Prayer For Muslims During Hajj

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

Here! Here!

The muslims are on a mission to spread their way of life and have been at war against the infedels (us) since the beginning of christianity. In the end it all comes down to, kill or be killed!

There are only a relative few criminals that claim Islam as their banner from a world religion of a billion people.

So it is not kill or be killed.

The Islamic holy places are not the property of the Muslim criminals and the USA is not at war with Saudi Arabia or other Islamic Countries.

Therefore it is we that are threatening to kill them and not the other way around.

So instead of "kill or be killed" you are promoting to kill for no justification at all except religious bigotry.

 

[This_person]

There are only a relative few criminals that claim Islam as their banner from a world religion of a billion people.

So it is not kill or be killed.

I agree, it's not "kill or be killed", it's (how did you put it? Oh yeah):

The Holy Quran says specifically ... to tell the infidels in command - the ones in power and of privledge and position, to repent and turn from the evils, and if they do not turn then comes utter destruction. ... Surely the whole world by now has understood the true meaning of that message except for the self righteous Americans that haved turned into infidels.

turn from the evil or else utter destruction will follow. Much better than kill or be killed.

The Islamic holy places are not the property of the Muslim criminals and the USA is not at war with Saudi Arabia or other Islamic Countries.

Nor with Islam. However, a few idiots who don't know what their own religion states are at war with us, have been for a long, long time, and have deliberately killed thousands of innocent civilians - women, children, elderly.... all in the name of Islam

Therefore it is we that are threatening to kill them and not the other way around.

We are threatening (not a serious person, but one more respectable than you in politics - he got somewhere) to RETURN fire.

 

[GreenHornet]

typical, live in a glass house, go running away when people throw stones back

You never asked me to explain myself so you could understand where I was coming from or if maybe you misinterpreted my position somehow. Instead you resorted to name calling. It's impossible to have an intelligent conversation with people incapable of being open minded or mature enough to hear different justifyable opinions before judgement on a persons belief is handed down.

This is why the conversation between you and I is over. It is because of your childish retort to name name calling.

Glass houses? Just more accusations.... End of discussion....

God bless, I'll pray for God to impart some wisdom upon you....

 

[GreenHornet]

There are only a relative few criminals that claim Islam as their banner from a world religion of a billion people.

So it is not kill or be killed.

The Islamic holy places are not the property of the Muslim criminals and the USA is not at war with Saudi Arabia or other Islamic Countries.

Therefore it is we that are threatening to kill them and not the other way around.

So instead of "kill or be killed" you are promoting to kill for no justification at all except religious bigotry.

Most Muslim people are gentle and kind, but they serve a higher purpose which represents the spreading of the Muslim faith and to rid the world of infidels. This is a mainstay and a fundamental belief they all share. So for us (the alleged infidels) we have to be on the hunt....

 

[toppick08]

typical, live in a glass house, go running away when people throw stones back

Hey Tommy, I threw some stones at ya in the Chi-Chat room.

 

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

Most Muslim people are gentle and kind, but they serve a higher purpose which represents the spreading of the Muslim faith and to rid the world of infidels. This is a mainstay and a fundamental belief they all share. So for us (the alleged infidels) we have to be on the hunt....

Christians and Jews want to get rid of the infidels too.

So killing Muslims and destroying Islamic holy sites will make us fitting to the title of infidel.

 

[GreenHornet]

Christians and Jews want to get rid of the infidels too.

So killing Muslims and destroying Islamic holy sites will make us fitting to the title of infidel.

I never said that we should do this. I said that we need to stay on the hunt, because it's kill or be killed. They started this war not us.

We want to get rid of those who attack us. If 9/11 wouldn't have happened we wouldn't be involved ina war against terror. Our enemy is Muslim. The fight us in the name of Jihad. we didn't go after their temples and lop their heads off - they did.

Should we drop a bomb on their mosques? No. Should we drop a bomb on them in the midst of their pilgrimmage? No. Should we stay on the hunt ang go after the extremist every chance we get. Absolutely, our way of lfe and our freedom depends on it.

 

[rack'm]

I pray that all Muslims meet their maker, soon.

 

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

I never said that we should do this. I said that we need to stay on the hunt, because it's kill or be killed. They started this war not us.

We want to get rid of those who attack us. If 9/11 wouldn't have happened we wouldn't be involved ina war against terror. Our enemy is Muslim. The fight us in the name of Jihad. we didn't go after their temples and lop their heads off - they did.

Should we drop a bomb on their mosques? No. Should we drop a bomb on them in the midst of their pilgrimmage? No. Should we stay on the hunt ang go after the extremist every chance we get. Absolutely, our way of lfe and our freedom depends on it.

Well then I misunderstood your intent and I therefore apologize for my comments against you.

The poster below stired up the crap and I believe your post sounded like you were seconding the motion to the post quote below.

I misunderstood and sorry.

I'm all for bombing them RIGHT NOW, not even in retaliation for anything they may do in the future. And my prayer for all the Muslims attending the Hajj is that one of them has ebola and they pass it to all the other ragheads in that crazy Mecca Moshpit. I spit on the grave of Muhammed.

This garbage above is an example of why we are seen as infidels because this quote above has the words of one.

 

[beerlover]

Yes, I am indeed an infidel. The basic tenet of Islam is to convert everyone to Islam or kill them. I'm not converting, and I don't advocate sitting idly by while the strength and resolve of those who want to kill me grows.

Everyone is always talking about the "Moderate Muslim" and the gentle nature of Islam. It is a farce. If you are a Muslim, then by definition you want to kill me if I won't convert. That's ALL Muslim's, because if they don't believe that they aren't following the teachings of the religion they profess to follow. There are no moderates - only sleeper cells. Where is the outcry and uprising against the so-called criminal minority who are hijacking Islam from all the vast numbers of "moderates"? They are complicit by their inaction.

I'll go a step further and say that any non-Muslim who wants to support the right of Muslims to call for the death of non-Muslims is just as much my enemy as the most vehement Jihadist.

You can pretend that all this conflict is not actually a Holy War, but it is. They have sworn to kill us. They have declared war on us. All in the name of their religion. I will defend myself and my country and my right to not convert. And anyone who wants to side with the Muslims against me and people like me had better not get in the line of fire when the sh*t hits the fan.

 

[This_person]

Well then I misunderstood your intent and I therefore apologize for my comments against you.

You didn't act respectfully towards his beliefs?

This garbage above is an example of why we are seen as infidels because this quote above has the words of one.

This doesn't sound very respectful of his beliefs.

 

[This_person]

You can pretend that all this conflict is not actually a Holy War, but it is. They have sworn to kill us. They have declared war on us. All in the name of their religion. I will defend myself and my country and my right to not convert.

The point is, it's not a Holy War from our point of view. They may see it that way, but we're just defending ourselves, and our right to believe and act in any religious manner we choose. Our right to exist, much like the Jewish population of Isreal's fight.

 

[beerlover]

The point is, it's not a Holy War from our point of view. They may see it that way, but we're just defending ourselves, and our right to believe and act in any religious manner we choose. Our right to exist, much like the Jewish population of Isreal's fight.

If the aggressors declare a Holy War on us, and we are just defending ourselves, are we not still part of a Holy War, just one we didn't declare?

 

[This_person]

If the aggressors declare a Holy War on us, and we are just defending ourselves, are we not still part of a Holy War, just one we didn't declare?

That'll be decided by the victor's historians.....

My point is that we aren't at war because of our religious beliefs. Someone is at war with us because of theirs, and we're defending ourselves.

That's all I'm saying.

 

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

Yes, I am indeed an infidel. The basic tenet of Islam is to convert everyone to Islam or kill them. I'm not converting, and I don't advocate sitting idly by while the strength and resolve of those who want to kill me grows.

Everyone is always talking about the "Moderate Muslim" and the gentle nature of Islam. It is a farce. If you are a Muslim, then by definition you want to kill me if I won't convert. That's ALL Muslim's, because if they don't believe that they aren't following the teachings of the religion they profess to follow. There are no moderates - only sleeper cells. Where is the outcry and uprising against the so-called criminal minority who are hijacking Islam from all the vast numbers of "moderates"? They are complicit by their inaction.

I'll go a step further and say that any non-Muslim who wants to support the right of Muslims to call for the death of non-Muslims is just as much my enemy as the most vehement Jihadist.

You can pretend that all this conflict is not actually a Holy War, but it is. They have sworn to kill us. They have declared war on us. All in the name of their religion. I will defend myself and my country and my right to not convert. And anyone who wants to side with the Muslims against me and people like me had better not get in the line of fire when the sh*t hits the fan.

The term they use (infidel) does not mean non-Muslim.

The claim against the USA is being an infidel to our Christianity.

Islam and the Quran specifically respects Christianity and Judaism but it does not respect the wrongful action of anyone and that is what makes one an infidel.

So you are basing your fears on a mis-understanding.

The Muslims are telling us to do right (non infidelity) and not for Christians to turn into Muslims.

They are asking us to behave like Christians and stop our immoral infidelities.

The name "Islam" means submission to God - and not submission to Muslims.

That is their real message, and they are correct in that.

 

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

You didn't act respectfully towards his beliefs?
This doesn't sound very respectful of his beliefs.

You may not say so, but I was very respectful.

Plus your opinion does not speak for those other posters.

Try speaking for yourself.

 

[beerlover]

The term they use (infidel) does not mean non-Muslim.

The claim against the USA is being an infidel to our Christianity.

Islam and the Quran specifically respects Christianity and Judaism but it does not respect the wrongful action of anyone and that is what makes one an infidel.

So you are basing your fears on a mis-understanding.

The Muslims are telling us to do right (non infidelity) and not for Christians to turn into Muslims.

They are asking us to behave like Christians and stop our immoral infidelities.

The name "Islam" means submission to God - and not submission to Muslims.

That is their real message, and they are correct in that.

Wrong again. Read the Koran.

 

[This_person]

The claim against the USA is being an infidel to our Christianity.

Islam and the Quran specifically respects Christianity and Judaism but it does not respect the wrongful action of anyone and that is what makes one an infidel.

The Holy Quran says specifically to tell the infidels in command - the ones in power and of privledge and position, to repent and turn from the evils, and if they do not turn then comes utter destruction.

The Quran does not instruct him to tell the "utter destruction" part but all of us that read the Quran know it.

So you are basing your fears on a mis-understanding.

The Muslims are telling us to do right (non infidelity) and not for Christians to turn into Muslims.

They are asking us to behave like Christians and stop our immoral infidelities.

So, you seem to be saying here that if we don't act like they think we should act regarding our religion, then they will destroy us (or try to), and that is the justification.

I think that's a pretty good reason to fear, to defend. I understand what you are saying.

Why do you feel it's okay to attack us for not following our religion the way WE see fit, instead of how THEY see fit?

 

[This_person]

You may not say so, but I was very respectful.

I see, you were apologizing for being respectful, and calling someone's views "garbage" is respectful.

Gotcha.

 

[JPC sr]

The truth will set us all free.

So, you seem to be saying here that if we don't act like they think we should act regarding our religion, then they will destroy us (or try to), and that is the justification.

The offences by the USA like torture and criminal wars and lying claims, hypocrisy of our President, senseless murder of Muslims, crimes against humanity, etc., are very valid justifications to defend against the American immoralities and its infidelities.

That the criminal Muslims want us to act like moral and lawful Christians and then they will stop the terrorism is not an excessive request for peace.

I think that's a pretty good reason to fear, to defend. I understand what you are saying.

It does appear that you and President Bush are allowing your fears to govern your actions so now the USA lives in a senseless and immoral fear.

So long as the USA continues to do wrong then the fear is very justified.

Why do you feel it's okay to attack us for not following our religion the way WE see fit, instead of how THEY see fit?

Neither you nor Bush speaks for "we" all, but for those that keep the USA doing wrong (as told above = torture, murder, war, etc.) then other people all over the world are very justified in defying and retaliating against your kind of violent religious beliefs.

In fact the unjust and crual and violent religious beliefs shown by the Bush administration has been creating enemies here in the USA from consciencious people of all religions including any honest Christian - IMO.