Religious Fanatics

[Bustem' Down]

I realize that most religious types love to think that their faith invented morality, but it’s so demonstrably false it isn’t even funny. If the Ten Commandments had never existed, the general concepts codified therein would still be necessary for the evolution of mankind. A society (i.e. human society) cannot evolve without order. Just like how we today, in the political realm, continue to create new laws as new situations arise out of necessity, so did “morality.” A group of hunter-gatherers would never have formed villages and towns if everyone was stealing from everyone else, or everyone was killing everyone else, or everyone was raping their neighbor’s wives and children. So while it might give you a warm, fuzzy feeling deep down in the ####les to think that God sent a lighting bolt down to Charlton Heston and wrote some rules on some tablets, the idea that this is where morality originates is absolutely absurd.

If you believe that morality comes from the Ten Commandments, do you also believe that different languages come from the Tower of Babel, rather than something that evolved through human interaction? Why believe one and not the other, they’re both in the Bible, right?

Many people have turned to religion. Many people have turned away from it. Funny how that works

Hammurabi's Code predates the Ten Commandments. Morality predates the Ten Commandments.

 

[Toxick]

Hammurabi's Code predates the Ten Commandments. Morality predates the Ten Commandments.

Then let's talk about what hypocrites all the friggin Babylonians are.


Pushing their religion on everyone... Always talking about Marduk this and Marduk that.... Like I care.

 

[Toxick]

<p>There were 282 laws. Some of these were:</p>

<li>If one accuses another with a capital offence, but cannot prove the charges, the accuser will be killed.</li>
<li>If one accuses another, and can prove it, the accuser shall be rewarded with money.</li>
<li>If a judge decides in a case, and later it turns out that he was wrong, he will have to pay twelve times as much as he set for the accused, and will never be allowed to judge anymore.</li>
<li>If one steals the son of another, he will be killed, and buried at the breach.</li>
<li>If one finds a slave who has run away, and he brings the slave back to his owner, the owner will pay two shekels.</li>
<li>If a robber is caught while stealing, he will be killed.</li>
<li>If one does not take good enough care of a dam, and the dam breaks, he shall be sold for money, which will replace the corn ruined due to the over-flooding of the crops.</li>
<li>If one over-floods a neighbor’s crops, then he shall pay the loss.</li>
<li>If one gives his garden to a gardener to take care of, and the gardener has done his job well for four years, on the fifth year the owner will have to take part in the gardening.</li>
<li>If the gardener did not do his job well, and the plants go bad, he shall pay the loss of the bad years according to the neighbor's plant product.</li>
<li>If one is in debt, and cannot pay, he can sell himself, his wife, his son and his daughter to work; after three years they shall be set free.</li>
<li>If the one in debt sells a slave to pay his debt, and the slave is good enough, there can be no objection.</li>
<li>If one marries a woman, but has no relationship with her, it is not considered as a marriage.</li>
<li>If a wife has a relationship with another man, both shall be tied and thrown into water, but the wife can be pardoned by her husband given to the king as a slave.</li>
<li>If a man uses violence on another man's wife to sleep with her, the man shall be killed, but the wife shall be blameless.</li>
<li>If a man is captured in war, and the wife leaves the house even though there is enough food, she shall be thrown into water.</li>
<li>If a man is captured in war, and there is no food, the wife is blameless if she goes to another house.</li>
<li>If a husband runs away from home, the wife goes to another house, and the husband subsequently returns, the wife does not have to go back.</li>
<li>If a man wants to separate from a woman who has given birth to his children, a part of land and money has to be given to her by the husband. When the children grow up, the wife can remarry.</li>
<li>If a man wants to separate from a woman, with no children, he shall have to give back her dowry and the money she has brought from her father's house.</li>
<li>If a man adopts a son and he grows up in the adopter's house, the original parents cannot demand his return.</li>
<li>If anyone strikes a man whose rank is higher than his, the man shall be whipped sixty times with an ox-whip in public.</li>
<li>If someone strikes another man equally ranked, he shall pay one gold mina.</li>
<li>If a slave strikes its owner, his ear will be cut off.</li>
<li>If a man strikes a pregnant woman, and she therefore loses her child, he shall pay ten shekels for her.</li>
<li>If anyone strikes anyone of lower rank, the victim shall commit the same injury as was done to him or herself upon the offender.</li>
<li>If a builder builds a house, and constructs it well, the owner will pay two shekels for each surface of the house.</li>
<li>If, however, he does not succeed, and the house falls in, killing the owner, the builder will be killed.</li>
<li>If the son of the owner dies, the son of the builder shall be killed.</li>
<li>If a man breaks down a wall of a house in an attempt to rob it (quite literally "breaking into") and is caught, his punishment will be to become sealed up inside the wall as a patch.</li>
<li>If a son strikes his mother his hands shall be cut off.</li>
<li>If a son says that his mother is not his mother or his father is not his father his tongue shall be cut off.</li>
<li>If a man put another man's eye out, his eye should be put out also (eye for an eye).</li>
<li>If a patient dies after or in surgery, the doctor's hand will be cut off.</li>

I think Our Constitution should be revised to include the above.

 

[Bustem' Down]

Then let's talk about what hypocrites all the friggin Babylonians are.


Pushing their religion on everyone... Always talking about Marduk this and Marduk that.... Like I care.

 

[Bustem' Down]

<li>If a man is captured in war, and the wife leaves the house even though there is enough food, she shall be thrown into water.</li>

My personal favorite.

 

[MMDad]

If a judge decides in a case, and later it turns out that he was wrong, he will have to pay twelve times as much as he set for the accused, and will never be allowed to judge anymore.

I like this one.

 

[SMIB Sucks]

I feel kind of like a religious fanatic after reading other people's responses to my post in another thread. The Black Box Theatre in Indian Head is doing Agnes of God and I think it's disgraceful.

Does anyone in here agree with me?

One...you are off the deep end.
Two...it's only a movie, even if it is based on a real event.
Three...if you don't like, it don't go see it.

I mean seriously what is your deal? You jump on this forum and write about how some movie theatre is showing a movie that is over 20 years old and then revive a thread from 2002 to do the same thing?!?!? Get over yourself man...how about live and let live? What is your friggin problem?

 

[SMIB Sucks]

it drives some people nuts hearing somewhere out there, there might be a God in Heaven who will judge them on how they lived, that they should not live there unmoral life People would rather worship trees then maybe a Living God, who could be real and have an outline for their salvation.

Playing devil's advocate here...but how do you know that the trees shouldn't be worshipped instead of "god"? I mean; you only know to believe in god becuase someone told you that you should when you were young and then, as a part of your enviornment, you grew up to believe that you feel that "god" exists. I am in no way saying that your belief is wrong; everyone should believe in what they feel is their religion. I guess all I am saying is you cannot discount the "trees" as a "living god" becuase there really is no way you can really tell that they are not.

 

[SMIB Sucks]

I realize that most religious types love to think that their faith invented morality, but it’s so demonstrably false it isn’t even funny. If the Ten Commandments had never existed, the general concepts codified therein would still be necessary for the evolution of mankind. A society (i.e. human society) cannot evolve without order. Just like how we today, in the political realm, continue to create new laws as new situations arise out of necessity, so did “morality.” A group of hunter-gatherers would never have formed villages and towns if everyone was stealing from everyone else, or everyone was killing everyone else, or everyone was raping their neighbor’s wives and children. So while it might give you a warm, fuzzy feeling deep down in the ####les to think that God sent a lighting bolt down to Charlton Heston and wrote some rules on some tablets, the idea that this is where morality originates is absolutely absurd.

If you believe that morality comes from the Ten Commandments, do you also believe that different languages come from the Tower of Babel, rather than something that evolved through human interaction? Why believe one and not the other, they’re both in the Bible, right?

Many people have turned to religion. Many people have turned away from it. Funny how that works

Great post, man...

 

[RadioPatrol]

Yes .......

Playing devil's advocate here...but how do you know that the trees shouldn't be worshipped instead of "god"? I mean; you only know to believe in god becuase someone told you that you should when you were young and then, as a part of your enviornment, you grew up to believe that you feel that "god" exists. I am in no way saying that your belief is wrong; everyone should believe in what they feel is their religion. I guess all I am saying is you cannot discount the "trees" as a "living god" because there really is no way you can really tell that they are not.

Yep True ........

For a Christian it is called Faith

 

[PsyOps]

It is funny how there are no religious fanatics that want to talk about all of these priest that have molested children in the New England area. &nbsp;I see in previous posts that some individuals were preaching and quoting the Bible, but now you are silent. &nbsp;And the arrogance of the one Cardinal that won’t step down is sickening to me. &nbsp;He should be thrown in jail. &nbsp;

I'm a little late in jumping in here but perhaps the answer to this is:

1) There are no religious "fanatics" in here (somehow I don't think you buy that answer).

or

2) Some things speak for itself and needs no condemnation.

 

[SMIB Sucks]

Yep True ........

For a Christian it is called Faith

Right, but what about the faith of the other religions? You cannot discount them...that's really what I am saying here...

 

[2ndAmendment]

Right, but what about the faith of the other religions? You cannot discount them...that's really what I am saying here...

As Christians, yes we can discount them; we are "bigoted" like that as I have been told, except Christians do not hate non-Christians. There is only one God and Jesus is the only path of salvation. If you are an agnostic, then you can not discount them. If you are an atheist, you have discounted them all.

 

[PsyOps]

As Christians, yes we can discount them; we are "bigoted" like that as I have been told, except Christians do not hate non-Christians. There is only one God and Jesus is the only path of salvation. If you are an agnostic, then you can not discount them. If you are an atheist, you have discounted them all.

No, you must comply. You must be tolerant and accept other religions, including the religion of no religion.

 

[2ndAmendment]

No, you must comply. You must be tolerant and accept other religions, including the religion of no religion.

Now there's a plan ... for destruction.

 

[awpitt]

Christy!!!! &nbsp;Christian and Catholic two way seperate religions. &nbsp;Yes they are based on one god, but different ways of going about it!!!!

Actually, Catholics ARE Christians. Christianity being made up of Catholicism and Protestants (i.e. Lutherans, Baptists, Methodists, Episcopalians, etc.).

 

[Bustem' Down]

Actually, Catholics ARE Christians. Christianity being made up of Catholicism and Protestants (i.e. Lutherans, Baptists, Methodists, Episcopalians, etc.).

And Mormons. Technically, Mormons are not Protestant.

 

[Dork]

Christy!!!! &nbsp;Christian and Catholic two way seperate religions. &nbsp;Yes they are based on one god, but different ways of going about it!!!!

Christians and Catholics are NOT two seperate religions. As a matter of fact, the Catholic faith was the original Christian religion. The others, referred to as Protesants (get it, Protest...ant), spun off because people didn't want to follow what the catholic faith taught. Anyway Catholics are very much Christian. If you don't undertand Catholics, I can't help you there. It's also not true that most Catholic priests are child molestors. I assure you that less than 1% of priests fall in this category. It's true that these perverts are attracted to the position but it's not true that many are perverts.

It's just like anything else. The media makes it look worse. One of the leaders of the ACLU was arrested for kiddie porn. Did you hear much about that? Don't believe everything you see and hear in the media.

 

[PsyOps]

Christians and Catholics are NOT two seperate religions. As a matter of fact, the Catholic faith was the original Christian religion.

That's not true. The first Christian religion was called the Way. You'll find it in Acts.

 

[SamSpade]

Christians and Catholics are NOT two seperate religions. As a matter of fact, the Catholic faith was the original Christian religion. The others, referred to as Protesants (get it, Protest...ant), spun off because people didn't want to follow what the catholic faith taught..

Or it was the Catholics who persisted in heresy and the others continued in the true faith. The Catholic church was not the "original" church. Most of what resembles Catholicism today didn't come into being until centuries later.

Most of what I read, it is the Orthodox Church that MOST resembles early Christianity. They split from the West (read: NOT Catholics) and have retained more of the earliest traditions.