Okay, so now not only is our original criminal a kid shoplifting from a candy store, but now he has surrendered instead of running away to find a different victim.
You're a defense lawyer, aren't you?
Okay, so now not only is our original criminal a kid shoplifting from a candy store, but now he has surrendered instead of running away to find a different victim.
You're a defense lawyer, aren't you?
theArtistFormerlyKnownAs
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I was being hypothetical
Of course there is a risk of the loser getting killed 
Well that's a shame.
My position is pretty clear.
I don't think a person committing the crime of burglary should be killed.
I do think a homeowner has the right to defend themselves.
The only people who find those two positions different are those who want to think of different scenarios and add things to the mix.
The original article was misleading. The sponsor of the information has an agenda. In reading the news articles from the town in which the crime was committed, we got the other side of the story. That side is that one of the burgulars were shot while trying to climb out of a window, and the other was shot in the back while fleeing from the home, then later found dead on the property.
I have always said, a homeowner should do whatever it takes to protect themselves and their family.
I just don't think a person should be killed while running away from a non-violent crime.
You are entitled to my opinion as am I.
Larry Gude
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Not in Maryland there isn't; you can't shoot robbers in Maryland. It scares them therefore no shooting criminals in Maryland. Unless they are about to harm you. Which I find scary, so, it should be illegal for them to harm me.
I was being hypothetical
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Not in Maryland there isn't; you can't shoot robbers in Maryland. It scares them therefore no shooting criminals in Maryland. Unless they are about to harm you. Which I find scary, so, it should be illegal for them to harm me.
And I do.
So you can leave it at a difference of opinion, or you can bring shoplifting schoolchildren into the mix.
Xaquin44
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You dare impugn the rights of criminals to rob you!?
SPELLING AMERICA WITH A 'K' ARE WE!?
Larry Gude
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"I'll get you old man! Next time you won't have that gun, you mother####er, and we'll get you when you least expect it! You won't wake up ever again next time! You ain't ####. You're too scared to do anthing anyway, you chicken####mother####er! We'll get you! You just wait!"
Still feel the same way?
"I'll get you old man! Next time you won't have that gun, you mother####er, and we'll get you when you least expect it! You won't wake up ever again next time! You ain't ####. You're too scared to do anthing anyway, you chicken####mother####er! We'll get you! You just wait!"
Still feel the same way?
theArtistFormerlyKnownAs
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Can I run them down with my vehicle? :shrug:
I don't want the slimy bastage getting away, so I want to know my rights before I try to take him down
Larry Gude
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...maybe you're right. Maybe it's not fair of me to impose my morals and values on them and not want to be robbed or attacked. I can be sooo insensitive to the needs of others...
...maybe you're right. Maybe it's not fair of me to impose my morals and values on them and not want to be robbed or attacked. I can be sooo insensitive to the needs of others...
Xaquin44
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...maybe you're right. Maybe it's not fair of me to impose my morals and values on them and not want to be robbed or attacked. I can be sooo insensitive to the needs of others...
hahaha =)
Larry Gude
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No. Maryland has strict laws against parking and/or operating a vehicle inside the home. Unless, of course, you are a criminal or in the act of attempting a crime. Then, it's OK. You still can't shoot 'em, though, so, don't get any ideas. Unless you stop and search you're feelings and find that you feel threatened. Very threatened. Like scary death threatened in which case let them have the big screen and go back to bed. You don't need a big screen anyway when so many crooks don't have one. Or two. Or just want yours.
No. Maryland has strict laws against parking and/or operating a vehicle inside the home. Unless, of course, you are a criminal or in the act of attempting a crime. Then, it's OK. You still can't shoot 'em, though, so, don't get any ideas. Unless you stop and search you're feelings and find that you feel threatened. Very threatened. Like scary death threatened in which case let them have the big screen and go back to bed. You don't need a big screen anyway when so many crooks don't have one. Or two. Or just want yours.
As I have said dozens of times, you can add many things to the mix. I am not engaging in this stupid hypothetical, nor am I going to offer my own.
Larry Gude
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...which is EXACTLY why it should be up tp the homeowner/victim as opposed to the criminal getting all these rules in THEIR favor.
...which is EXACTLY why it should be up tp the homeowner/victim as opposed to the criminal getting all these rules in THEIR favor.
theArtistFormerlyKnownAs
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This_person
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And, what defensive actions do you feel the homeowner is allowed to take against this non-violent crime?
sweetprincess23
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I asked a similar question but got the run around, IMO.
As someone who has been in multiple violent situations in my home and felt my life was threatened on multiple occasions, I personally still don't want a gun in my home. This is only my feelings, I do not feel that I could kill someone. I have had guns pointed to my head and still don't feel that if I got the gun I would be able to kill someone. I would feel more comfortable with a taser or mace. This is only what I would do. If someone does feel comfortable killing someone than they should be able to defend their home.
Novus Collectus
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theArtistFormerlyKnownAs
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Novus Collectus
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It is not if the crime is intended to be violent, it is how the crime is percieved to be violent and if the defendor reasonably percieves the threat to be an imminent danger and a risk of bodily harm, then they are justified in using deadly force to end the threat from the criminal who is committing the crime of burglary.
As an example, a drunk bum is looking for a place to sleep and breaks into a house with a screwdriver.
Homeowner hears someone breaking in and grab their gun to investigate.
Homeonwner walks into the backroom to see a dark figure that shouldn't be there holding a sharp pointy screwdriver that can easily be a deadly weapon.
Homeowner shoots immediately.
It does not matter what the intent of the bum's was or if he probably would have surrendered immediately if given the chance, he was what a reasonable person would have agreed was a presented and imminent danger.
Another example, man in Baltimore who lives with his aunt is upstairs when he hears something odd downstairs. He grabs his gun to go check and sees in the kitchen a dark figure that he realizes is not his aunt.
Fearing for his life and his aunt's life who he does not know where she is in the house shoots the man in the back as he tries to run out of the kitchen.
The man dies outside of backdoor to the house......the resident is not even charged.