pro choice Catholics-what is the point

[libby]

So, just out of curiousity. Priests have been speaking against abortion in the local area quite a bit since the before the election, and now with the Freedom of Choice Act coming up, they are speaking out about it more.
At Mass, some parishoners have left in the course of homilies on the matter. So, my question is this. The Catholic Church's position is that abortion is always murder, and it is intrisically evil, and a person who claims to be Catholic should always be pro-life.
Are there any pro-choice Catholics out there that can shed some light on why you continue to attend a Catholic Church? Do you hear yourselves when you say during the creed, "I believe in One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church" (yes, I know other faiths recite the same creed and they mean invisible, universal church)
Why not just go to another denomination that is pro-choice? Is there something within the Catholic Church that you still believe in?
I'm not going to debate, I'm just looking for the reasoning.

 

[Highlander]

So, just out of curiousity. Priests have been speaking against abortion in the local area quite a bit since the before the election, and now with the Freedom of Choice Act coming up, they are speaking out about it more.
At Mass, some parishoners have left in the course of homilies on the matter. So, my question is this. The Catholic Church's position is that abortion is always murder, and it is intrisically evil, and a person who claims to be Catholic should always be pro-life.
Are there any pro-choice Catholics out there that can shed some light on why you continue to attend a Catholic Church? Do you hear yourselves when you say during the creed, "I believe in One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church" (yes, I know other faiths recite the same creed and they mean invisible, universal church)
Why not just go to another denomination that is pro-choice? Is there something within the Catholic Church that you still believe in?
I'm not going to debate, I'm just looking for the reasoning.

I've never heard of a pro-choice true catholic. At the end of each mass, we always read the "Prayer for the unborn." That's as silly as saying catholic churches will be performing gay marraiges in the near future. It ain't happening.

If you want to believe in gay marraige or killing unborn babies, then you are not catholic, no matter how often you go to church.

 

[Christy]

Quick question. If a Catholic can't be pro-choice, does that mean an athiest can't be pro-life?

 

[libby]

I've never heard of a pro-choice true catholic. At the end of each mass, we always read the "Prayer for the unborn." That's as silly as saying catholic churches will be performing gay marraiges in the near future. It ain't happening.

If you want to believe in gay marraige or killing unborn babies, then you are not catholic, no matter how often you go to church.

I didn't say the Catholic Church's would be performing gay marriages. I asked whether anyone thought it could happen, the majority say No.
I also don't think the question is "silly" when you have the freedom of choice act coming up that will revoke federal funding for Catholic hosptials if they refuse to perform abortions.
Do you think there are no pro-choicers in the pews on Sundays?

 

[libby]

Quick question. If a Catholic can't be pro-choice, does that mean an athiest can't be pro-life?

Atheists determine their own moral code, sometimes it's pro-life, sometimes it's pro-choice.
Pro-life atheists do a great service to the pro-life cause by helping articulate that there are reasons beyond theism that support the right to life for the unborn babies. Catholics, by choosing to claim Catholicism, should be abiding by the doctrines of the church.

 

[Bavarian]

We would not have this problem of a vehement pro-death administration if the Bishops enforced the rules from the Vatican. Canon 915 calls for the excommunication of a Catholic who votes for a pro-abortion candidate. Not only is this not enforced, but here in the Archdiocese, ABhp Wuehl gives Communion to pro-abort politicans like Biden and Pelosi.
And now, we have to fight FOCA, well if the election had turned out right, no problem with FOCA, McCain is pro-life.

 

[Radiant1]

So, just out of curiousity. Priests have been speaking against abortion in the local area quite a bit since the before the election, and now with the Freedom of Choice Act coming up, they are speaking out about it more.
At Mass, some parishoners have left in the course of homilies on the matter. So, my question is this. The Catholic Church's position is that abortion is always murder, and it is intrisically evil, and a person who claims to be Catholic should always be pro-life.
Are there any pro-choice Catholics out there that can shed some light on why you continue to attend a Catholic Church? Do you hear yourselves when you say during the creed, "I believe in One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church" (yes, I know other faiths recite the same creed and they mean invisible, universal church)
Why not just go to another denomination that is pro-choice? Is there something within the Catholic Church that you still believe in?
I'm not going to debate, I'm just looking for the reasoning.

I'm pro life, but not because the Church tells me I should be but rather because that's what my conscience dictates.

I can only suspect that Catholics who are pro choice remain Catholic because they view it as any other sin, much like adultery, coveting, or what have you but that's only a guess. I mean you aren't going to tell someone because they're a sinner they can't sit in the pew are ya?

Mind you if they choose to leave during a homily on the matter then that implies they don't feel sorry over their intellectual stance and yeah they need to find somewhere else to go.

 

[luckystar]

What about people that go to church that have (or have had) pre-marital sex? Should they be kicked out for not wanting to sleep with someone who is bad in bed for the rest of their life?

 

[Bavarian]

Any sinner must first go to Confession to receive Absolution before they receive The Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Jesus Christ.
They must resolve to not commit that sin anymore. That, in this case, means become pro-life.

 

[toppick08]

Any sinner must first go to Confession to receive Absolution before they receive The Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Jesus Christ.
They must resolve to not commit that sin anymore. That, in this case, means become pro-life.

The gift of life is free......no middle man.

 

[Radiant1]

Any sinner must first go to Confession to receive Absolution before they receive The Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Jesus Christ.
They must resolve to not commit that sin anymore. That, in this case, means become pro-life.

Right, and if they're not absolved then the eat and drink unworthily. I'm not sure it's every priests place to know whether any given person receiving Eucharist has sin on their shoulders or not, is it? I mean that would be an impossible task don't you think? So a pro-choice Catholic makes that decision for themselves just like the rest of us do.

 

[theArtistFormerlyKnownAs]

What about people that go to church that have (or have had) pre-marital sex? Should they be kicked out for not wanting to sleep with someone who is bad in bed for the rest of their life?

Of course not
"Sins" are ok as long as the majority of people commit them

 

[luckystar]

Any sinner must first go to Confession to receive Absolution before they receive The Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Jesus Christ.
They must resolve to not commit that sin anymore. That, in this case, means become pro-life.

So (if I were a Christian), I would check out the guy to make sure he was good in bed first, confess, and then I'm cool?

 

[Bavarian]

There is the case of blatent, open sinners, such as Biden, Schwarzeneger, The Kennedy(s), Kerry, Gilluiani, etc. Letting them receive is a scandal and that is where they must be denied Holy Communion. People see them receiving and think they are OK to be pro-abortion, living in sin, etc.The Bishops must guard the people entrusted to them.

Just heard Edward M. Kenedy colapsed at Inauguration, pray that he converts and confesses his sins before it is too late

 

[toppick08]

There is the case of blatent, open sinners, such as Biden, Schwazeneger, Kennedy(s), Kerry, Gilluiani, etc. Letting them receive is a scandal and that is where they must be denied Holy Communion. People see them receiving and think they are OK to be pro-abortion, living in sin, etc.The Bishops must guard the people entrusted to them.

We are all sinners.....'yea must be born again.........

 

[libby]

I'm pro life, but not because the Church tells me I should be but rather because that's what my conscience dictates.

I can only suspect that Catholics who are pro choice remain Catholic because they view it as any other sin, much like adultery, coveting, or what have you but that's only a guess. I mean you aren't going to tell someone because they're a sinner they can't sit in the pew are ya?

Mind you if they choose to leave during a homily on the matter then that implies they don't feel sorry over their intellectual stance and yeah they need to find somewhere else to go.

Well, I hadn't really thought of it that way. However, I would venture a guess that a person who is committing adultery would admit that it is, indeed, a sin. Whereas I think pro-choicers believe their position is righteous based on concerns for the woman.
By no means am I suggesting that someone struggling with the issue is unwelcome, nor am I saying that someone who has had an abortion does not belong. It's more the Biden/Pelosi kind of person I'm curious about.
As I said at the start, it's really a question to satisfy my own curiosity on the thought process.
I guess, as a group, many Catholics do not take their faith very seriously.

 

[Bavarian]

I thought with Benedict XVI, the cafeteria would be closed.
But look at Archbishop Wuehl, his giving Communion to known pro-abortion "Catholic" politicans is a scandal. That is why I no longer give more than a token donation to the Appeal.

 

[thatguy]

I guess, as a group, many Catholics do not take their church's intrusion into their lives very seriously.

I think most catholics take their faith very seriously, they just understand that the pope is just another person and that the rules he makes or suggests are not necessarily those of god. In other words, rules made up by the church are just that, and can be ignored without violating one's contract with god. now the stuff that is actually in the bible is a different story.....

 

[Bavarian]

I think most catholics take their faith very seriously, they just understand that the pope is just another person and that the rules he makes or suggests are not necessarily those of god. In other words, rules made up by the church are just that, and can be ignored without violating one's contract with god. now the stuff that is actually in the bible is a different story.....

Then they are not Catholics. We believe the Pope is the Vicar of Christ, the Successor of St. Peter who God has chosen to run the Church and guide us to the Truth. If you don't accept this, you are not a Catholic.

 

[theArtistFormerlyKnownAs]

Then they are not Catholics. We believe the Pope is the Vicar of Christ, the Successor of St. Peter who God has chosen to run the Church and guide us to the Truth. If you don't accept this, you are not a Catholic.