Please please please~~~!!!!

[CheriAnn]

Hunk watching is a hobby of yours huh?

What other times have I sited here about hunk watching? :shrug:
It was really my lame attempt at humor.....in case I had remembered wrong

 

[itsbob]

I seem to remember the extreme cases like appraoching a suddenly stopped vehicle at a speed too fast for stopping in time....honestly, I do remember them talking about emergency situations where you can't avoid a collision and laying the bike down instead of t-boning or rear ending a vehicle.....

Nope..

If you lay the bike down, you are still going to hit the object just at a MUCH greater speed then if you stayed upright and on the brakes.

It's better to hit a stationary vehicle on the bike at say 25 MPH than you and the bike to slide into it at say 50 MPH.. Chances are if you stay on the brakes you'll stop in time, there are NO chances of stopping in time if you are sliding down the road. (might want to look into a bike with ABS (integrated is the best) too, maintain some control while emergency braking and less chance of the rear end sliding out due to a locked up back wheel).

 

[CheriAnn]

Nope..

If you lay the bike down, you are still going to hit the object just at a MUCH greater speed then if you stayed upright and on the brakes.

It's better to hit a stationary vehicle on the bike at say 25 MPH than you and the bike to slide into it at say 50 MPH.. Chances are if you stay on the brakes you'll stop in time, there are NO chances of stopping in time if you are sliding down the road. (might want to look into a bike with ABS (integrated is the best) too, maintain some control while emergency braking and less chance of the rear end sliding out due to a locked up back wheel).

Thank you for explaining that to me!!! Really...I could have sworn they told us in extreme cases where your path is blocked or something along the lines that I described above, you are better laying the bike down and rolling away from it, than to stay on the bike and hit something at a higher rate of speed.

Okay, just talked to hubby, who took the same course with me (for support, he already had his license). He did confirm that I'm not crazy and that our instructor told us we are safer laying a bike down and rolling away from it in a situation where you can't avoid hitting something, rather than hitting something still on the bike. They told us years ago they used to teach people how to lay a bike down.

I took the class at CSM

 

[aps45819]

I'm going to a funeral tomorrow for someone who hit a deer on a motorcycle. He hurt his head and he never recovered from it. I've seen people live through some crazy stuff, but a brain injury scares me to death.

Wear a REAL helmet that actually covers your head. The "novelty" beanies and quarter helmets don't do squat if you smack into something.

I remember them talking about emergency situations where you can't avoid a collision and laying the bike down instead of t-boning or rear ending a vehicle.....

We can bring that up at the Christmas party Saturday. There will be several MSF certified instructors in attendance. The only folks I've heard of successfully laying a bike down were movie stuntmen sliding under trucks
Unless I was about to hit a truck, I think I'd try and stand on the pegs and hope I went over the other vehicle (or animal)

 

[wkndbeacher]

What other times have I sited here about hunk watching? :shrug:
It was really my lame attempt at humor.....in case I had remembered wrong

everyone has to have a hobby

 

[itsbob]

Wear a REAL helmet that actually covers your head. The "novelty" beanies and quarter helmets don't do squat if you smack into something.



We can bring that up at the Christmas party Saturday. There will be several MSF certified instructors in attendance. The only folks I've heard of successfully laying a bike down were movie stuntmen sliding under trucks
Unless I was about to hit a truck, I think I'd try and stand on the pegs and hope I went over the other vehicle (or animal)

There is a story online of a rider hitting the back of a semi trailer at ><40MPH.. rolled into traffic and got run over by a midsized car.. Did get beat up, but lived to tell the story..

 

[CheriAnn]

Wear a REAL helmet that actually covers your head. The "novelty" beanies and quarter helmets don't do squat if you smack into something.



We can bring that up at the Christmas party Saturday. There will be several MSF certified instructors in attendance. The only folks I've heard of successfully laying a bike down were movie stuntmen sliding under trucks
Unless I was about to hit a truck, I think I'd try and stand on the pegs and hope I went over the other vehicle (or animal)

Sounds good! I am certainly not saying you all are wrong....in fact, you have helped remind me that it IS better to stay on the bike and brake hard. Now I remember them teaching it is better to stay on the bike and brake hard...you lose complete control of the bike when you lay it down.

For some dumb reason, I just seem to remember that one little tidbit about laying it down in an extreme case and have hung on to it for dear life!!!

 

[GWguy]

Unless I was about to hit a truck, I think I'd try and stand on the pegs and hope I went over the other vehicle (or animal)

I tend to do that instinctively, not sure why or even if it's smart. A few times when a t-bone was imminent, I'd hit the brakes, then realize I was standing up. Fortunately, never actually had to find out if I could fly.

 

[CheriAnn]

I tend to do that instinctively, not sure why or even if it's smart. A few times when a t-bone was imminent, I'd hit the brakes, then realize I was standing up. Fortunately, never actually had to find out if I could fly.

Now there's a new perspective...stand up on the pegs when braking for an emergency!!!!

 

[Lugnut]

Now there's a new perspective...stand up on the pegs when braking for an emergency!!!!

On a Gold Wing maybe

With a sportbike, that raises the CG too far. It's a quick way to get the rear tire off the ground.

 

[GWguy]

Now there's a new perspective...stand up on the pegs when braking for an emergency!!!!

On a Gold Wing maybe

With a sportbike, that raises the CG too far. It's a quick way to get the rear tire off the ground.

I guess because you're standing, you get a lot more downforce on the brake pedal and you stop faster... (doesn't matter that I don't have anti-lock and the wheel is already locked up and it ain't gonna get any better...)

 

[desertrat]

BB, glad to hear your guy is alright. CheriAnn, did the MSF instructor describe the circumstances where a rider would "need" to lay a bike down???

Maybe once your tire is locked up and the bike is starting to get sideways you should think about laying it down rather than letting off the brake and going going over the high side?

 

[CheriAnn]

Maybe once your tire is locked up and the bike is starting to get sideways you should think about laying it down rather than letting off the brake and going going over the high side?

THANK YOU!
That actually rings a bell in my head!!!!
Maybe that's what they were telling us....

 

[itsbob]

I don't think MSF teaches it, but I've heard it said it's best to "drive through" a deer strike.. Hold on tight, duck behind the windscreen if you got one, and drive through the deer.. then untangle the intestines from about your neck and shoulders before you choke to death.

Am not sure, but what I think they are suggesting is bleed off speed as much as you can, but prior to the strike actually accelerate through it?

We had 3 or 4 people hit deer last year form the local club.. I know one for sure hit the deer at 50MPH.. cut the deer in half. His bike was damaged, but he stayed upright and brought the bike to a standing stop beyond the carnage.

Others were more minimal 'glancing blows' and didn't slice through the center of the deer.. but I don't think anyone was unseated..

I would also think the heavier the bike the better the outcome.. the above bikes were in the 500 pound range.. if you are in the 1/2 ton range, I'd definitely ride through.

 

[Lugnut]

Maybe once your tire is locked up and the bike is starting to get sideways you should think about laying it down rather than letting off the brake and going going over the high side?

I dont understand why you would do that intentionally though. If the tire is locked and sliding, it's still providing more braking force than you'd have if the bike laying on it's side. PLUS if the bike is on it's side, so am I... No thanks.

I'll ride that locked tire to a stop if I think letting go of it will high-side me.

 

[CheriAnn]

I don't think MSF teaches it, but I've heard it said it's best to "drive through" a deer strike.. Hold on tight, duck behind the windscreen if you got one, and drive through the deer.. then untangle the intestines from about your neck and shoulders before you choke to death.

Am not sure, but what I think they are suggesting is bleed off speed as much as you can, but prior to the strike actually accelerate through it?

We had 3 or 4 people hit deer last year form the local club.. I know one for sure hit the deer at 50MPH.. cut the deer in half. His bike was damaged, but he stayed upright and brought the bike to a standing stop beyond the carnage.

Others were more minimal 'glancing blows' and didn't slice through the center of the deer.. but I don't think anyone was unseated..

I would also think the heavier the bike the better the outcome.. the above bikes were in the 500 pound range.. if you are in the 1/2 ton range, I'd definitely ride through.

That's good to know! I've heard that for smaller animals in the road but not for ones as large as deer.

 

[desertrat]

I dont understand why you would do that intentionally though. If the tire is locked and sliding, it's still providing more braking force than you'd have if the bike laying on it's side. PLUS if the bike is on it's side, so am I... No thanks.

I'll ride that locked tire to a stop if I think letting go of it will high-side me.

Yep, once is enough to convince me!

 

[itsbob]

That's good to know! I've heard that for smaller animals in the road but not for ones as large as deer.

I've never had to do it, and I'm not sure about it being the right thing to do or the best thing to do.. but it makes sense..

A deer maxes out at about 200 pounds.. most are half that.. Bike and rider are close to or over a 1000 pounds.. and moving at a high rate of speed.

I hope I never have to find out, but my plan would be to cut the deer in half.

 

[desertrat]

I don't think MSF teaches it, but I've heard it said it's best to "drive through" a deer strike.. Hold on tight, duck behind the windscreen if you got one, and drive through the deer.. then untangle the intestines from about your neck and shoulders before you choke to death.

Am not sure, but what I think they are suggesting is bleed off speed as much as you can, but prior to the strike actually accelerate through it?

We had 3 or 4 people hit deer last year form the local club.. I know one for sure hit the deer at 50MPH.. cut the deer in half. His bike was damaged, but he stayed upright and brought the bike to a standing stop beyond the carnage.

Others were more minimal 'glancing blows' and didn't slice through the center of the deer.. but I don't think anyone was unseated..

I would also think the heavier the bike the better the outcome.. the above bikes were in the 500 pound range.. if you are in the 1/2 ton range, I'd definitely ride through.

I think it would hurt, a lot. I imagine some part of that deer is going to hit you at whatever speed you impact it. Your midsection will be protected by the handlebars and your legs by crash bars if you have them. I doubt a wind screen would help much unless they are a lot stronger than the windshields I've seen them go through. I think laying down on the tank might get you down far enough to avoid full contact.. A full face helmet will help a lot, but your arms and shoulders will be exposed. I'm with you. I hope I never have to find out.

 

[Lugnut]

I'm with you. I hope I never have to find out.

Amen brother.

I ride with a full face helmet, armored jacket, armored boots, and gloves at all times. I haven't found a pair of comfortable riding pants yet but when I do they'll be added to the list.