PeoplesElbow
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Police shoot and kill teenager with air soft gun in St Marys
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The wording of the law and definition of "look-alike firearm" states
So if a projectile is expelled then the tip is not required.15USC5001 said:
It includes airsoft guns in the required section though...the ones that fire plastic pellets
Saw a post on Facebook which started with the message about the young man from his family.
By all accounts a good kid. I deference to the family I think any speculation on the case should be held until the final report is released.
I think this applies to the officer(s) involved. I'm sure they are as upset as anyone in taking the life of a child.
But he's not the first child that's been killed by law enforcement when they were seen with a realistic looking toy - hate to call a BB gun or Air Soft gun a toy. But there is a reason the law requires that orange tip on the barrel.
I think the public needs to be educated on one thing, how law enforcement officers are trained.
For the most part they don't pull their service weapon at every stop. I heard at one time that most officers only have used their gun on the target range. Rarely if ever pulled in the line of duty. BUT, when they do it's to respond to a perceived threat. They have very little time to react. Right or wrong, when they issue an order, STOP and DROP what you have in your hands, don't make a threatening move.
In our active shooter and terrorism training, we are told to stay down until told to move by rescuers. When they enter the room the good guys aren't wearing bright green vests to distinguish them from the threat(s).
Make that part clear to people, particularly children. I had toy guns and I will tell you that if I pointed that cap pistol at an adult in a "threatening" manner I would have had my ass whipped. It's not the gun or availability of guns, it's the lack of knowledge and proper training.
By all accounts a good kid. I deference to the family I think any speculation on the case should be held until the final report is released.
I think this applies to the officer(s) involved. I'm sure they are as upset as anyone in taking the life of a child.
But he's not the first child that's been killed by law enforcement when they were seen with a realistic looking toy - hate to call a BB gun or Air Soft gun a toy. But there is a reason the law requires that orange tip on the barrel.
I think the public needs to be educated on one thing, how law enforcement officers are trained.
For the most part they don't pull their service weapon at every stop. I heard at one time that most officers only have used their gun on the target range. Rarely if ever pulled in the line of duty. BUT, when they do it's to respond to a perceived threat. They have very little time to react. Right or wrong, when they issue an order, STOP and DROP what you have in your hands, don't make a threatening move.
In our active shooter and terrorism training, we are told to stay down until told to move by rescuers. When they enter the room the good guys aren't wearing bright green vests to distinguish them from the threat(s).
Make that part clear to people, particularly children. I had toy guns and I will tell you that if I pointed that cap pistol at an adult in a "threatening" manner I would have had my ass whipped. It's not the gun or availability of guns, it's the lack of knowledge and proper training.
Right, but if it is designed to expel a metallic projectile (like a BB/pellet gun) then the colored "plug" is not required. And I am sure that as used in the law the term "airsoft" does not refer to a specific brand but to those that expel plastic or rubber projectiles versus those that expel metallic projectiles.
I just assumed all airsoft guns were rubber and the metal ones were BB guns. Shows how little I know then lol
Airsoft pellets are typically hard little plastic rounds...having had a couple sons in to that sport for a while, I still find them lying around the property..LOL. Youngest son left this behind...easy to tell from the real thing, right? The detail on these is amazing.
PeoplesElbow
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I own an airsoft gun but I made sure it wasn't a realistic looking one. Didn't want anyone to freak out when they see me using it to harass tree vermin.
I actually meant to type plastic not rubber lol. But yea, the detail is ridiculous
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Then there is this. I'm betting that at morning briefings officers are admonished to always default that anything pointed at them is an operative weapon, and to act accordingly.
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Since this officer was a uniformed Trooper, I'm thinking he was wearing a video camera. Have to wait to see that footage before passing judgement.
Also, another good reason to have firearm safety classes taught in schools.
Then there is this. I'm betting that at morning briefings officers are admonished to always default that anything pointed at them is an operative weapon, and to act accordingly.
Real gun disguised as Nerf toy seized in North Carolina drug raid
Deputies in North Carolina seized what looked like a Nerf toy gun but turned out to be an actual firearm.
Since this officer was a uniformed Trooper, I'm thinking he was wearing a video camera. Have to wait to see that footage before passing judgement.
Also, another good reason to have firearm safety classes taught in schools.
If I may ...
Then there is this. I'm betting that at morning briefings officers are admonished to always default that anything pointed at them is an operative weapon, and to act accordingly.
Real gun disguised as Nerf toy seized in North Carolina drug raid
Deputies in North Carolina seized what looked like a Nerf toy gun but turned out to be an actual firearm.
Since this officer was a uniformed Trooper, I'm thinking he was wearing a video camera. Have to wait to see that footage before passing judgement.
Also, another good reason to have firearm safety classes taught in schools.
That was only a matter of time. Only dumb people say, "Well the non-lethal guns should be a certain color so cops know...." because it takes no effort to modify a real gun to look like that. Of course then those dumb people will say, "Well they should make modifying a gun against the law....."
As someone said earlier, the best way to not get shot by a cop is to not point a weapon - real or toy - at them. Duh.
Real guns are finished with a wide array of colors these days...including pink.
REALLY!?!
They had that option a decade ago when I bought my M&P.
Smith & Wesson M&P Shield Pink Madness Edition 9mm Pistol
Straight out of the Hyatt Custom Shop, this M&P Shield features a custom Pink frame with black slide. With its slim size and 9mm chambering, this Shield is...
They had that option a decade ago when I bought my M&P.
Smith & Wesson M&P Shield Pink Madness Edition 9mm Pistol
Straight out of the Hyatt Custom Shop, this M&P Shield features a custom Pink frame with black slide. With its slim size and 9mm chambering, this Shield is...www.hyattgunstore.com
Lol my sister has one of those
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Yep, my son has three from his childhood, a 226 a 700 and a MP5 and none have a orange tip.
To make things clear. Toy guns have a red/orange tip at the end of the barrel to identify them as toys, which are sometimes altered (removed/painted black) by the owner of it. BB/Airsoft gun are not toys. A projectile comes out of the barrel and can injure or maim what it hits. I have a friend that lost an eye due to being shot with one of the Airsoft guns. What would you do if some one started walking towards you and pulled out one of these and pointed it at you? These guns are modeled after the real thing and when a LEO has one pointed at him only has split seconds to make a decision. Any decision made could be a fatal one for either the person with the gun or the LEO.