Police State or something else?

TPD

the poor dad
Have you been searched without probable cause just for going to an airport? I would bet the answer is no. You only were searched after you purchased a ticket and went through the secure area. The area where the airlines rent space.

Not true - any person or property is subject to search on airport grounds. The announcement is made about every 15 minutes in an airport - ticket in hand or not.
 
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letmetellyou

Guest
Not true - any person or property is subject to search on airport grounds. The announcement is made about every 15 minutes in an airport - ticket in hand or not.

So you have been searched without probable cause in an airport?
 
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letmetellyou

Guest
Are they required to use them or do they choose to use them?

They are required. I don't know how to prove that to you other than showing you it is happening. Of course, in your big brother I have to see it to believe it false sense of reality....you probably will question it. Too bad, it is what it is.
 
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letmetellyou

Guest
They make the announcement because they like the sound of their own voices?

I'm in airports every week and I have NEVER hear them announce that people are subject to search. I have heard that unattended luggage is...but never heard them say that about attended luggage or people. More importantly, I have NEVER heard of or seen someone get searched for no reason outside of the secure areas.
 
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letmetellyou

Guest
Yes - every time I refuse the body scan. Refusing the body scan is not probably cause.

Try and keep up. We have already covered entering the secure area of an airport. You are paying to enter that area so that you can fly. If you don't want to be searched, then find an alternative method of travel. Tell me when the last time you were searched simply for being at an airport, not trying to enter the secure area?
 

MMDad

Lem Putt
That's ridiculous. Airlines are not owned by the public. They are a private entity.

The searches are not being done by the airlines or any other private entity. They are being done by an incompetent federal bureaucracy.

Although most airports are publicly owned, even a privately owned airport would be required to allow TSA to search people prior to boarding.

The public/private argument fails because it has no relevance to this.
 

MMDad

Lem Putt
Try and keep up. We have already covered entering the secure area of an airport. You are paying to enter that area so that you can fly. If you don't want to be searched, then find an alternative method of travel. Tell me when the last time you were searched simply for being at an airport, not trying to enter the secure area?

Wanting to fly is not probable cause to be searched by the federal government.
 

TPD

the poor dad
Try and keep up. We have already covered entering the secure area of an airport. You are paying to enter that area so that you can fly. If you don't want to be searched, then find an alternative method of travel. Tell me when the last time you were searched simply for being at an airport, not trying to enter the secure area?

When I accompany my child to the gate, I am searched, even though I have not bought a ticket for myself to fly. Otherwise, no, I have not personally been searched outside of the secure area of an airport.
 
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letmetellyou

Guest
Wanting to fly is not probable cause to be searched by the federal government.

I never said it was. You don't have to be searched by anyone. Find an alternative mode of travel.
 
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letmetellyou

Guest
When I accompany my child to the gate, I am searched, even though I have not bought a ticket for myself to fly. Otherwise, no, I have not personally been searched outside of the secure area of an airport.

You bought the ticket for the kid to fly. If you don't want to be searched, don't put your kid on a plane, or don't walk him to the gate. You make the choice.
 

MMDad

Lem Putt
I never said it was. You don't have to be searched by anyone. Find an alternative mode of travel.

So you are saying that wanting to fly is probable cause to be searched by the federal government. Or are you trying to say something else, since you say you didn't say it is but are still saying that it is.
 
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letmetellyou

Guest
So you are saying that wanting to fly is probable cause to be searched by the federal government. Or are you trying to say something else, since you say you didn't say it is but are still saying that it is.

I'm not saying it is probable cause. I'm saying when you enter into a private business, you are making a choice to follow their rules. Nobody is forcing you to fly. You never have to be searched. If you choose to fly, you know that you will be searched one way or the other, and that your bags will be checked on way or the other. You are giving up any rights by making this choice. Who is putting a gun to your head and making you fly or even go to the airport. I'd be reporting them.
 

Merlin99

Visualize whirled peas
PREMO Member
I'm not saying it is probable cause. I'm saying when you enter into a private business, you are making a choice to follow their rules. Nobody is forcing you to fly. You never have to be searched. If you choose to fly, you know that you will be searched one way or the other, and that your bags will be checked on way or the other. You are giving up any rights by making this choice. Who is putting a gun to your head and making you fly or even go to the airport. I'd be reporting them.

If it was the private business that would be one thing, when it's the federal government it is completely different.
 
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