Proudly Gay and Ordained?

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dems4me

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itsbob said:
and so, which one according to all this evidence is true? Which is the ONE true religion, that is more right and better then eveyone else's??

The one that doesnt eat pork? The one that bathes in cow urine? The one that has "celibate" priests and nuns? The one that in the past allowed plural marriages, as did society in biblical times? The one that doesn't believe in modern day medicine? The one that doesn't use electricity?
The one that carves monuments and statues of sea-gulls?

You obviously have your mind made up and are just looking for a heated spiratual debate... although 2A and I are Christian we just disagree on "inhouse" things... we don't disagree entirely with the fundamentals of Christianity, etc... he discusses his point and I discuss mine. You on the other hand, I can't help but feel are trying to set up a big debate between believers and nonbelievers... its called shiatstirring and board lady Vria doesn't like that in the religious forums... :wink:
 

itsbob

I bowl overhand
2ndAmendment said:
Are you interested in reality, or are you just here to make trouble like normal?
Just what I believe.. more people have killed and died in the name of God then for any other reason.. Like 5 year olds fighting on a playground, "MY God is better then your God."

EVERY body of organized religion believes they are the only true religion, and everyone else will suffer for their false beliefs. Even though chistianity is supposed to foster humanity and compassion, how many millions of died for not being christian, or even not being christian enough?

Not a sermon, just a thought!!
 
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dems4me

Guest
itsbob said:
Just what I believe.. more people have killed and died in the name of God then for any other reason.. Like 5 year olds fighting on a playground, "MY God is better then your God."

EVERY body of organized religion believes they are the only true religion, and everyone else will suffer for their false beliefs. Even though chistianity is supposed to foster humanity and compassion, how many millions of died for not being christian, or even not being christian enough?

Not a sermon, just a thought!!


Well people die all the time, every day, etc... all from causes different from others :shrug: Don't hone in on the word Christian and instead hone on the word automobile accidents, murders, overdoses, suicides, etc... and I'm sure you will find that people die from those as well. As for being Christian and knowing you are saved is something you feel in your heart without any doubts in my opinion.
 

itsbob

I bowl overhand
dems4me said:
You obviously have your mind made up and are just looking for a heated spiratual debate... although 2A and I are Christian we just disagree on "inhouse" things... we don't disagree entirely with the fundamentals of Christianity, etc... he discusses his point and I discuss mine. You on the other hand, I can't help but feel are trying to set up a big debate between believers and nonbelievers... its called shiatstirring and board lady Vria doesn't like that in the religious forums... :wink:
Not stirring the pot.. just asking a question.. according to all the evidence which one is the TRUE church..
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
itsbob said:
Just what I believe.. more people have killed and died in the name of God then for any other reason.. Like 5 year olds fighting on a playground, "MY God is better then your God."

EVERY body of organized religion believes they are the only true religion, and everyone else will suffer for their false beliefs. Even though chistianity is supposed to foster humanity and compassion, how many millions of died for not being christian, or even not being christian enough?

Not a sermon, just a thought!!
I think it does not matter what anyone posts back to you. There will be no discussion. Just openings for your barbs. Thanks but no thanks. You know where I hang out IRL. If you are really interested in discussing this, I will be happy to, but I am not here for your board entertainment.
 

itsbob

I bowl overhand
dems4me said:
Well people die all the time, every day, etc... all from causes different from others :shrug: Don't hone in on the word Christian and instead hone on the word automobile accidents, murders, overdoses, suicides, etc... and I'm sure you will find that people die from those as well. As for being Christian and knowing you are saved is something you feel in your heart without any doubts in my opinion.
Point taken, but have you ever heard of anyone racing across an open battlefiled screaming....


"In the name of FORD!!"
 
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dems4me

Guest
itsbob said:
Point taken, but have you ever heard of anyone racing across an open battlefiled screaming....


"In the name of FORD!!"


Sure all the time at nascar races.... :roflmao:


I too will decline to exchange barbs with you.
 
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dems4me

Guest
2ndAmendment said:
Don't bother Dems. He is really not interested in your point of view.



Has that yet to stop me on ANY of these forums?
:killingme:


I am in agreement with you, its not worth the effort to get all riled uop with shiatstirrn' shiat'sBob :smooch:
 

Hessian

Well-Known Member
Hessian here...
Looks like mostly a banter between exact interpretation and Feel-Good theology.

Lets get back to the original debate:
Gay Pastors: Wrong.-Period,...no room for "well,... they are compassionate"
or "They have a fuller understanding of the Love toward all people" or "They are only acting on what God made them..."

WRONG. As 2ndA has reinterated time & again is that one should not be captive to the sins of this world--they clearly are. How would they counsel a young man if he's questioning his "orientation?"

"Go with the lusts of your heart my son and find your true identity,..God cares and wants you to feel fulfilled."
OH???? whatever happened to forsaking ALL...and having a pure heart???

This is a poison...a fraud...an intentional twisting of what should be a Holy calling into a mockery!

NEXT issue
What happens in a persons bedroom is their own private matter? OH?
And this is the same God who knows all, sees all? What...he can't see what happens behind closed doors? What God finds abhorrent, we shouldn't dismiss as a "private matter."


Last Issue.
2ndA has desperately tried to point out that he is NOT picking & choosing, NOT twisting different versions of scripture...and has gone gently with those that say..."well I feel..." Those words make me want to boldly say...

WRONG! When we collapse into the pathetic void of "I feel..." we are making our worthless emotions the judge of behavior.

"Gee,...he died from Aids but he was such a caring person! I "know" God loved and accepted him and took him to heaven...I feel the same way too."

WRONG!....did Biffy repent of his sins...recognize Christ as his true savior,...and live his life as a vessel for God's use????
Or was he still a corrupt little weasel who wanted people to "accept" him for "what he was" and threw in a sprinkle of Christianity to get sympathy and free care??
Being good, caring, being tender...being MOTHER Theresa does NOT get you salvation--and if you believe otherwise -you are rejecting:
"I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life....NO man commeth to the Father but by Me."...if you think that that was too narrow, or He was just mistranslated: you are dead wrong in two ways.
 

Railroad

Routinely Derailed
Hessian said:
Hessian here...
Looks like mostly a banter between exact interpretation and Feel-Good theology.

Lets get back to the original debate:
Gay Pastors: Wrong.-Period,...no room for "well,... they are compassionate"
or "They have a fuller understanding of the Love toward all people" or "They are only acting on what God made them..."

WRONG. As 2ndA has reinterated time & again is that one should not be captive to the sins of this world--they clearly are. How would they counsel a young man if he's questioning his "orientation?"

"Go with the lusts of your heart my son and find your true identity,..God cares and wants you to feel fulfilled."
OH???? whatever happened to forsaking ALL...and having a pure heart???

This is a poison...a fraud...an intentional twisting of what should be a Holy calling into a mockery!

NEXT issue
What happens in a persons bedroom is their own private matter? OH?
And this is the same God who knows all, sees all? What...he can't see what happens behind closed doors? What God finds abhorrent, we shouldn't dismiss as a "private matter."


Last Issue.
2ndA has desperately tried to point out that he is NOT picking & choosing, NOT twisting different versions of scripture...and has gone gently with those that say..."well I feel..." Those words make me want to boldly say...

WRONG! When we collapse into the pathetic void of "I feel..." we are making our worthless emotions the judge of behavior.

"Gee,...he died from Aids but he was such a caring person! I "know" God loved and accepted him and took him to heaven...I feel the same way too."

WRONG!....did Biffy repent of his sins...recognize Christ as his true savior,...and live his life as a vessel for God's use????
Or was he still a corrupt little weasel who wanted people to "accept" him for "what he was" and threw in a sprinkle of Christianity to get sympathy and free care??
Being good, caring, being tender...being MOTHER Theresa does NOT get you salvation--and if you believe otherwise -you are rejecting:
"I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life....NO man commeth to the Father but by Me."...if you think that that was too narrow, or He was just mistranslated: you are dead wrong in two ways.
Thank you, thank you, and THANK YOU!!!! Excellent summary, and excellent statement of the TRUTH!!!! :notworthy: :clap:
 

Chasey_Lane

Salt Life
Railroad said:
Thank you, thank you, and THANK YOU!!!! Excellent summary, and excellent statement of the TRUTH!!!! :notworthy: :clap:
Oh, please! How many of you literary bible thumpers is actually following Gods Doctrine to the last word? None of you, so enough with the hypocricies. :bubble:
 

Railroad

Routinely Derailed
Chasey_Lane said:
Oh, please! How many of you literary bible thumpers is actually following Gods Doctrine to the last word? None of you, so enough with the hypocricies. :bubble:
No hypocricy here - I'm human and I sin. I also try my darnedest not to. I haven't condemned anyone, and haven't judged anyone. And I don't appreciate the "literary Bible thumpers" remark. I haven't called you any names, and if you have to resort to that, then we're clearly nearing the end of the supposedly grown-up discusion, because in the end, people start name-calling because they're out of legitimate arguments.
 

Chasey_Lane

Salt Life
Railroad said:
And I don't appreciate the "literary Bible thumpers" remark. I haven't called you any names
I didn't single you out in the name-calling; it was a "generalized" remark. And even if I had, I don't see it as a "bad" annotation. :confused:
 

Railroad

Routinely Derailed
Chasey_Lane said:
I didn't single you out in the name-calling; it was a "generalized" remark. And even if I had, I don't see it as a "bad" annotation. :confused:
and if you have to resort to that, then we're clearly nearing the end of the supposedly grown-up discusion, because in the end, people start name-calling because they're out of legitimate arguments.
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Chasey_Lane

Salt Life
morganj614 said:
:smacksmack: Railroad my dear friend...You have this habit of wanting threads to disappear just because...STOP IT
:killingme
God has no reign over this thread; carry on...:snacks:
 
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SmallTown

Football season!
It is interesting to see how "god's thinking" changed over time, which is unusual based on our normal interpretation of God.
For example:
Lev. 20:10 "`If a man commits adultery with another man's wife --with the wife of his neighbor --both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.
And actually, the original punishment was more specifically stoning. Stoning is an obvious human tactic, God had other ways to destroy people when he wanted. But then again, who would be able to say that this person should be put to death?

And then In Chapter 8 of John in the new Testament we have the notorious "cast the first stone" dialog:


<DD>Jesus went unto the mount of Olives.
<DT>8:2 <DD>And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.
<DT>8:3 <DD>And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
<DT>8:4 <DD>They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
<DT>8:5 <DD>Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
<DT>8:6 <DD>This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
<DT>8:7 <DD>So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
<DT>8:8 <DD>And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
<DT>8:9 <DD>And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
<DT>8:10 <DD>When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
<DT>8:11 <DD>She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.</DD>
 
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Railroad

Routinely Derailed
morganj614 said:
:smacksmack: Railroad my dear friend...You have this habit of wanting threads to disappear just because...STOP IT
:killingme
You're right, Morgie. But:

[Rant] Well I mean REALLY - 8 pages for people to say whether or not they think a gay should be a preacher? This could have been a simple yes/no/maybe Poll. Does anyone SERIOUSLY think that any one post in this thread is going to change anybody? Making one's point once should be enough. This is as bad as the Ken King thing, or before that Terry Schiavo. One would think we could have a little more variety than beating the same thing to death, day after day. And this discussion in particular has been chasing its tail for DAYS. Round and round the same two or three ideas, day after day. We've worn a HOLE in this thread. I'm reminded of the Monty Python skit about the dead budgie - the man trying to explain to the pet shop owner that the bird was dead. And I, like Charlie Brown with Lucy holding the football, can't seem to turn my back on this dang thing anymore than the rest of ya! [/Rant]
 
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