Puppy Fever!!!

[TurboK9]

You gotta suit or a sleeve?

right now just a few different sleeves, jute AND french linen... (no worries here, I'll catch suit dogs on a sleeve, even leg biters... just gotta know how to target them.)

I'm ordering a suit though... they are just sooooo expensive and I had given my old one away (didn't fit well, and was pretty beat up).

 

[DeeCee]

right now just a few different sleeves, jute AND french linen... (no worries here, I'll catch suit dogs on a sleeve, even leg biters... just gotta know how to target them.)

I'm ordering a suit though... they are just sooooo expensive and I had given my old one away (didn't fit well, and was pretty beat up).

DEAR GOD you're braver than i ever would be! NO WAY would I do that My but isn't heavy enough to hold up against even the lightest dog so i wouldn't suit up ever, but hubs was pretty good, in his day. What are they up to now? 'Round 3K? I can dig around to see if anyone i know has a used one in decent shape if you want.

 

[TurboK9]

DEAR GOD you're braver than i ever would be! NO WAY would I do that My but isn't heavy enough to hold up against even the lightest dog so i wouldn't suit up ever, but hubs was pretty good, in his day. What are they up to now? 'Round 3K? I can dig around to see if anyone i know has a used one in decent shape if you want.

I can get a Demanet suit, custom sized, for about 1400-1800 wholesale... not too bad, but more than I have laying around right now. That's one of the reasons I want to get a PP group going, with low monthly dues... it gets expensive taking hits for free, LOL.

I'd be willing to shell out maybe 600 for a decent used suit for now... but I'm 6'3", and tall-boy suits are hard to come by, Usually I look like Urkle in other peoples suits...

 

[DeeCee]

O.I.C. My peeps do sch trng, which includes the A/B training and titling first, then the bitework phases, not just the PP work, although that certainly is the most exciting. I get almost as much of a rush watching a superb sch A/B performance by a good trainer using positive reinforcement and eye contact. To me that's what it's all about. Having a partner you can trust. I've seen way too many deflect back on to the handler when being agitated or rush into the stands and grab a spectator who raised his arm at the wrong moment. Not cool.
I've had them deflect back onto ME when handling for prospect agitation for other owners. Also not cool.

 

[TurboK9]

O.I.C. My peeps do sch trng, which includes the A/B training and titling first, then the bitework phases, not just the PP work, although that certainly is the most exciting. I get almost as much of a rush watching a superb sch A/B performance by a good trainer using positive reinforcement and eye contact. To me that's what it's all about. Having a partner you can trust. I've seen way too many deflect back on to the handler when beig agitated or rush into the stands and grab a spectator. Not cool.

Yup yup.

One thing that's always bugged me about SCH is how standardized the club training always seem to be... and the focus on prey, prey, prey. But then, SCH is not done for practical application, but to show trainability in those particular areas... so... :shrug: I try to keep a "to each his own" attitude, but it isn't my cup of tea. I'm much more into French Ring, Mondioring, and KnPV. Nothing like a FR3 doing an escort with a skilled, agile decoy! Amazing stuff!!

 

[DeeCee]

Yup yup.

One thing that's always bugged me about SCH is how standardized the club training always seem to be... and the focus on prey, prey, prey. But then, SCH is not done for practical application, but to show trainability in those particular areas... so... :shrug: I try to keep a "to each his own" attitude, but it isn't my cup of tea. I'm much more into French Ring, Mondioring, and KnPV. Nothing like a FR3 doing an escort with a skilled, agile decoy! Amazing stuff!!

The Rott clubs REQUIRE a Sch A/B title before the bitework phases for that reason. And they require hip cert before any adult titling (Seiger/Seigerin) due to the rigors of the testing.

I LOVE FR!
I've only seen one true KnPV competition, but the hard dog comps sponsored by NARF are a combination of FR and KnPV - they add the water stuff of FR to them which is so cool! And always as much fun to watch as to participate in. If you know of any competitions within an hours drive, let me know, I'd love to go watch we haven't been to one in ages.

 

[TurboK9]

The Rott clubs REQUIRE a Sch A/B title before the bitework phases for that reason. And they require hip cert before any adult titling (Seiger/Seigerin) due to the rigors of the testing.

I LOVE FR!
I've only seen one true KnPV competition, but the hard dog comps sponsored by NARF are a combination of FR and KnPV - they add the water stuff of FR to them which is so cool! And always as much fun to watch as to participate in. If you know of any competitions within an hours drive, let me know, I'd love to go watch we haven't been to one in ages.

That's awesome. To many clubs, even with working breeds, simply pull out a ruler and a protracter to measure the dog's suitability. Refreshing to hear such standards, reminds me of the ZTP...

And definitely... I'll be looking for Mondio mostly, it's like less formal FR with 'themes' for each trial.. fun as heck!!

 

[ArkRescue]

I just LOVE Rotties !

The Rott clubs REQUIRE a Sch A/B title before the bitework phases for that reason. And they require hip cert before any adult titling (Seiger/Seigerin) due to the rigors of the testing.

I LOVE FR!
I've only seen one true KnPV competition, but the hard dog comps sponsored by NARF are a combination of FR and KnPV - they add the water stuff of FR to them which is so cool! And always as much fun to watch as to participate in. If you know of any competitions within an hours drive, let me know, I'd love to go watch we haven't been to one in ages.

 

[DeeCee]

That's awesome. To many clubs, even with working breeds, simply pull out a ruler and a protracter to measure the dog's suitability. Refreshing to hear such standards, reminds me of the ZTP...

The ZTP is the Rott breed suitability test - not a working title. Have you ever seen one?

And definitely... I'll be looking for Mondio mostly, it's like less formal FR with 'themes' for each trial.. fun as heck!!

THIS sounds like fun it is a dobe specific thing?

 

[DeeCee]

I just LOVE Rotties !

Me Too.

 

[TurboK9]

The ZTP is the Rott breed suitability test - not a working title. Have you ever seen one?



THIS sounds like fun it is a dobe specific thing?

Well the ZTP of course is not breed specific... I've seen it with Dobes yup.

Easy stuff.

 

[bulldog]

Turbo,
Better bring your protective gear tomorrow. Marci may very well try to beat you to death with her super secret "tail wag" move.

 

[DeeCee]

Well the ZTP of course is not breed specific... I've seen it with Dobes yup.

Easy stuff.

I meant the Mondio is it breed specific? I don't know what that is.

 

[TurboK9]

I meant the Mondio is it breed specific? I don't know what that is.

No no. It is based on French Ring but more... practical work oriented. Not so fancy or formal. And I once watched a JRT compete, Like a 12 pound pirhana,

U.S. Mondioring Association Front Page

Awesome french Ring escort... if the decoy breaks, the dog has to get him before he moves 5 steps... and gets more points the quicker he gets to him. Talk about dancing with a dog, LOL.

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Nicely trained FR Doberman compilation

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[DeeCee]

No no. It is based on French Ring but more... practical work oriented. Not so fancy or formal. And I once watched a JRT compete, Like a 12 pound pirhana,

I'd pay money to see that

 

[sanchezf]

Watching the first video, why does the dog stay between the mans legs at all times? Control?

 

[TurboK9]

Watching the first video, why does the dog stay between the mans legs at all times? Control?

So the guy can't easily break and run. He has a dog between his legs. LOL. When he breaks and runs, the faster the dog stops him the more points they get, and it's measured in distance... It's a technique to limit the decoys ability to move.

The reverse heel in the second one is the same idea... the longer the decoy is in contact with the handler the less points... notice that since they dog is heeling backwards, as soon as the decoy raises that arm and goes to touch the hander, chomp. Never actually touches him, lol.

I love the reverse heel... used that alot when I worked security with my dogs down in FL.

 

[Artemis]

OK, stupid questions....The videos were pretty cool. I think I understand the point of the leg thing but in the second video when the man reaches out to touch the man in front and then the dog attacks.....How in the world would you train a dog to differentiate between a friendly, "Hey Mister" or even a handshake movement? And once the dogs are trained thus are they no longer fit for public/family trips with lots of strangers/kids around? I would think the middle of the training program would be the most dangerous time with the dog when it knows enough to get into trouble but not enough to stay out of it?

But yes, watching a show like that would be lots of fun. I have never ever seen anything like that before. Had no idea there were even shows for it! Maybe we could all meet up at one sometime if it's not too far away? You could translate all the terminology and whistle blowing (kind of like my husband has to do for football....)

No no. It is based on French Ring but more... practical work oriented. Not so fancy or formal. And I once watched a JRT compete, Like a 12 pound pirhana,

U.S. Mondioring Association Front Page

Awesome french Ring escort... if the decoy breaks, the dog has to get him before he moves 5 steps... and gets more points the quicker he gets to him. Talk about dancing with a dog, LOL.

<iframe title="YouTube video player" width="480" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/KqiW-AHLkW0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Nicely trained FR Doberman compilation

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[TurboK9]

OK, stupid questions....The videos were pretty cool. I think I understand the point of the leg thing but in the second video when the man reaches out to touch the man in front and then the dog attacks.....How in the world would you train a dog to differentiate between a friendly, "Hey Mister" or even a handshake movement? And once the dogs are trained thus are they no longer fit for public/family trips with lots of strangers/kids around? I would think the middle of the training program would be the most dangerous time with the dog when it knows enough to get into trouble but not enough to stay out of it?

But yes, watching a show like that would be lots of fun. I have never ever seen anything like that before. Had no idea there were even shows for it! Maybe we could all meet up at one sometime if it's not too far away? You could translate all the terminology and whistle blowing (kind of like my husband has to do for football....)

hehe simple answer: You don't. The dog has already been cued to be on guard, thus the backwards heel. The dog knows the handler is 'leery' of the man following him because of that command, and he knows at this point that his job is to keep the target from making contact with his handler.

Beyond that, dogs know our body language more than we do. They are adept at reading intent based upon posture, facial expression, and movement. It's a good idea to teach the dog to wait for a command unless a quite blatant assault is occurring, but they are very good at knowing what is up before we do. ;-)

Once the weather is a bit warmer (consistently) I'll let you know...

 

[SugarBear47]

cropping is unusual punishment

Oh I totally understand. I keep seeing pics of puppies from breeders I visited before I got my Lab and they are so adorable. But the 1 1/2yr old ball of terror I have reminds me to wait. The next one I get will definitely be a rescue or pound puppy.

On another note I think cropping is borderline cruel and unusual punishment. Let me give you Vulcan ears and lop off part of a finger. I mean it's not like a circumcision. Dew claws I understand but also have my reservations about. Why humans always feel they have to change God's creations is beyond me. That's why I will never buy a dog who has been cropped.

I totally agree with you on this. Have you ever watched the surgery? Such a horrible thing to do to a puppy, who did not make the choice to be maimed and doesn't understand the pain and misery. Dew claws are bone...it's the same as removed a limb. Why? It certainly doesn't matter to the animal.