Rage Against the Machine discusses Social Security

[just.me]

Touche!!!!

 

[MMDad]

Hey, MM is the one who jumped in here and started being nasty.....Kudos to all who can express their opinion without resorting to insults!!! Thanks, vrai and Ker......I gave both of you positive feedback.....

Too bad these posts don't have time stamps so we can see that you snapped at Vrai before I snapped at you. I guess U-2 and Rage against the machine made you honest, too.

 

[SAHRAB]

Okay, so some musician expresses their opinion and it's all fine and dandy. But when I express my opinion that they are full of ####, that's somehow wrong??? Why is it that Green Day can blast our President and America in general, but people like me get a rash of #### when we blast them back???

"Freedom of speech and expression...only if we agree with Green Day and the rest of the Leftists", is more like it.

You have weird ideas of what "free speech" means. It only means that you can express yourself - not that everyone has to listen and respect your opinion. Nobody is stopping these "artists" from expressing themselves - we're merely disagreeing with them. You're teetering on the brink of fascism, there, my friend.

Lol now thats friggin scary, read my post

 

[SAHRAB]

Too bad these posts don't have time stamps so we can see that you snapped at Vrai before I snapped at you. I guess U-2 and Rage against the machine made you honest, too.

Dont get me wrong, i like both of those bands, but i dont give a crud what their political leanings are.

 

[just.me]

haha good catch

LOL!!! I was directing that towards the guy who only thinks HIS type of music is good.....Thanks!! I needed that!!

 

[vraiblonde]

Good catch!

 

[SAHRAB]

Pickles

 

[vraiblonde]

Pickles

Pickles.








Since I seem to be repeating everything you say today

 

[just.me]

Too bad these posts don't have time stamps so we can see that you snapped at Vrai before I snapped at you. I guess U-2 and Rage against the machine made you honest, too.

I don't think I ever 'snapped' at Vrai......just prchjrker and you....for being intolerant and insulting.... if it was taken that way, I apologize.
I have been too honest for way too long.

 

[SAHRAB]

Pickles.





Since I seem to be repeating everything you say today

SAHRAB is the bestest forum member





(worth a shot)

 

[Kerad]

You're teetering on the brink of fascism, there, my friend.

Wow...you TOTALLY missed the point of my post. Or chose to spin it however you wanted to read it.

So...my post saying that musicians are as entitled to express their beliefs as the rest of us makes me a fascist??? If that's what you're implying, then you have proven my point for me.

Thanks!

 

[vraiblonde]

So...my post saying that musicians are as entitled to express their beliefs as the rest of us makes me a fascist???

No. You said (and I quote):

Also a bit interesting how Green Day or A Perfect Circle get blasted by, ahem... "patriotic Americans" for what they sing about, but whenever some redneck in a cowboy hat needs to sell some albums, their social commentary is a welcome addition to the country music airwaves.

Green Day sings to their audience, "rednecks in cowboy hats" sing to theirs. It's literally that simple and nobody is silencing anyone, unless you count how the Left-wing media makes a big deal out of some kennedy like R. Kelly and totally ignores the aforementioned "rednecks".

Green Day blasts America in general, Red-Staters in particular (which is the majority of Americans). That makes them unpatriotic. Why get upset if someone actually calls them what they are?

 

[Spoiled]

I like to party f-cking hard
I like my rock and roll the same
Don't give a f-ck if I burn out
Don't give a f-ck if I fade away

So back to the Motor-League with me
Before I'm forced to face the wrath of a well-heeled buying public
Who live vicariously through
Tortured-artist college-rock and floor-punching macho pabulum
Back to the Motor League I go
Once thought I drew a lucky hand
Turned out to be a live grenade

Oh my god!
Holy sh-t!

Play-acting "anarchists" and Mommy's-little-skinheads,
Death-threats and sycophants and wieners drunk on straight-edge.
F-ck off
Who cares?
I'd rather highlight Trip-Tiks than listen to your bullsh-t.
F-ck off
Who cares- about your stupid scenes, your sh-tty zines, the straw-men you build up to burn?

It never ceases to amaze
And as I'm suffering your perfection it reminds me of my own race
To redress my own sad history of:
Mouthed feet
Eaten hats
Teated bulls
Amish phone-books
Drunken brawls

But what have we here?
15 years later it still reeks of swill and Chickenshit Conformists
With their fists in the air
Like-father, like-son "rebels" bloated on korn, eminems and bizkits.
Lord, hear our prayer:
Take back your Amy Grant mosh-crews and fair-weather politics.
Blow-dry my hair and stick me on a ten-speed.
Back to the Motor League
Back to the Motor League
Back to the Motor League

I guess life is just a popularity contest
Success, the ability to perform within a framework of obedience
Just ask the candy-coated Joy-Cam rock-bands
selling shoes for venture-capitalists,
silencing competing messages,
Rounding off the jagged edges

Propagandhi - Back to the motor league

I f-ckin’ love that one rock video where that f-cking jack-ass mohawked millionaire prances around by far the worst sausage party on earth, where by mere chance he’s caught on film shaking hands with an incredibly diverse collection of patriotic skins. I like the message it sends: With a Rebel™ yell, Just Do Exactly What You’re Told. One million douche bags can’t be wrong? “When did punk rock become so safe?” You’ll excuse me if I laugh in your face as I itemize your receipts and PowerPoint your balance sheets. I hear this year’s Vans Warped Tour is “going green!” I guess they heard that money grows on trees. Hope they ship all those sh-tty bands overseas like they did the factories. Music’s power to describe, compel, renew … It’s all a distant second to the offers you can’t refuse. Anyone remember when we used to believe that music was a sacred place and not some f-cking bank machine? Not something you just bought and sold? How could we have been so naïve? Well, I think when all is said and done, just cuz we were young doesn’t mean we were wrong. And I’ll rock back and forth on this two-bit hobbyhorse ‘til she splinters and gives way. I’ll tend the flowers by her grave. And whisper her name. If anyone out there understands can I please see a show of hands just so I know I’m not insane? Ever get the feeling you been played? Well, that’s rock for sustainable capitalism and you know, we may face a scorched and lifeless earth, but they’re accountable to their shareholders first. That’s how the world works.

Propagandhi "Rock For Sustainable Capitalism"

this displeasure with many of the more political bands which they feel are hypocritical for selling out to the very thing they are against: coporate america (green day would be an example, i guess... although the statement was a bit more pointed towards anti-flag and a handfull of other bands)

 

[vraiblonde]

this displeasure with many of the more political bands which they feel are hypocritical for selling out to the very thing they are against: coporate america

They're full of ####. They'd sell out in a second if some record producer waved a multi-million dollar contract in their face.

But it IS funny to hear pop bands with their corporate shillery singing about how "anti-establishment" they are.

 

[Spoiled]

They're full of ####. They'd sell out in a second if some record producer waved a multi-million dollar contract in their face.

But it IS funny to hear pop bands with their corporate shillery singing about how "anti-establishment" they are.

oddly enough, i think they have probably had the chance, they give the majority of the money they bring in to charity they live modest lives... they are a pretty big band and the made their own canadian label. they make their living through the band

 

[Kerad]

No. You said (and I quote):

Green Day sings to their audience, "rednecks in cowboy hats" sing to theirs. It's literally that simple and nobody is silencing anyone, unless you count how the Left-wing media makes a big deal out of some kennedy like R. Kelly and totally ignores the aforementioned "rednecks".

Green Day blasts America in general, Red-Staters in particular (which is the majority of Americans). That makes them unpatriotic. Why get upset if someone actually calls them what they are?

It seems you did not miss my point completely then...I agree with you on some of the above. I can't really comment on Kennedy or R. Kelley, as I have no idea what was said in that instance.

Green Day doesn't blast America, the country...so much as they DO blast the hard-core right wingers. As for the majority of Americans being red staters, I don't really believe that...Bush won by a couple percantage points in the last election....that's it. The majority of States were painted red on the electoral map...but the population is much thinner in the majority of those States. That's not the point, though. If GreenDay blasts the right wing, wouldn't that make them VERY partiotic to the left wingers?

Anyways...I'm not going to get sucked further along into this discussion of right vs. left, etc... I merely wanted to point out that everyone in America has the right to express their views. Just because we may not agree, doesn't make it "un-American". It makes it VERY American.

 

[vraiblonde]

As for the majority of Americans being red staters, I don't really believe that...

Um....Republicans have the White House, the House and the Senate. What part of this isn't coming together for you?

 

[vraiblonde]

If GreenDay blasts the right wing, wouldn't that make them VERY partiotic to the left wingers?

From dictionary.com:

patriotic
adj : inspired by love for your country

I would have to say that "American Idiot" and "Holiday" aren't particularly patriotic. I'm just not feeling the love.

 

[Spoiled]

From dictionary.com:

patriotic
adj : inspired by love for your country

I would have to say that "American Idiot" and "Holiday" aren't particularly patriotic. I'm just not feeling the love.

i love my country (so much i plan on joining the marines), however i feel change is needed and i dont particularly care for the current people in power... am i not a patriot? (im not attacking you, i am asking... i have talked to people that say its not possible to love the country but not support the president)

 

[Kerad]

Um....Republicans have the White House, the House and the Senate. What part of this isn't coming together for you?

I already mentioned the past election in my previous post. Eveything's just crystal clear on my end.

I do admire your pride in your party controlling all branches of government. Every "Titanic" has it's Captain Smith...and the country knows who's been steering this ship the last few years.

Anyways...enjoy your majority!