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toppick08
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When I was younger, I was told by a lot of local Catholics, that I was going to Hell, because I was Methodist.......:shrug:
I just prayed for them......
I just prayed for them......
pro choice Catholics-what is the point
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Well, the above-mentioned forms of birth control do act as abortaficients at times. (you can find that info on the prescription inserts in case you don't believe me) For those of us who believe that life begins at conception, these means of controlling birth are unacceptable.
For those of other faith traditions, or no faith tradition at all, not to worry. You are not under any obligation to listen to the Catholic Church.
theArtistFormerlyKnownAs
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sockgirl77
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Will I burn for eternity if I don't?
No. Drink a glass of wine then go to confession. All sins will be forgiven.
jetmonkey
New Member
Oh, I see; so you are saying their credibility is suspect, lols.
theArtistFormerlyKnownAs
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No. Drink a glass of wine then go to confession. All sins will be forgiven.
Think if I get seconds then I'll be pre-absolved for next time?
You do know that crazy people talk to themselves, right?
I'm going to assume that you are honestly asking if the Catholic Church would say that you are going to burn in hell. The answer would be "no."
theArtistFormerlyKnownAs
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I'm asking your opinion.
and why not?
Of course I'm honestly asking
I want to hear if your perspective is different than what I was taught.I'm asking your opinion.
and why not?
Of course I'm honestly asking
My opinion is that every person is on his own faith journey. While I firmly believe there is one Truth, I do not expect that everybody accepts it, but I do hope for that someday.
theArtistFormerlyKnownAs
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but if I do not accept your beliefs, then what does that mean for my eternal soul?
you may be ok with me not accepting...but is God?
You said you wanted my opinion. So, now are you asking what the Catholic Church teaches?
Taken from the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
"Ignorance of Christ and His Gospel, bad example given by others, enslavement to one's passions, ...rejection of the Church's authority...lack of conversion...these can be at the source of errors in judgement. If...the moral subject is not responsible for his erroneous judgement, the evil committed cannot be imputed to him."
Keep in mind that the Catholic Church (as well as every other church) claims to be the One, True Church. Keep in mind that "ignorance" here does not have a negative connotation, it merely means that one doesn't know the Gospel (of course, as the CC teaches).
You will see that the reasons for one's rejection of the Church (perhaps abuse by a priest) plays a large part in what the Church would say about the individual subject.
The Church does not assume the ability to condemn anyone's immortal soul, period. She might tell someone that they are at risk of eternal damnation, but that's as far as she would go.
This_person
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If you do not accept Christian beliefs, then you would not accept that you have an eternal soul insofaras Christians teach it. God would be a meaningless concept to something that you wouldn't even believe you had.
So, what's the point of the question?
Beta84
They're out to get us
Aren't Catholics (as well as most religions) against sex before marriage? Aren't they against divorce? People still do it. Don't give me that whole bulls*** argument that the marriages get "annuled" after you've had 3 kids and been married for 10+ years, since an annulment is defined as a marriage that was invalid from the beginning. Sorry but that's just a scam for money. And don't even get me started on the whole confession thing...seems to basically be saying even the worse people could convert on their deathbeds, confess their sins, and be forgiven. Seriously? Or am I missing something?
So my point is, every religion has a certain set of beliefs. Does every person follow EXACTLY what their religion preaches? No. If they did, you'd have a whole set of brainwashed peons running around and the holy wars would be worse than ever. There is no religion that fits every single teensy little belief of yours into a shell. Maybe some people 'truly' believe in every single bit of their specific religion and follow every single law, but for the vast majority, there is no perfect religion for them. So people either stick with the religion they grew up in and modify some things here and there to fit their own needs, or they find a religion that suits them the "best". Most of the time, nothing will suit you perfectly. That doesn't mean you need to find another religion or give up on it entirely.
Does everyone follow the doctrines of the church they claim exactly? You are correct when you say, NO. However, everyone should aspire to avoid sinful behavior as their faith teaches it. If a person does not agree with the tenets of the faith they claim, they should adopt another faith tradition.
It will come as no surprise that I believe in one Truth, which is contained in the doctrines of the Catholic Church. ( I hope you will be able to separate doctrines from individual behaviors and opinions that have been expressed). Naturally, from my Catholic perspective, if everyone aspired to the holiness of Jesus Christ Himself, the world would be a far better place.
I assume the rest of your questions are rhetorical, and you really have no desire to get into a discussion of the merits of the Church teachings.
SingerLady
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Okay quik question..............My friends girlfriend was preggo and she had an abortion. BUT IT WAS AT 15 WEEKS.............I don't understand how someone could do that. I mean the baby is a baby by then, has a gender, a heartbeat. Am I the only one who feels that she waited way to late?
Beta84
They're out to get us
This argument is more a problem with society than anything else. They claim a faith because it's what their parents were and it's what they grew up with. They basically listen to it, but believe in whatever they want. Some of it matches, some of it doesn't. If every single person, at the age of 18, was to sit down and evaluate their belief system and compare it to every single religion, a ton of people would probably swap religions. But they don't, because they're comfortable enough with what they are and it's all they've ever known.
But back to what I said before, not every person fits 100% with any religion. You're basically saying that someone should change their religion because they're pro-choice. That's the most absurd thing I've ever heard of. That shouldn't have ANYTHING to do with religion! That was NOT a founding concept of Catholicism and didn't come about til the 1900's. If someone believes in every single little thing that the Catholic Church believes in, except pro-choice, you think they should find a new religion? What if Catholicism is still the one that works best for them? Stop being silly. Not everyone in your religion is going to believe in exactly what you do. Get over it and leave them be.
I don't understand this. 15 weeks? At the very worst, you should find out within a month or two unless you're a total moron. That's what, maybe 8 weeks? Figure it out, spend every waking second deciding if necessary, and make the decision during the 1st term. End of story. Isn't 2nd term a PBA? Or is that 3rd term?
sockgirl77
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No. I agree. It was a baby and not just a cell. While I am pro-choice, this is too much for me to handle.
SingerLady
New Member
This girl went 3 months without her period. And then took a preggo, test. STUPID STUPID GIRL. thats just sad.......
theArtistFormerlyKnownAs
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That makes no sense.
I have beliefs that coincide with that of Christians without being one, so whatever your point was, is moot.
5 months is my limit.
Anyting before that isn't viable.
I have no problem with her decision, besides her being so dumb as to not know sooner.
puggymom
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It is actually common for women not to have regular periods. IF she had regular periods then yes she was stupid or in serious denial. After I had my son my period did not return for almost 18 months...and no I was never pregnant again during that time.
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