Pres. Bush's perspective

[Sharon]

But what Bush is doing is scary.

Really? How so?

 

[Tonio]

Really? How so?

I was talking about his apparent Messiah complex.

 

[Sharon]

I was talking about his apparent Messiah complex.

What's that mean?

 

[Tonio]

What's that mean?

That means he seems to believe that he is God's representative on earth. That's a lot different from most Christians, who believe they are serving God.

 

[Sharon]

That means he seems to believe that he is God's representative on earth.

Is this your opinion?

If not, please provide sources for this statement as I've never heard him say this before.

Thanks!

 

[vraiblonde]

There's a hell of a lot more to it than that. Bush is on record as saying he believes God chose him to be president and that God speaks through him.

If you believe that God is responsible for all things, as many Christians do, then it's not unreasonable to believe that God chooses our President, makes the weeds in your garden, creates an Osama bin Laden, etc.

If Bush thinks God speaks through him, the question that should be asked is, "Um...well what is He saying?" And what "God" is saying through George Bush isn't particularly alarming to me.

 

[2ndAmendment]

If you believe that God is responsible for all things, as many Christians do, then it's not unreasonable to believe that God chooses our President, makes the weeds in your garden, creates an Osama bin Laden, etc.

God creates all things for His purposes which we rarely understand. He influences circumstances to fulfill the prophesies of the Bible. The Bible says in Romans 13:1:

1Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.

This has happened all through history. If Kerry is elected President, I will submit. I personally believe it will be to start and maybe complete the downfall of the United States as a world power; possibly to even signal the start of world anarchy. I don't claim to know; I just believe God's Word.

 

[jlabsher]

God creates all things for His purposes which we rarely understand. He influences circumstances to fulfill the prophesies of the Bible. The Bible says in Romans 13:1:
This has happened all through history. If Kerry is elected President, I will submit. I personally believe it will be to start and maybe complete the downfall of the United States as a world power; possibly to even signal the start of world anarchy. I don't claim to know; I just believe God's Word.

You scare me dude, and the fact that you are armed scares me even more!

 

[UrbanPancake]

If you believe that God is responsible for all things, as many Christians do, then it's not unreasonable to believe that God chooses our President, makes the weeds in your garden, creates an Osama bin Laden, etc.

If Bush thinks God speaks through him, the question that should be asked is, "Um...well what is He saying?" And what "God" is saying through George Bush isn't particularly alarming to me.

By Golly, Bush must think he's the second coming of Jesus.

 

[UrbanPancake]

Now if you believe Bush is the second coming, I guess that means Catholics will change to Bushlics.

 

[Kyle]

You scare me dude, and the fact that you are armed scares me even more!

Another fine quality of Demmies... They scare easily.

 

[jlabsher]

Another fine quality of Demmies... They scare easily.

Yeah a religious zealot who is armed is very comforting, just ask anyone in Iraq!

 

[Kyle]

Yeah a religious zealot who is armed is very comforting, just ask anyone in Iraq!

So in your opinion... anyone with a religious conviction is a zealot?

Interesting.

 

[UrbanPancake]

Yeah a religious zealot who is armed is very comforting, just ask anyone in Iraq!

Or in Iran, don't forget Iran!

 

[PrchJrkr]

So in your opinion... anyone with a religious conviction is a zealot?

Interesting.

Dems speak in catch phrases and sound bites, remember?

 

[Kyle]

Dems speak in catch phrases and sound bites, remember?

It appears they reason in a similar manner.

 

[ylexot]

Strong religious beliefs do not make someone dangerous. I challenge you to find a "dangerous" Amish person.

 

[PrchJrkr]

Strong religious beliefs do not make someone dangerous. I challenge you to find a "dangerous" Amish person.

I recently saw a Mennonite with a compound bow strapped to his bike. Do you think they're forming their own terrorist cell?

 

[UrbanPancake]

Strong religious beliefs do not make someone dangerous. I challenge you to find a "dangerous" Amish person.

They also don't try to run for political office and force there beliefs on everyone.

 

[SamSpade]

You scare me dude, and the fact that you are armed scares me even more!

Why? I haven't seen whether or not you believe in God, or what kind of God you believe in, or if you have any faith in any part of the Bible. But it does say that he works all things for the good of those who love him and are called according to his purpose. Joseph in the Old Testament explains his years of misery after being sold by his brothers "You intended to harm me, but God intended it for good to accomplish what is now being done, the saving of many lives."

The Christian perspective is not that everything that happens is God's will, but that he will work with it for the good, for he will not interfere with our choices.

In the New Testament it says "Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves." and "Honor the Emperor" (written by Peter - so the 'emperor' was probably *Nero*). It does NOT mean the authority is righteous - only that it is there because God permitted it.

It's fair to say that things are as they are not because God *wills* it, but that God *permits* it, and uses it for the good. In such a case, should Kerry be elected, it can concur with the will of God.