Planned Parenthood

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

I know you aren't that familiar with the ins and outs of sex, but when safe sex is practiced properly there is little chance of pregnancy. so the choice to have sex is no longer directly related to the choice to have a baby.

Now unprotected sex is another story, if you are out having unprotected sex you reap what you sow. But thats still none of your business, the woman is the one paying the consequences either way she chooses

Define "safe sex." Last I checked, condoms sometimes break, birth control doesn't always work. What happens when all the safeguards go out the window?

Bottom line - You shouldn't have sex if you aren't prepared to deal with the unintended consequences.

 

[Wenchy]

Until what age of child? Seriously, should a third trimester baby be killed in this fashion? How about a 1 year old that she didn't realize would be such a life changing event - retroactive abortion? How is the first or second tri-mester any different from the point of view of taking another person's life than the third, or the first year of life?

I knew a girl in college who went to NY to get a third trimester abortion. I could never look at her again. It wasn't a health issue, but sheer laziness on her part. I have no problem with a first trimester abortion and none at all if the parent(s) find out in the second trimester that the fetus has a genetic abnormality. Partial birth abortions sicken me.

As far as killing a born child: Unfortunately, it happens frequently. That child would have been better off either never happening or being aborted once conceived. There are plenty of unfit parents out there.

I do, too. I have a great amount of sympathy/empathy for someone feeling they're that choiceless that they'd kill someone for their own well being in the future. But, I feel even more for the unborn child, personally. The innocent life that was not part of the decision to be born; the decision the mother and father made. (I'm ruling out rape/incest as they're an insignificant percentage of abortions performed).

Until you are a woman, and find yourself feeling hopeless, you will never understand the choice some have made.

I support Planned Parenthood completely because they provide birth control so the alternative doesn't even have to be an issue.

On that note of choices and options.

My daughter is coming home for the summer before a year abroad. She has an appt. with Planned Parenthood in July. They are providing her with 9 months of birth control (she pays for it) since she will not be around for her regular appt's (she has to go in every 3 months...pretty good, isn't it?)

If something happened to go wrong she would have four options.

Have an abortion.

Have the child and slow down/stop her college education (this is what I chose to do when I found out I was expecting her)

I could take over the upbringing of her child while she finishes her studies (I am lucky I can offer this option)

She could give the baby up for adoption.

*Thank goodness for birth control and Planned Parenthood for being there to provide it*

...because the above options make me cringe just typing them.

 

[tommyjones]

Define "safe sex." Last I checked, condoms sometimes break, birth control doesn't always work. What happens when all the safeguards go out the window?

Bottom line - You shouldn't have sex if you aren't prepared to deal with the unintended consequences.

last time i checked people only have sex for the sake of conception about .00001% of the time. the rest of the time they are doing it recreationally.

besides, you dont have a dog in the fight so you shouldn't get a say. maybe after you grow up and have to deal with adult issues, and maybe even touch a girl......

 

[This_person]

I knew a girl in college who went to NY to get a third trimester abortion. I could never look at her again. It wasn't a health issue, but sheer laziness on her part. I have no problem with a first trimester abortion and none at all if the parent(s) find out in the second trimester that the fetus has a genetic abnormality. Partial birth abortions sicken me.

I'm not trying to argue with you, I'm honestly looking to understand your point of view - from the point of view of the life of the child, what's the difference between the first, second, and third trimester for abortion in your opinion?

As far as killing a born child: Unfortunately, it happens frequently. That child would have been better off either never happening or being aborted once conceived. There are plenty of unfit parents out there.

There are plenty more good parents out there. Some cannot create children on their own. In my opinion, I couldn't say that another person would be better off having never been born when they were never born to find out who they are, what would have happened to them, etc. It's just as conceivable (no pun intended) that the child would help make the mother and father's lives that much better, or been the one that could cure cancer, or as many other options as you can think of and more. Taking that child's life, for the convinience of the parents, is (to me) just not right.

Until you are a woman, and find yourself feeling hopeless, you will never understand the choice some have made.

That's not true. A father is as much a parent as a mother. And, I'm a human, so I have an innate desire to not kill other humans - that's a stake in this argument as well.

I support Planned Parenthood completely because they provide birth control so the alternative doesn't even have to be an issue.

On that note of choices and options.

My daughter is coming home for the summer before a year abroad. She has an appt. with Planned Parenthood in July. They are providing her with 9 months of birth control (she pays for it) since she will not be around for her regular appt's (she has to go in every 3 months...pretty good, isn't it?)

If something happened to go wrong she would have four options.

Have an abortion.

Have the child and slow down/stop her college education (this is what I chose to do when I found out I was expecting her)

I could take over the upbringing of her child while she finishes her studies (I am lucky I can offer this option)

She could give the baby up for adoption.

*Thank goodness for birth control and Planned Parenthood for being there to provide it*

...because the above options make me cringe just typing them.

I agree those are not good options "if something goes wrong". But, realize she has more options than that:

Don't have sex with someone you don't want to raise children with.

Be prepared for all options other than killing your child if you choose to have sex.

You say the options make you cringe; which option would be worse for you to think of, your grandchild killed, or you helping your daughter raise your grandchild until she's fully ready? I don't want to do either of those with my children, but I know if there was a choice between those two, there would really be no choice.

 

[ItalianScallion]

The world is overpopulated as is, and I don't cry over the embryo's/fetuses who will never see the light of day. I feel for the women who have to make that choice and then live with it.
Are you against birth control as well?

Except for "the morning after" pill, no I'm not. If people would save it for marriage, this wouldn't be as big of a problem as it is today.
When you got pregnant, did you think that it was a fish or frog inside of you and, if you needed to, you could abort her until the 14th week?
Did you ever think it wasn't a human life? If you know it is human from conception, how can you say it is OK to kill it ever?

Until you are a woman, and find yourself feeling hopeless, you will never understand the choice some have made.

So the feeling of hoplessness is a reason for murdering an innocent life?

I support Planned Parenthood completely because they provide birth control so the alternative doesn't even have to be an issue.
If something happened to go wrong she would have four options.

Have an abortion.

Have the child and slow down/stop her college education (this is what I chose to do when I found out I was expecting her)

I could take over the upbringing of her child while she finishes her studies (I am lucky I can offer this option)

She could give the baby up for adoption.

*Thank goodness for birth control and Planned Parenthood for being there to provide it*

...because the above options make me cringe just typing them.

You contradict yourself a lot here it seems. You're ok with abortion and her right to choose but it makes you cringe??????

 

[Wenchy]

I'm not trying to argue with you, I'm honestly looking to understand your point of view - from the point of view of the life of the child, what's the difference between the first, second, and third trimester for abortion in your opinion?

The viability of the fetus outside of the womb. I have no memories of the womb, even from the third trimester, do you? During the third trimester the baby can survive with today's technology.

There are plenty more good parents out there. Some cannot create children on their own. In my opinion, I couldn't say that another person would be better off having never been born when they were never born to find out who they are, what would have happened to them, etc. It's just as conceivable (no pun intended) that the child would help make the mother and father's lives that much better, or been the one that could cure cancer, or as many other options as you can think of and more. Taking that child's life, for the convinience of the parents, is (to me) just not right.

You had something happen to you, and I understand the way you feel about the subject.

I still think the world would be better off without people procreating and spitting out children they can't afford/want.

That's not true. A father is as much a parent as a mother. And, I'm a human, so I have an innate desire to not kill other humans - that's a stake in this argument as well.

Again, I feel sorry for you that you chose to procreate with a woman who chose to abort your baby. That's very sad and I can understand your stand on this issue because of this.

I agree those are not good options "if something goes wrong". But, realize she has more options than that:

Don't have sex with someone you don't want to raise children with.

Be prepared for all options other than killing your child if you choose to have sex.

You say the options make you cringe; which option would be worse for you to think of, your grandchild killed, or you helping your daughter raise your grandchild until she's fully ready? I don't want to do either of those with my children, but I know if there was a choice between those two, there would really be no choice.

I want her to reach her dream (she's a scholar) I'm here for her if anything happens and will support her in anything she chooses to do.

Me? I would let her know that I can support the baby while she finishes school and love every moment of it.

If she chose to have an abortion I would hold her hand and cry with her.

 

[itsbob]

I've always been opposed to abortion, and have long been familiar with founder Margaret Sanger's racist ideas.
Townhall.com:lanned Parenthood Puts A Hit Out On Black Children::By Harry R. Jackson, Jr.

You need to read more on Margaret Sanger, and not get all of your hatred from anti-abortionists.. Read her ENTIRE speeches, her ENTIRE books. 90% of what people use to portray her as a racist are litle quotes, little things she said, but they never talk about the entire speech, or who she was talking to.



Margaret Sanger was as much a racist as you are.

Disparaging someones name, memory and their place in history to bolster your argument or your position seems somewhat childish. Especially since they are long dead and can't come back and defend themselves. Why not call the current leader(s) of Planned Parenthood Racists??

 

[puggymom]

me, me!!

How many people psoting in this thread realize that Planned Parenthood's main focus is the prevention of unwanted pregnancies, STD education, vaccinations for the HPV virus and gynecological exams/pap smears for those that don't have a regular doctor/insurance?

I am pro-choice, but even if I wasn't I would appreciate the preventative services this organization offers. If they were not there to help prevent ("plan") then there would be more abortions.

Private doctors do abortions as well. They call them D&C's.

 

[BadGirl]

I'm going to go home tonight and write out a little monetary donation and send it to Planned Parenthood.

They were there for me when I needed inexpensive contraception and informed information. I'll return the favor.

 

[puggymom]

I'm pro-choice here. In other words: If you make the choice to have sex in the first place, you've made the choice that you are responsible enough to care for or conceive a child. Plain and simple.

The ONLY time abortion is acceptable (imo) is in cases of rape which is less than 1% of abortions anyway.

I am currently suffering from mastitis. It is a clogged milk duct caused by a LIVING bacterial infection. It is VERY common in breastfeeding woman. Should I not be allowed to take the necessary antibiotics to make me feel better because after all using your logic I made the choice to breastfeed knowing mastitis could happen.

And on that note seeing as how this bacteria is a LIVING organism in my body what give me the right to decided I can rid myself of it purely for my convience?
My point is who gets to decide the value of life for others? Does a vegan get to decide that you (general) should not be allowed to eat meat, hunt, or wear any animal products? Because to them animals are living beings that deserve life. How would you feel if they got to make the laws.
I firmly believe that abortion should be safe, legal, and rare. Instead of putting all this effort into attacking the supply for abortion why don't we focus on the demand? Why are woman getting pregnant with babies they do not want? Are we not effectly teaching BC to our children?


And honestly what do you think will happen if RvW is overturned? All it does is protect abortion on a federal level. If overturned it is up to the states to make that decision. And blue states, like Maryland, will contine to provide access while red states will ban it then turn around and cut all funding to help the mom and baby out once the baby is born.

 

[puggymom]

No one is suggesting forcing people to have babies, just not kill the ones they chose to have. Also, no one is suggesting people have babies to answer a fertility issue of someone else, just not kill the child they chose to have, and if they can't support it, offer a choice of someone else to raise and take responsibility for the life they chose to bring into this world.

It is not 'brought into this world' until is passes the birth canal--or the 1 in 4 chance of major surgery. So by taking away the decision to have an abortion you are in fact forcing them to have children.

 

[puggymom]

He may not be the one carrying the child during gestation, but he would be there for the child (legally and morally) for at least 18 years (kinda trumps the 9 months). Also, presuming this isn't a rape issue, we're talking about a conscious choice of two individuals to potentially create a child, so why is his voice less than hers should the child be wanted (or, unwanted for that matter)?Statistically, can you back that up? Do most abortions kill babies of lower income parents?I'm not for getting involved in people's business like this. I'm just against murder.

Legally speaking NO it is not murder. Sorry but until the laws are changed (which I doubt they will be) it just isn't.

 

[Wenchy]

Except for "the morning after" pill, no I'm not. If people would save it for marriage, this wouldn't be as big of a problem as it is today.

Okay, Mr. Born Again. The fact is most teenagers/adults do have sex. They probably scrump in the bathroom or in the parking lot while you are having your classes. Hello!!!

When you got pregnant, did you think that it was a fish or frog inside of you and, if you needed to, you could abort her until the 14th week?
Did you ever think it wasn't a human life? If you know it is human from conception, how can you say it is OK to kill it ever?

My baby is here today and doing well TYVM. I still respect the decisions other women make.

So the feeling of hoplessness is a reason for murdering an innocent life?

I had an option, but others do not. I got married (shotgun style)

You contradict yourself a lot here it seems. You're ok with abortion and her right to choose but it makes you cringe??????

She will be 20 this December. I cringe at the thought of her having to make a decision of such a magnitude.

Planned Parenthood is there for her to hopefully prevent such a decision ever having to be made.

 

[puggymom]

Until what age of child? Seriously, should a third trimester baby be killed in this fashion? How about a 1 year old that she didn't realize would be such a life changing event - retroactive abortion? How is the first or second tri-mester any different from the point of view of taking another person's life than the third, or the first year of life?I do, too. I have a great amount of sympathy/empathy for someone feeling they're that choiceless that they'd kill someone for their own well being in the future. But, I feel even more for the unborn child, personally. The innocent life that was not part of the decision to be born; the decision the mother and father made. (I'm ruling out rape/incest as they're an insignificant percentage of abortions performed).

Because it is not legally a life until it is born. Once it is born it has the same rights as everyone else. Two organisms cannot have legal rights over the same body.

 

[puggymom]

Until there's something as effective a birth control as abstinence, I'd say you're wrong. It's much less a risk, but not a non-issue.Both parents have consequences, as does the child, regarding the choice.

So are you saying that I should stop having sex with my husband? We are finished have children and he had a vasectomy. Should we abstain for the rest of our lives because of the chance the vasectomy could reverse? Does does not account for a healthy marriage to me.

 

[puggymom]

I agree the statistic kind of implies the lower level, but it doesn't speak to the people above the poverty level, but below 300% of the poverty level. As you say, statistics can prove anything You're suggesting that parents can and should have the right to starve their children, or each other, or handicapped family members under their care - anyone who couldn't get by on their own.

Because, a womb is not comparable to a breathing machine. There's a certain implied level of care one assumes when they choose to be a parent (a choice made at intercourse, not at birth). That implied care includes the gestation period. Now, once the child is born, they certainly have the choice to not provide for the child. If they do that by giving the child up for adoption, that's legal and humane. If they choose not to by killing the child ("won't support", as you said), that's murder. In my opinion, that includes the time from knowledge of being pregnant through the child's emancipation. We wouldn't tolerate a mother (or father) getting a prescription that htey know will kill a child for the child with the full intent of actually killing that child, so why do we tolerate a mother killing the child chemically or medically in the womb?

That is your opinion. Why do you get to decide the value of life for others? Cancer is a living organism. So why don't we ban chemo and radiation because after all it kills that living organism.

 

[Wenchy]

I'm going to go home tonight and write out a little monetary donation and send it to Planned Parenthood.

They were there for me when I needed inexpensive contraception and informed information. I'll return the favor.

 

[mv_princess]

I knew a girl in college who went to NY to get a third trimester abortion. I could never look at her again. It wasn't a health issue, but sheer laziness on her part. I have no problem with a first trimester abortion and none at all if the parent(s) find out in the second trimester that the fetus has a genetic abnormality. Partial birth abortions sicken me.

As far as killing a born child: Unfortunately, it happens frequently. That child would have been better off either never happening or being aborted once conceived. There are plenty of unfit parents out there.




Until you are a woman, and find yourself feeling hopeless, you will never understand the choice some have made.

I support Planned Parenthood completely because they provide birth control so the alternative doesn't even have to be an issue.

On that note of choices and options.

My daughter is coming home for the summer before a year abroad. She has an appt. with Planned Parenthood in July. They are providing her with 9 months of birth control (she pays for it) since she will not be around for her regular appt's (she has to go in every 3 months...pretty good, isn't it?)

If something happened to go wrong she would have four options.

Have an abortion.

Have the child and slow down/stop her college education (this is what I chose to do when I found out I was expecting her)

I could take over the upbringing of her child while she finishes her studies (I am lucky I can offer this option)

She could give the baby up for adoption.

*Thank goodness for birth control and Planned Parenthood for being there to provide it*

...because the above options make me cringe just typing them.

Wenchy,

I would like to say thank you. Thank you Thank you Thank you.

I am without insurance at the current moment, and need to get birth control (*for more reasons then just sex*). And it looks like I will need to go to Planned Parent Hood, but I was very worried that if I walked in there it would just be an abortion clinic. And I didn't want people to look at me like I had done something horribly wrong.


So again Thank you.

 

[theArtistFormerlyKnownAs]

Wenchy,

I would like to say thank you. Thank you Thank you Thank you.

I am without insurance at the current moment, and need to get birth control (*for more reasons then just sex*). And it looks like I will need to go to Planned Parent Hood, but I was very worried that if I walked in there it would just be an abortion clinic. And I didn't want people to look at me like I had done something horribly wrong.


So again Thank you.

I don't understand...
The health clinic is NOT planned parenthood...is it?

I am for both, as can be seen in this thread, but I didn't realize they were one in the same...why can you not go to the health clinic for free BC?

 

[puggymom]

And on the choosing to have sex note don't you have like a 1 in 8 chance of getting into a car accident every time you drive. Does that mean you deserve to get into an accident just because you choose to drive?