Preaching Women

[This_person]

To help any child we must help the child's parent(s) and then the parents will take care of their own children.

What about the personal responsibility of the parent?

Anything that attacks or harms either parent is harming the child.

What is harming to either parent to ask them to share in supporting the child? It's very sad you see children in that light.

 

[~mellabella~]

That is an absurdity that is being forced onto our society.

To help any child we must help the child's parent(s) and then the parents will take care of their own children.

Claiming to help a child by harming their parents is what goes on now.

The law does not represent the children - that is the parents place, so the Court is violating the parent's authority and breaking up the family unit.

It is like having a hungry family and then feeding the children and give nothing to the parents and then saying look how self righteous we are because we help children.

The need is to feed the parents and then the parents will feed their own children accordingly.

Anything that attacks or harms either parent is harming the child.

Having laws that are only representing the "interest of the child" is shutting out the parents and violating the family unit.

If we want to help the child then we must help the family, but now we have laws that claim to help the child by dividing the family unit, and the family unit is the building blocks of every society and thus the misguided laws are hurting everyone and the so-called help is vain.

Here is where we will have to disagree. Yes we can help the parents, but the parents should be taking responsibility on their own. My parents divorced when I was 13. If the courts had not force my dad to pay child support, I would have gone without a lot of things-food, my home, ect. My mom worked very hard to provide for us, but in this day and age, it is getting harder and harder to do it alone. The laws that I support are the ones that tell parents to step and be an adult. Take care of what is yours. Do I think all parents should be punished for the crimes of a few? Of course not. But I do think that the courst shoulddn't have to hold the hands of these parents who leave their children in the dust and teach them how to be responsible. Its the precedent that was set by the parents that forces the court to do so.

 

[JPC sr]

Ferrous Canus, and Stupidus Giganticus.

Here is where we will have to disagree. Yes we can help the parents, but the parents should be taking responsibility on their own. My parents divorced when I was 13. If the courts had not force my dad to pay child support, I would have gone without a lot of things-food, my home, ect. My mom worked very hard to provide for us, but in this day and age, it is getting harder and harder to do it alone. The laws that I support are the ones that tell parents to step and be an adult. Take care of what is yours. Do I think all parents should be punished for the crimes of a few? Of course not. But I do think that the courst shoulddn't have to hold the hands of these parents who leave their children in the dust and teach them how to be responsible. Its the precedent that was set by the parents that forces the court to do so.

I feel sorry for you.

 

[~mellabella~]

I feel sorry for you.

lol, I can't tell if you are being serious or not!

But if you are, don't be. It made me stronger.

If you aren't, well....

 

[JPC sr]

Ferrous Canus, and Stupidus Giganticus.

lol, I can't tell if you are being serious or not!

But if you are, don't be. It made me stronger.

If you aren't, well....

Sorry again.

I never thought you might get the impression that I was sorry for your past experiences. No.

I meant that I was sorry that you now have such horrible beliefs about families and parents that you would get a job to seek out those to whom you may attack and degrade in the self righteous claims.

I feel sorry that you are so mixed up, and that you would join into such an evil occupation.

The big-daddy gov withs its parenting police is irritating to me, but the gov workers that play God with other people's children are dispicable.

It pains me whenever I hear of another misguided person joining in the Devil's work.

 

[~mellabella~]

Sorry again.

I never thought you might get the impression that I was sorry for your past experiences. No.

I meant that I was sorry that you now have such horrible beliefs about families and parents that you would get a job to seek out those to whom you may attack and degrade in the self righteous claims.

I feel sorry that you are so mixed up, and that you would join into such an evil occupation.

The big-daddy gov withs its parenting police is irritating to me, but the gov workers that play God with other people's children are dispicable.

It pains me whenever I hear of another misguided person joining in the Devil's work.

I didn't think so. Well, all that I can say is that the only reason you could ever feel the way that you do is if you feel that they have done you wrong. I don't seek to attack anyone, but I do seek to correct the wrongs that have been done.

 

[JPC sr]

Ferrous Canus, and Stupidus Giganticus.

I didn't think so. Well, all that I can say is that the only reason you could ever feel the way that you do is if you feel that they have done you wrong. I don't seek to attack anyone, but I do seek to correct the wrongs that have been done.

Well I really admire this response as most others turn into dogs when I preach like that.

So you have tenacity and I approve of strong people (male or female).

The claim that I feel that way because it is from personal experience does irritate me, but you force me to reconsider that may well be correct.

My personal experiences with the family Court system still drives my own hatred of the dirty thievery.

I would add that the woman in the video is expressing her own experience too, same link HERE again.

Since one of your previous post also shows your experience with a mom receiving child support from a dad that the State "forced" to pay then that might be why you expect to find "deadbeat parents" even while I say there are none.

Many others on here and elsewhere are not able to understand the realities of the Family Court system as they have not experienced the injustices of it so I can not get through to such a one.

You now appear to be above that croud level.

So I suppose, most grudgingly, I wish you well in your plans.

 

[hvp05]

Well I really admire this response as most others turn into dogs when I preach like that.

Did you attend the Westboro Baptist school of "preaching"? Because, when they can not argue on substance, they attack their opponents personally and baselessly, just as you did. That is why people get nasty with you... because you go there first. (But you know that because you incite people intentionally.)

The claim that I feel that way because it is from personal experience does irritate me, but you force me to reconsider that may well be correct.

My personal experiences with the family Court system still drives my own hatred of the dirty thievery.

Why did you answer your own question? Especially when it is clear that the personal experiences that "irritate" you were caused by you? The system did not put anything upon you that you did not definitely ask for.

 

[smcop]

It is slander when the poster says he is a "cop" then degrades citizens as "deadbeats" based on his own pompous self-praised-life and totally ignoring the woman preaching in the link HERE.

Me and he have communicated before on these forums so it is more then the couple post of this one thread.

Well genius, your wrong again. Here is the definition of slander; the utterance in the presence of another person of a false statement or statements, damaging to a third person's character or reputation: usually distinguished from libel, which is written

First, I didn't speak of any individual, but if the shoe fits....

Second, what I said isn't false. Therefore it isn't slander or libel!

 

[~mellabella~]

Well I really admire this response as most others turn into dogs when I preach like that.

So you have tenacity and I approve of strong people (male or female).

The claim that I feel that way because it is from personal experience does irritate me, but you force me to reconsider that may well be correct.

My personal experiences with the family Court system still drives my own hatred of the dirty thievery.

I would add that the woman in the video is expressing her own experience too, same link HERE again.

Since one of your previous post also shows your experience with a mom receiving child support from a dad that the State "forced" to pay then that might be why you expect to find "deadbeat parents" even while I say there are none.

Many others on here and elsewhere are not able to understand the realities of the Family Court system as they have not experienced the injustices of it so I can not get through to such a one.

You now appear to be above that croud level.

So I suppose, most grudgingly, I wish you well in your plans.

I appreciate that we can agree to disagree and still talk on the level. We come from different sides of the playing field, but overall want the same result-families to be families.

 

[This_person]

The claim that I feel that way because it is from personal experience does irritate me, but you force me to reconsider that may well be correct.

I've told you this 50 times. Why is this time different? Never mind, I'm just glad that it is. You're learning.

My personal experiences with the family Court system still drives my own hatred of the dirty thievery.

I've told you this 50 times, and you've denied it each time.

I would add that the woman in the video is expressing her own experience too, same link HERE again.

And, making no specific claims of wrongdoing. Jaded employee, I believe.

Many others on here and elsewhere are not able to understand the realities of the Family Court system as they have not experienced the injustices of it so I can not get through to such a one.

I've experienced it, from the point of view of the child and the custodial parent. Both suck when the disloyal, dishonest, disrespectful parent is too selfish to support their own child.

You've only been through it on the selfish, self absorbed point of view. Gee, wonder why you think it's "dirty".

 

[smcop]

Well I really admire this response as most others turn into dogs when I preach like that.

So you have tenacity and I approve of strong people (male or female).

The claim that I feel that way because it is from personal experience does irritate me, but you force me to reconsider that may well be correct.

My personal experiences with the family Court system still drives my own hatred of the dirty thievery.

I would add that the woman in the video is expressing her own experience too, same link HERE again.

Since one of your previous post also shows your experience with a mom receiving child support from a dad that the State "forced" to pay then that might be why you expect to find "deadbeat parents" even while I say there are none.

Many others on here and elsewhere are not able to understand the realities of the Family Court system as they have not experienced the injustices of it so I can not get through to such a one.

You now appear to be above that croud level.

So I suppose, most grudgingly, I wish you well in your plans.

I haven't experienced the family court system because my childs mother told me how much she needed me to pay in child support and I found a way to pay it. I did so not because I am a great guy, or because I want her to like me, or because I feel like I am doing the right thing. I did so because I brought she is old enough to take care of herself, it is my responsibility to do so. Perhaps some of the dead beat parents who resent family court wouldn't do so if they did the right thing from the begining! Thats not to say that everyone is going to agree and there isn't a need for family court.

 

[hvp05]

We come from different sides of the playing field, but overall want the same result-families to be families.

I have not read many of your posts in this thread, nor do I aim to insult you...

... but you have misgauged his intent. He wants parents to be allowed to do whatever they want to do; if they should choose to stay with and raise their child(ren) great, and if they should choose to leave and dump the child(ren) on the taxpayer's burden, that should be okay too. No remorse, no payback, no accountability.

His beliefs stem from his arrogant neglect of his own child approximately 25 years ago. Now he aims to dismantle the system that tried - and, unfortunately, failed - to make him pay his dues because he is vengeful and self-serving; what's worse is he does this under the guise of "helping others".

He has proudly announced his achievements hundreds of times. His statements are easily found, and you should do a little searching before supporting anything he says... or just ask and he will gladly relay his tales of deserting his family and partying as a bachelor all over again.

 

[hvp05]

I've told you this 50 times.

I do believe you omitted two or three zeros...

 

[godsbutterfly]

Well I really admire this response as most others turn into dogs when I preach like that.

So you have tenacity and I approve of strong people (male or female).

The claim that I feel that way because it is from personal experience does irritate me, but you force me to reconsider that may well be correct.

My personal experiences with the family Court system still drives my own hatred of the dirty thievery.

I would add that the woman in the video is expressing her own experience too, same link HERE again.

Since one of your previous post also shows your experience with a mom receiving child support from a dad that the State "forced" to pay then that might be why you expect to find "deadbeat parents" even while I say there are none.

Many others on here and elsewhere are not able to understand the realities of the Family Court system as they have not experienced the injustices of it so I can not get through to such a one.

You now appear to be above that croud level.

So I suppose, most grudgingly, I wish you well in your plans.

How dare you sit there on your sanctimonious pompous backside and talk about the injustices of the Child Support System? Come back and talk to me after you have been a faithful spouse and your partner decides to walk out on you and leave you with three kids, utilities that are now behind and a bank account that they have emptied while they go set up a lovenest with somebody else - spending money on new furniture and alcohol etc. I emptied out my 401K, cashed in Life Insurance Policies and did everything I could think of trying to keep that house afloat before I finally had Child Support Enforcement step in. Why? Because there's something intimidating about a man who says if you do you better plan your own funeral but after awhile that just doesn't matter anymore. So take your notion of "injustice" and round file it, okay?

 

[This_person]

...So take your notion of "injustice" and round file it, okay?

I'd like to offer my condolenses on your past.

I'm also hoping that round file you'd like him to shove his notion of injustice in is a bodily orifice, not a trash can.

 

[JPC sr]

Ferrous Canus, and Stupidus Giganticus.

The claim that I feel that way because it is from personal experience does irritate me, but you force me to reconsider that may well be correct.

My personal experiences with the family Court system still drives my own hatred of the dirty thievery.

I would add that the woman in the video is expressing her own experience too, same link HERE again.

Since one of your previous post also shows your experience with a mom receiving child support from a dad that the State "forced" to pay then that might be why you expect to find "deadbeat parents" even while I say there are none.

Many others on here and elsewhere are not able to understand the realities of the Family Court system as they have not experienced the injustices of it so I can not get through to such a one.

Now I feel I must add that my own personal experiences are not limited to my own case.

I have been often to the Family Court in several States across the USA and here in St. Mary's County I have been to this Court often and have witnessed the injustices of the child support and custody laws being forced onto friends, family and onto strangers and I object to it all.

Also I once lived with a mother of two that never received her Court ordered child support. And I have 2 sisters that had custody and I did attempt to convince then to reject the stolen money, but one seemed to enjoy the perceived vengeance inflicted on her baby's dad and my other sister could not fathom rejecting free money, even though both had high incomes and neither needed the stolen c/s loot.

And I say it is a fraud to say that I, or any opponent to stealing, must first be a custodial parent in need of money that then I would change my position and I would join in the stealing of child support.

That is the logic of crack cocaine - try it and like it.

I can indeed understand a custodial wanting more money for child support much as a hungry person would want food, but neither give justification for becoming a thief or for accepting stolen money on a regular basis.

And the fact that the c/s loot is stolen from the separated parents makes so the gov is improperly putting the guilt onto the custodial and the children are degraded into a commodity with a used and unjust price tag attached.

Therefore, my point is that my own personal experiences and my lackings in personal experience is not my deciding factors in resisting the unjust child support.

I denounce the abusive custody and child support laws because they are immoral and unjust to everyone with no exception.

 

[This_person]

The claim that I feel that way because it is from personal experience does irritate me, but you force me to reconsider that may well be correct.

My personal experiences with the family Court system still drives my own hatred of the dirty thievery.

Now I feel I must add that my own personal experiences are not limited to my own case.

Therefore, my point is that my own personal experiences and my lackings in personal experience is not my deciding factors in resisting the unjust child support.

Let me comment on this with a quote from a real fool, who was right at least once:

That is the logic of crack cocaine.

 

[~mellabella~]

How dare you sit there on your sanctimonious pompous backside and talk about the injustices of the Child Support System? Come back and talk to me after you have been a faithful spouse and your partner decides to walk out on you and leave you with three kids, utilities that are now behind and a bank account that they have emptied while they go set up a lovenest with somebody else - spending money on new furniture and alcohol etc. I emptied out my 401K, cashed in Life Insurance Policies and did everything I could think of trying to keep that house afloat before I finally had Child Support Enforcement step in. Why? Because there's something intimidating about a man who says if you do you better plan your own funeral but after awhile that just doesn't matter anymore. So take your notion of "injustice" and round file it, okay?

PS: Thats my momma!

 

[~mellabella~]

No remorse, no payback, no accountability.

His beliefs stem from his arrogant neglect of his own child approximately 25 years ago. Now he aims to dismantle the system that tried - and, unfortunately, failed - to make him pay his dues because he is vengeful and self-serving; what's worse is he does this under the guise of "helping others".

Damn. JPC, do you have any defense to that at all?