, then you can argue in the place of the killed babies".

 

[C6R_Mag]

And, we're not saying people are being told they HAVE to have children. The choice comes at the time of intercourse, not once the rabbit dies. The choice is going to bed with someone. It is NOT okay to kill someone because they're an inconvinience. For the record, for those two percent (or less) of abortions that occur because they're from rape, incest, or for the life/health of the mother - I'll buy those might be reasonable as a compromise.

And, yes, I've been personally effected. I've had a baby of mine killed without my fore-knowledge or permission.

killled without fore-knowledge or permission?? while it was in you? i find this hard to believe, but there always may be instances. i dont care to know what happened so don't feel you have to explain.

 

[This_person]

killled without fore-knowledge or permission?? while it was in you? i find this hard to believe, but there always may be instances. i dont care to know what happened so don't feel you have to explain.

I feel no need to explain, but you asked if I had been impacted. I have.

No, I'm male, it wasn't in me. I wasn't given that choice any more than my unborn child was.

At what age does this stop being okay (you haven't answered that yet)?

 

[C6R_Mag]

im not the one to set an age. so don't come to me for answers.

 

[This_person]

im not the one to set an age. so don't come to me for answers.

You clearly feel very strongly.

About what, you have no idea!

 

[C6R_Mag]

I feel no need to explain, but you asked if I had been impacted. I have.

No, I'm male, it wasn't in me. I wasn't given that choice any more than my unborn child was.

At what age does this stop being okay (you haven't answered that yet)?

sorry for your pain, but you honestly don't have the choice. it's the mother's body and if shouldnt couldn't go through with it, nothing you can do to stop her. if the roles were reversed and you didn't want a child and she did...nothing you can do to stop her there either.

 

[C6R_Mag]

You clearly feel very strongly.

About what, you have no idea!

no im simply stating that no matter what i say it will be attacked. there is no point for me to say anything.

 

[This_person]

sorry for your pain, but you honestly don't have the choice. it's the mother's body and if shouldnt couldn't go through with it, nothing you can do to stop her. if the roles were reversed and you didn't want a child and she did...nothing you can do to stop her there either.

So, the mother is the only one with a "choice"? Not the baby, not the father?

So, a reasonable scenerio is that the father does not "choose" the child he chose to create. Should it be equally okay for him to "choose" not to support that child?

 

[tommyjones]

sorry for your pain, but you honestly don't have the choice. it's the mother's body and if shouldnt couldn't go through with it, nothing you can do to stop her. if the roles were reversed and you didn't want a child and she did...nothing you can do to stop her there either.

wow, sounds like he should have choosen who he had sex with more wisely

 

[This_person]

no im simply stating that no matter what i say it will be attacked. there is no point for me to say anything.

I'm not personally trying to attack you, just discuss with you on more than a bumper-sticker level of information.

You feel clearly the mother should have the right to kill her child - I'm asking how old that child should be before it has the right to live. And, the right to expect care from the parents.

 

[thatcat22]

you just don't learn when to shut your damn mouth do you? u can say the sky is blue and still be attacked on here!

 

[Radiant1]

here's an idea, go get yourself rapped, and impregnated, raise the kid by yourself trying your best to have a normal life and get back to us with how you feel when you are done. until then do try to make the choice for these victims.

You assume I haven't walked in certain shoes. Pregnancy resulting from rape creates two victims, mother AND child.

Aww, hell, let's just murder the rape victim too due to her misery because she may not ever overcome it and later become a screwed up parent raising screwed up kids.

 

[This_person]

wow, sounds like he should have choosen who he had sex with more wisely

Of that you are correct. And both I and my child suffered for this choice. I can live with the consequences of my bad decision, but my child couldn't.

 

[tommyjones]

You assume I haven't walked in certain shoes. Pregnancy resulting from rape creates two victims, mother AND child.

Aww, hell, let's just murder the rape victim too due to her misery because she may not ever overcome it and later become a screwed up parent raising screwed up kids.

thats right, it is obvious you havn't walked in those shoes or you would be a little more empathetic (go look it up)

its the womans choice, she has to live with it.

 

[C6R_Mag]

So, the mother is the only one with a "choice"? Not the baby, not the father?

So, a reasonable scenerio is that the father does not "choose" the child he chose to create. Should it be equally okay for him to "choose" not to support that child?

men "choose" to not support children everday. thats why there are single struggling mothers out there.

she chose that. i dont have a problem with her hardships and good times.

im saying it's about CHOICE and being the one to live with it after.

 

[This_person]

men "choose" to not support children everday. thats why there are single struggling mothers out there.

she chose that. i dont have a problem with her hardships and good times.

im saying it's about CHOICE and being the one to live with it after.

Women choose to kill their babies everyday, too. My question was "is it okay" for that to happen, as in, is it morally, ethically, legally acceptable?

A woman does not have to live with the child they chose to create after bearing it. There are many adoption agencies begging for those babies. There are many family members who may or may not help. The only choice being denied now is the baby's choice to live.

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

here's an idea, go get yourself rapped, and impregnated, raise the kid by yourself trying your best to have a normal life and get back to us with how you feel when you are done. until then do try to make the choice for these victims.

I totally support abortion in cases of rape.

I think, once the abortion occurs, they should charge the accused rapist with 1st degree murder as well. :shrug:

I also have no problem with my tax dollars going to the state to feed and take care of children who are abandoned by their parents and the like.

Problem is, my taxpayer dollars are going to pointless nonsense.

 

[libby]

Clearly, some here are unable to connect the dots. Abortion makes the value of human life subjective, and that is the problem.
The value of the life of a baby is measured only by how much they are "wanted", or "planned" by the mother and/or father.
Every single person is equally and individually precious regardless of how others feel about them.
Black people are not lesser human beings because the law said so prior to 18-something-or-other. Or handicapped people less because (as cited in the original article) Margaret Sanger believes so. Jewish people are not less because of Hitler, and in that same way unborn babies are not less because the mother, or Roe v. Wade, or rape.

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

Women choose to kill their babies everyday, too. My question was "is it okay" for that to happen, as in, is it morally, ethically, legally acceptable?

A woman does not have to live with the child they chose to create after bearing it. There are many adoption agencies begging for those babies. There are many family members who may or may not help. The only choice being denied now is the baby's choice to live.

There are lots and lots of people who want kids, but can't have them. :shrug: