Proudly Gay and Ordained?

[2ndAmendment]

If you are referring to Revelations... no one understands that fully - ask any pastor or minister, etc... I don't believe that Christians will judge the earth, afterall they are not supposed to judge people, especially while up in Heaven.

Do you read? Remember, reading for comprehension is your friend.

I never referred to the book of Revelations anywhere in this thread.

Here is the quote for the second time. See if you can get it.

1 Corinthians 6

<sup id="en-NASB-28469">1</sup>Does any one of you, when he has a case against his neighbor, dare to go to law before the unrighteous and not before the saints? <sup id="en-NASB-28470">2</sup>Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? If the world is judged by you, are you not competent to constitute the smallest law courts?

<sup id="en-NASB-28471">3</sup>Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more matters of this life?

Do you see where it says 1 Corinthians 6?

 

[2ndAmendment]

Yes - you are correct... there is no such thing as Jesus, Love and forgiveness - what Bible was I reading!! :whacksforhead:.

Where have I ever, ever said that? Where?

 

[dems4me]

Do you read? Remember, reading for comprehension is your friend.

I never referred to the book of Revelations anywhere in this thread.

Here is the quote for the second time. See if you can get it. Do you see where it says 1 Corinthians 6?

Yes Saints -- are you a Saint? Afterall you have already admitted to having sins. Do you really believe that you as a Christian and being frought with sin will be in heavan and in charge of casting the first stones at others - that again is a smack in the face for all the other scripture about not judging, casting the first stone, etc... the Bible nowhere says... do not judge, lest ye be judged, only until you reach heaven and then you become a saint and then and only then can judge until the cows come home.

 

[dems4me]

Where have I ever, ever said that? Where?

Read over your own posts, after all you know me.. I have reading incomprehension and need things highlighed in red and in large print... if you wrote it and can't remember it - then how in the heck am I going to be able to help you :shrug:

 

[2ndAmendment]

Then why do you try to push folks that are not Christian away and continually make it appear to be an elite hip club to belong to. Again, you are going about this with the wrong approach. I'm not trying to be funny or anything but when you read the Bible do you ever get an inordinate amount of Love message in there - or do you just focus on the condemnation in it? Do you believe that if you fall down the stairs, its God punishing you? Do you believe in God being a big mean kill-joy in life? Or do you see God as you would a father... you wrong a father as in here on earth but he has unconditional love for you. ?

I do not try to push anyone away. I also do not try to candy coat the Bible like you do. I use scripture, not my opinion, to proclaim God's word. God has rewarded me greatly. If you bothered to read your Bible, you would find there is much more said about the wrath that will befall sinners and that there is nowhere that anyone is given a free ride just because.

John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life." John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."
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It doesn't say that you can get there through Buddha or Allah or being a sinner. God freely gives us salvation. We have to accept it. The gift of salvation is free. He chose to die on a cross for our sins. That is true love, to lay down your life for another. He rose from the dead as a promise of eternal life. There is no middle ground. God way or not; Heaven or hell, the choice belongs to each of us.

You say He has unconditional love. I see where He has undying love for us. I see where He has eternal love for us. I also see where He places conditions on entrance into His kingdom and salvation. You don't get in without believing in and accepting God as man, Y'shua, Jesus, as Savior and Lord. Just read the gospels dems. Just read. Don't skim. Don't speed read. Read for comprehension. Maybe then you will get it.

 

[dems4me]

I do not try to push anyone away. I also do not try to candy coat the Bible like you do. I use scripture, not my opinion, to proclaim God's word. God has rewarded me greatly. If you bothered to read your Bible, you would find there is much more said about the wrath that will befall sinners and that there is nowhere that anyone is given a free ride just because.

John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life." John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."
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It doesn't say that you can get there through Buddha or Allah or being a sinner. God freely gives us salvation. We have to accept it. The gift of salvation is free. He chose to die on a cross for our sins. That is true love, to lay down your life for another. He rose from the dead as a promise of eternal life. There is no middle ground. God way or not; Heaven or hell, the choice belongs to each of us.

You say He has unconditional love. I see where He has undying love for us. I see where He has eternal love for us. I also see where He places conditions on entrance into His kingdom and salvation. You don't get in without believing in and accepting God as man, Y'shua, Jesus, as Savior and Lord. Just read the gospels dems. Just read. Don't skim. Don't speed read. Read for comprehension. Maybe then you will get it.

It does not say in that passage that you can't get through heaven if you are a Christian but gay. :shrug:

 

[2ndAmendment]

Yes Saints -- are you a Saint? Afterall you have already admitted to having sins. Do you really believe that you as a Christian and being frought with sin will be in heavan and in charge of casting the first stones at others - that again is a smack in the face for all the other scripture about not judging, casting the first stone, etc... the Bible nowhere says... do not judge, lest ye be judged, only until you reach heaven and then you become a saint and then and only then can judge until the cows come home.

Again, it is apparent you do not read the Bible. The Christians are called saints. Being a saint does not mean you are sinless. It means you are a Christian. You would misunderstand that because of your Catholic background and the conferring of sainthood by Catholics, which is nowhere to be found in the Bible.

 

[dems4me]

Again, it is apparent you do not read the Bible. The Christians are called saints. Being a saint does not mean you are sinless. It means you are a Christian. You would misunderstand that because of your Catholic background and the conferring of sainthood by Catholics, which is nowhere to be found in the Bible.

Again, it is apparent that you don't read the Bible and compare scripture in light of other scripture. (FORGIVENESS, LOVE, TOLERANCE, UNDERSTANDING, ACCEPTANCE, CHARITY, WITNESSING AND TESTIFYING - NOT JUDGING OTHRES AND THEN IF THEY DISAGREE STATE - SURELY THEY DON'T READ THE BIBLE BECAUSE THEY DO NOT HAVE THE EXACT SAME INTEREPRETATION)

Also, no one said I was Catholic... you presumed that and I just didn't feel lik arguing. Yes, I do read the Bible, I just make sure to also bear in mind the scripture that says "do not lean unto thy own understanding" that is all you do in the bible. You use the Bible as a weapon instead of something to bridge gaps and make peace.

 

[2ndAmendment]

Disciples of Christ were first called Christians at Antioch. You are a disciple of Christ if you are follower of Christ. Believers in Christ are called saints in Acts, Romans, 1 Corinthians, 2 Corinthians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 Thessalonians, 2 Thessalonians, 1 Timothy, Philemon, Hebrews, Jude, and Revelation. You would know that if you read your Bible. It was more common to call the followers of Christ, saints than it was to call them Christians. The term Christian was often a derogatory term when it was first used.

Acts 11:25-27

<sup id="en-NASB-27333">25</sup>And he left for Tarsus to look for Saul; <sup id="en-NASB-27334">26</sup>and when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch And for an entire year they met with the church and taught considerable numbers; and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch.

<sup id="en-NASB-27335">27</sup>Now at this time some prophets came down from Jerusalem to Antioch.

 

[2ndAmendment]

It does not say in that passage that you can't get through heaven if you are a Christian but gay. :shrug:

Wolf!

 

[dems4me]

Wolf!

Stop being the boy that cries wolf...

 

[2ndAmendment]

Calling you a Catholic was presumption on my part. You did say you had an uncle that was a Catholic brother. Catholicism tends to run in families.

 

[2ndAmendment]

Stop being the boy that cries wolf...

If it prowls like a wolf and howls like a wolf, it is probably a wolf even if it put on sheep skin.

 

[dems4me]

Calling you a Catholic was presumption on my part. You did say you had an uncle that was a Catholic brother. Catholicism tends to run in families.

What are you talking about? My uncles on my fathrs side are all dead - one died at 37 from a brian tumor and the other at the age 12 from falling off of a monkey bar and breaking his neck before I was born And the uncles on my mothers side don't talk about religion and are not catholic. My fathers side is all Irish Catholic but it doesn't necessarily by family make me one... its not like being Jewish or something :shrug:

 

[2ndAmendment]

What are you talking about? My uncles on my fathrs side are all dead - one died at 37 from a brian tumor and the other at the age 12 from falling off of a monkey bar and breaking his neck before I was born And the uncles on my mothers side don't talk about religion and are not catholic. My fathers side is all Irish Catholic but it doesn't necessarily by family make me one... its not like being Jewish or something :shrug:

Another oops. It was pegsters uncle. You just quoted her.

 

[dems4me]

Another oops. It was pegsters uncle. You just quoted her.

That's fine - we are not perfect.

just like the saying on bumper stickers


Just because we are Christian does not mean we are prefect but that we are forgiven

 

[itsbob]

Did you read the quote? Again, I guess not. I am not assuming God's role. The Bible says that the saints, Christians, will judge the world. You must have an aversion to reading scripture. There come those wolf suspicions again.

Doesn't the Koran say the same thing for the Muslims? You must have an aversion to reading the Koran.

And whatever religion you are, and whatever you read for a scripture, don't they ALL say that?

So it really has nothing to do with christianity, just the belief that becasue I am 'X' faith I will have dominion over those of 'Y' and 'Z' faith..

The catholics believe they are the one true religion on the planet, the Mormons do too.. and so do the Muslims, and Buddhists.. and even the MOONIES! SO which one is right, who's scripture is truer then the other?

 

[dems4me]

Doesn't the Koran say the same thing for the Muslims? You must have an aversion to reading the Koran.

And whatever religion you are, and whatever you read for a scripture, don't they ALL say that?

So it really has nothing to do with christianity, just the belief that becasue I am 'X' faith I will have dominion over those of 'Y' and 'Z' faith..

The catholics believe they are the one true religion on the planet, the Mormons do too.. and so do the Muslims, and Buddhists.. and even the MOONIES! SO which one is right, who's scripture is truer then the other?

personally, I go by historical evidence, arechalogical evidence, manuscript evidence, etc... jmo.

 

[2ndAmendment]

Doesn't the Koran say the same thing for the Muslims? You must have an aversion to reading the Koran.

And whatever religion you are, and whatever you read for a scripture, don't they ALL say that?

So it really has nothing to do with christianity, just the belief that becasue I am 'X' faith I will have dominion over those of 'Y' and 'Z' faith..

The catholics believe they are the one true religion on the planet, the Mormons do too.. and so do the Muslims, and Buddhists.. and even the MOONIES! SO which one is right, who's scripture is truer then the other?

Are you interested in reality, or are you just here to make trouble like normal?

 

[itsbob]

personally, I go by historical evidence, arechalogical evidence, manuscript evidence, etc... jmo.

and so, which one according to all this evidence is true? Which is the ONE true religion, that is more right and better then eveyone else's??

The one that doesnt eat pork? The one that bathes in cow urine? The one that has "celibate" priests and nuns? The one that in the past allowed plural marriages, as did society in biblical times? The one that doesn't believe in modern day medicine? The one that doesn't use electricity?
The one that carves monuments and statues of sea-gulls?