Pork Chop- agressive boxer at tricounty

[Sharon]

My parents must be siblings, too, because I agree with him.

There's probably a reason why Tri-County wants the animal back if it doesn't work out. I suspect the reason is so they can interview potential owners and make sure the home will be suitable and the people will know what they're getting into.

JWWB ignored that, and obviously didn't prepare Mike and Bay for life with a Boxer, otherwise they would have thought his rowdy crazed behavior was nothing out of the ordinary. Based on what they've said, they had no real idea that this is just the way Boxers act and they need a firm hand when it comes to discipline.

I'm sure the dog was no problem for Catt - she's used to it and knows what to expect, and how to handle it. But this is partially JWWB's fault because she disregarded the instructions Tri-County gave her when she got the dog in the first place. Had she either done what she was supposed to, or fully disclosed the dog's disposition, the dog would be placed with a more suitable family by now and all would be fine.

So it's wrong to jump on Mike and Bay for not contacting Catt/JWWB when they wanted to get rid of the dog, but give JWWB a pass for doing the *exact* same thing.

Quit being so unemotional and sensible. The animal nutties don't understand logic.

 

[missperky]

My parents must be siblings, too, because I agree with him.

There's probably a reason why Tri-County wants the animal back if it doesn't work out. I suspect the reason is so they can interview potential owners and make sure the home will be suitable and the people will know what they're getting into.

JWWB ignored that, and obviously didn't prepare Mike and Bay for life with a Boxer, otherwise they would have thought his rowdy crazed behavior was nothing out of the ordinary. Based on what they've said, they had no real idea that this is just the way Boxers act and they need a firm hand when it comes to discipline.

I'm sure the dog was no problem for Catt - she's used to it and knows what to expect, and how to handle it. But this is partially JWWB's fault because she disregarded the instructions Tri-County gave her when she got the dog in the first place. Had she either done what she was supposed to, or fully disclosed the dog's disposition, the dog would be placed with a more suitable family by now and all would be fine.

So it's wrong to jump on Mike and Bay for not contacting Catt/JWWB when they wanted to get rid of the dog, but give JWWB a pass for doing the *exact* same thing.

Maybe Mike and Bay should have done some research on boxers before deciding to get one and not knowing what they were getting into.

 

[Cowgirl]

JWWB ignored that, and obviously didn't prepare Mike and Bay for life with a Boxer, otherwise they would have thought his rowdy crazed behavior was nothing out of the ordinary. Based on what they've said, they had no real idea that this is just the way Boxers act and they need a firm hand when it comes to discipline.

You either haven't read everything or you don't know the story because this wasn't the case at all. But go ahead, keep making #### up.

 

[vraiblonde]

Unlike some people who put all of their personal issues on the boards for all to see doesn't mean I must do the same.

Who cares what the reason was for getting rid of him? You couldn't keep him, and that's the way it was - stuff happens. But you should have taken him back to Tri-County like you agreed to do when you adopted him.

You're bent because Mike and Bay didn't contact you when they got rid of him, yet you did the exact same thing when *you* got rid of him.

 

[missperky]

Who cares what the reason was for getting rid of him? You couldn't keep him, and that's the way it was - stuff happens. But you should have taken him back to Tri-County like you agreed to do when you adopted him.

You're bent because Mike and Bay didn't contact you when they got rid of him, yet you did the exact same thing when *you* got rid of him.

From what I have read, JWWB did not take him back to the shelter but instead found another home for PC, but Bay took PC back to the shelter.

 

[vraiblonde]

You either haven't read everything or you don't know the story because this wasn't the case at all. But go ahead, keep making #### up.

Oh stop it. JWWB herself said that the dog was a "handful". That's his breed - ALL Boxers are a handful.

What part of that am I "making up"?

 

[cattitude]

My parents must be siblings, too, because I agree with him.

There's probably a reason why Tri-County wants the animal back if it doesn't work out. I suspect the reason is so they can interview potential owners and make sure the home will be suitable and the people will know what they're getting into.

JWWB ignored that, and obviously didn't prepare Mike and Bay for life with a Boxer, otherwise they would have thought his rowdy crazed behavior was nothing out of the ordinary. Based on what they've said, they had no real idea that this is just the way Boxers act and they need a firm hand when it comes to discipline.

I'm sure the dog was no problem for Catt - she's used to it and knows what to expect, and how to handle it. But this is partially JWWB's fault because she disregarded the instructions Tri-County gave her when she got the dog in the first place. Had she either done what she was supposed to, or fully disclosed the dog's disposition, the dog would be placed with a more suitable family by now and all would be fine.

So it's wrong to jump on Mike and Bay for not contacting Catt/JWWB when they wanted to get rid of the dog, but give JWWB a pass for doing the *exact* same thing.

This is the ONLY post I'm going to make because not everyone seems to have the facts, only speculation.

No. 1 Mike and I chatted via PM at length about PC. He said he was VERY EXPERIENCED with Boxers. He was not sold a "bill of goods" about the dog. According to your earlier posts, temperament tests aren't reliable so it wouldn't be wise be to return him to the shelter when they found him adoptable in the first place two years ago.

No. 2 All rescues/shelters request you return the dog/cat/whatever...it is FOR THE ANIMALS' protection more than anything.

 

[dems4me]

Maybe Mike and Bay should have done some research on boxers before deciding to get one and not knowing what they were getting into.

I read that Mike was raised with boxers (not as in the boxers raising him ) but that he was around them all the time growing up and trained them or something. He was well aware of a boxer's temperment/nature. But then again I read it off the internet

 

[cattitude]

Oh stop it. JWWB herself said that the dog was a "handful". That's his breed - ALL Boxers are a handful.
What part of that am I "making up"?

Okay..2nd post. That is NOT true. Granted the three of mine together can be a handful but so can three children close in age. I can take them out in public one, even two, at a time..shopping in Petco, walking on the boardwalk in North Beach, to my grandchildren's ball games, etc. They are absolutely well behaved and polite.

ANY dog can that is untrained can be a handful.

 

[jwwb2000]

My parents must be siblings, too, because I agree with him.

There's probably a reason why Tri-County wants the animal back if it doesn't work out. I suspect the reason is so they can interview potential owners and make sure the home will be suitable and the people will know what they're getting into.

JWWB ignored that, and obviously didn't prepare Mike and Bay for life with a Boxer, otherwise they would have thought his rowdy crazed behavior was nothing out of the ordinary. Based on what they've said, they had no real idea that this is just the way Boxers act and they need a firm hand when it comes to discipline.

I'm sure the dog was no problem for Catt - she's used to it and knows what to expect, and how to handle it. But this is partially JWWB's fault because she disregarded the instructions Tri-County gave her when she got the dog in the first place. Had she either done what she was supposed to, or fully disclosed the dog's disposition, the dog would be placed with a more suitable family by now and all would be fine.

So it's wrong to jump on Mike and Bay for not contacting Catt/JWWB when they wanted to get rid of the dog, but give JWWB a pass for doing the *exact* same thing.

TriCounty didn't give me any advice on how to handle him. I had to get books on boxers, ask advice from others on here who had boxers, and go from there.

I did disclose his behavior and they saw first hand how he is around meeting someone he does not know in his home. He barks, he jumps, and then after a bit along with a treat so he understands they are okay, he is fine. I did not LIE about the dog. They had my phone number to call for any questions or concerns about him. He had NEVER bolted through my door to run after anyone walking a dog. I also didn't give him the chance to do so either. Did PC pin down and pounce on another dog before? Yes he did and it was my pug. This was not out of aggression but out of him wanting to play. He growled and drooled all over Neo. If he wanted to hurt the little dog, he would have done so when I had first brought him home from Tri County, not 2 years later.

 

[missperky]

I read that Mike was raised with boxers (not as in the boxers raising him ) but that he was around them all the time growing up and trained them or something. He was well aware of a boxer's temperment/nature. But then again I read it off the internet

Must be true then.

 

[Otter]

My parents must be siblings, too, because I agree with him.

There's probably a reason why Tri-County wants the animal back if it doesn't work out. I suspect the reason is so they can interview potential owners and make sure the home will be suitable and the people will know what they're getting into.

JWWB ignored that, and obviously didn't prepare Mike and Bay for life with a Boxer, otherwise they would have thought his rowdy crazed behavior was nothing out of the ordinary. Based on what they've said, they had no real idea that this is just the way Boxers act and they need a firm hand when it comes to discipline.

I'm sure the dog was no problem for Catt - she's used to it and knows what to expect, and how to handle it. But this is partially JWWB's fault because she disregarded the instructions Tri-County gave her when she got the dog in the first place. Had she either done what she was supposed to, or fully disclosed the dog's disposition, the dog would be placed with a more suitable family by now and all would be fine.

So it's wrong to jump on Mike and Bay for not contacting Catt/JWWB when they wanted to get rid of the dog, but give JWWB a pass for doing the *exact* same thing.

So...It was fine for Mike and Bay to agree to notify Catt/Jwwb when they got the dog and then, just ignore the agreement cuz they didn't feel like it?

Thats the issue here, not any interpretation of aggression, unruliness or whatever. JWWB not taking the dog back to the shelter has nothing whatsoever to do with the agreement made with Mike/Bay when they got the dog. We can argue til the cows come home about the dogs temperment, but this whole thread/bashing started because Catt/Jwwb were upset that they were not given a chance to rectify the situation by being notified, as was agreed to. If someone broke an agreement with me, I would have called them out,too. And for little Tommy, 'notify me if there is a problem, do not dump the animal' is the first thing Catt tells people when she arranges a give-away/adoption of an animal.

 

[vraiblonde]

Okay..2nd post. That is NOT true.

Catt, no offense, and I don't want to argue with you, but you yourself have said they are a handful. You've posted pictures of the stuff they've destroyed. I've personally seen them barreling in and jumping all over people. Doug and Jess have two Boxers and they do the exact same thing, as have the handful of other Boxers I've met.

For some reason, JWWB gets a pass and Mike and Bay are the evil doers. So be it. But it's not fair.

 

[vraiblonde]

So...It was fine for Mike and Bay to agree to notify Catt/Jwwb when they got the dog and then, just ignore the agreement cuz they didn't feel like it?

Not at all, but I understand why they did it, especially after reading the threads. And I also understand why JWWB tried to find a home for the dog instead of taking it back to the pound, but she reneged on her agreement just the same way Mike and Bay did, so why are they catching ####, but JWWB isn't?

 

[SoftballCrazy]

Not at all, but I understand why they did it, especially after reading the threads. And I also understand why JWWB tried to find a home for the dog instead of taking it back to the pound, but she reneged on her agreement just the same way Mike and Bay did, so why are they catching ####, but JWWB isn't?

Well, the big difference btwn JWWB and Mike/BayKat reneging on the contract is: JWWB decided not to take PC back to the shelter, knowing it was a kill shelter and owner surrenders can be put down immediately. She decided to try to rehome to another loving permanent home. I know the reasons she couldn't keep him, and it wasn't about the dog or any problems - it was a life time circumstance that could not be changed or helped. Sometimes that happens and its very unfortunate, and it is not the same as getting rid of a dog due to lack of time, owner's didn't understand the breed's characteristics/etc.
Mike/BayKat took the dog to a kill shelter. If the shelter was at capacity, PC would've been put down (killed) before they got back to their car in the parking lot.
W/ JWWB's decision PC was still alive and going to a new home. W/ Mike/BayKat, he could've been euthanized immediately.

 

[Otter]

Not at all, but I understand why they did it, especially after reading the threads. And I also understand why JWWB tried to find a home for the dog instead of taking it back to the pound, but she reneged on her agreement just the same way Mike and Bay did, so why are they catching ####, but JWWB isn't?

If the Shelter wants to persue it, have at her. BUT this thread was about the agreement between Mike/Bay and Jwwb/Catt that wasn't kept..Its not like it would have been real hard to notify either of them.

 

[jwwb2000]

Not at all, but I understand why they did it, especially after reading the threads. And I also understand why JWWB tried to find a home for the dog instead of taking it back to the pound, but she reneged on her agreement just the same way Mike and Bay did, so why are they catching ####, but JWWB isn't?

Do you understand an owner surrender at a Kill shelter means the dog may only have 24 hours to live after you take it there? Would you want to live with that if that was your pet, who you cared for and did not cause you a problem?

 

[tes218]

My parents must be siblings, too, because I agree with him.

There's probably a reason why Tri-County wants the animal back if it doesn't work out. I suspect the reason is so they can interview potential owners and make sure the home will be suitable and the people will know what they're getting into.

JWWB ignored that, and obviously didn't prepare Mike and Bay for life with a Boxer, otherwise they would have thought his rowdy crazed behavior was nothing out of the ordinary. Based on what they've said, they had no real idea that this is just the way Boxers act and they need a firm hand when it comes to discipline.

I'm sure the dog was no problem for Catt - she's used to it and knows what to expect, and how to handle it. But this is partially JWWB's fault because she disregarded the instructions Tri-County gave her when she got the dog in the first place. Had she either done what she was supposed to, or fully disclosed the dog's disposition, the dog would be placed with a more suitable family by now and all would be fine.

So it's wrong to jump on Mike and Bay for not contacting Catt/JWWB when they wanted to get rid of the dog, but give JWWB a pass for doing the *exact* same thing.

Two things:
First - unless an animal is listed as "Rescue Only" or "Supervisor Approval Only" or if the person has a history of animal cruelty, Tri- County MUST let ANYONE adopt the animal they are interested in. PC was not listed as such when he was brought in by Mike so there would not have been any interviewing going on for a suitable home.

Second - I believe I read early on that JWWB contacted the shelter and explained to them that she was re-homing him and they agreed that she didn't have to return him due to the depression, etc he experienced there before so if that is the case she did not break her contract with them.

 

[cattitude]

Catt, no offense, and I don't want to argue with you, but you yourself have said they are a handful. You've posted pictures of the stuff they've destroyed. I've personally seen them barreling in and jumping all over people. Doug and Jess have two Boxers and they do the exact same thing, as have the handful of other Boxers I've met.

For some reason, JWWB gets a pass and Mike and Bay are the evil doers. So be it. But it's not fair.

Puppies destroy things.

Yeah, four dogs can be a bit much in the house when people come to the door. Most of my friends have seen it and I usually put them outside when people come to the house until they dogs come in and settle down.

The thing here is that any four dogs that are not completely trained and are happy to see people will act the same way. In that regard, they are a handful. I will agree that they could be better behaved when people arrive at my home but to say that this is something that is specific to Boxers is silly.

It's amazing to me that people are completely missing the point of my anger. I just wanted a friggin phone call and I did keep in touch with BayKat through pm's and posts on this board. It didn't happen, it's over, and I am happy the dog is no longer at the shelter. Once he's in Boxer Rescue they will see that he gets a home suited to his needs.

Where a Rescue (particulary breed specific) is so much better over Tri County is that they will thoroughly evaluate him AND the prospective owners. They do not sugar coat issues and if it is deemed by the foster home (through the rescue) that he is aggressive, he will not be placed in ANY home.

I have done this type of thing for the majority of my adult life. I don't take my responsibility in caring for and placing animals lightly and I absolutely would not put a dangerous dog (or any other dangerous animal) in a family situation.

 

[jwwb2000]

Just to add something here......Pork Chop was FINE with Neo and the cats all night and as I type this. PC, Neo, and one of the cats slept in the bed with me last night with NO PROBLEMS, not even a grumble. If he was going to "attack" Neo, he would have done so by now.

I did contact Tri County and the person I spoke with understood why I tried to rehome him instead of bringing him back up there.